GEP 2012 - Screening & Selection

[iRabbit]

Ragamuffin shinobi:

FQW:

[quote=\"cwcyenk\"]
I am not saying that going for GEP prep courses is cheating. But at the end of the day, aren't you just deceiving yourself?

What about pple who buy GEP assessment books [from Popular] and train their kids themselves. Do you consider them as deceiving themselves as well?

They sell such books? Didn't know that...then why have we been asking what kind of questions and training etc?[/quote]Yup they do; and judging from the prime location in the store they're being displayed, looks like fast movers too. Just wondering would the buyers of such books be considered as 'deceiving' themselves too?

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DS’s easiest to hardest is

GA2, GA1, English, Maths

[NotKiasu]

Nebbermind:

Actually it's not about the raw score but how your kid will fair against the rest.


So just sit back and wait for the release of result lor.

cwcyenk:

GEP and PSLE (or exams) are two totally different things. A kid can score well in exams if you just let him/her do thousands of assessment books. In Singapore, paper qualifications are good. That is why many people will go down this route and there is nothing wrong with it. Doing well in exams is important for all students in Singapore, be it in primary or in university.

However, to be gifted is something different. You cannot simply force someone to be gifted. Which is why the GEP screening test is open to all P3 students. It doesn't matter whether a kid did well in the exams or not. Exams alone cannot identify the gifted ones.

I am not saying that going for GEP prep courses is cheating. But at the end of the day, aren't you just deceiving yourself?

Assume the 1% is 500 students, and you know your child is around 450th position. And you know a lot of parents prep their child for GEP. What will you do?

My DS1's Kindergarten principle keep remind us to send him for GEP prep class as she has identified him as gifted at end of K1. Her reason being not to let him be at a disadvantage ground.

In the end, we still did not send him for any prep class, want him know he get in by his own merit. Assume he is selected.

[iRabbit]

NotKiasu:

My DS1's Kindergarten principle keep remind us to send him for GEP prep class as she has identified him as gifted at end of K1. Her reason being not to let him be at a disadvantage ground.

In the end, we still did not send him for any prep class, want him know he get in by his own merit. Assume he is selected.

Hypothetically speaking, if your ds didn't get in and you realised that your friend's ds - though not as gifted as your ds - got in and he went for prep class, will you be sore about it?

[NotKiasu]

FQW:

NotKiasu:

My DS1's Kindergarten principle keep remind us to send him for GEP prep class as she has identified him as gifted at end of K1. Her reason being not to let him be at a disadvantage ground.

In the end, we still did not send him for any prep class, want him know he get in by his own merit. Assume he is selected.

Hypothetically speaking, if your ds didn't get in and you realised that your friend's ds - though not as gifted as your ds - got in and he went for prep class, will you be sore about it?

I have asked myself many times if this really happen, what I should react. :shock:
I have told DS1 that it is prefectly ok if he is not selected, and DS1 is not very keen to go for GEP as he does not know what to expect. But to be frank, I will feel a bit disappointed for sure. But that is live, you lost some you gain some.

[pecalis]

NotKiasu:

Assume the 1% is 500 students, and you know your child is around 450th position. And you know a lot of parents prep their child for GEP. What will you do?

My DS1's Kindergarten principle keep remind us to send him for GEP prep class as she has identified him as gifted at end of K1. Her reason being not to let him be at a disadvantage ground.

In the end, we still did not send him for any prep class, want him know he get in by his own merit. Assume he is selected.

Not sure if the story of my son will encourage you - I knew he is good at math since young - he did not attend preschool as i taught him myself - he would tell me what he wanted to learn, say addition, then move on to subtraction and multiplication and so forth. He also asked about negative numbers at 5 yo and i briefly explained to him. I've always thought he's special but not sure if gifted or just advance. I sent him for testing, partly to confirm my suspicion but this cert came in handy when we relocated and had to transfer school at the end of P2.

I let him do Math Olympiad by Terry Chew, simply becos both of us enjoyed it. So is this considered training for GEP? He did not attend any other classes except for Chinese tuition. The 3 yrs in GEP was a struggle and learning process for him. He failed (did not make the 70% mark) the 1st math test in P4 and thus, had to go for math remedial by tr and he began to think that he is also not gd at math. Of course, this mother of his firmly believe that he is very good at math still and i was proven correct when he went into the special round of NMOS without any training - even his sch tr was surprised.

The purpose of agreeing to him attend GEP was to stress him a little and to humble him and i believe, it was achieved

[3Boys]

FQW:

NotKiasu:

My DS1's Kindergarten principle keep remind us to send him for GEP prep class as she has identified him as gifted at end of K1. Her reason being not to let him be at a disadvantage ground.

In the end, we still did not send him for any prep class, want him know he get in by his own merit. Assume he is selected.

Hypothetically speaking, if your ds didn't get in and you realised that your friend's ds - though not as gifted as your ds - got in and he went for prep class, will you be sore about it?

No.

[NotKiasu]

Ragamuffin shinobi:

baobei:

[quote=\"monmon31\"]

:udawoman: :udaman:

U r v strong to resist the urge to send your kid for any lessons. All of us would hv succumbed to 'peer' pressure to a certain extent w our kiasu streak... Tats why we join the kiasuparents forum...haha

Not that I can resist, child did not do well in academic, however, have always believed that one should not depend on tuition to do well. When do we need to stop child from having tuition? Importantly is to cultivate the thinking process and learning, they need to enjoy their childhood. What happens when you drill a child? Will child be able to response well when she come across a problem that she has never encountered? Will she know what to do? If the tuition centre focus on child to remember the steps instead of guiding her or reasoning wih her why the steps need to be done, I do not see any advantage except in term of academic grades.

Why do you say that tuition centres focus only on the child remembering the steps and not guiding them? Are ALL tuition centres like that or are you over generalising?
I don't think we should depend on tuition or deprive our children of their childhood but sometimes, we are not the best in coaching our kids. I couldn't help my kid in science so I sent her for class. She learnt the logic behind the lesson a lot easier and faster than I could read/understand and explain to her.
Just my two cents worth here.[/quote]Tuition itself has no right or wrong, but your motive do. If our kids are doing 80-90 marks already (think most our kids going for round 2 GEP have no problem), yet you send the kid for tuition to achieve perfect score. This I do not agree.

If a kid is always at borderline, by sending for tuition he score 60-70. Will you? I will!

[iRabbit]

NotKiasu:

I have asked myself many times if this really happen, what I should react. :shock:
I have told DS1 that it is prefectly ok if he is not selected, and DS1 is not very keen to go for GEP as he does not know what to expect. But to be frank, I will feel a bit disappointed for sure. But that is live, you lost some you gain some.

From the statement in red above, I can tell your nick suits you very well.

[NotKiasu]

pecalis:

NotKiasu:

Assume the 1% is 500 students, and you know your child is around 450th position. And you know a lot of parents prep their child for GEP. What will you do?

My DS1's Kindergarten principle keep remind us to send him for GEP prep class as she has identified him as gifted at end of K1. Her reason being not to let him be at a disadvantage ground.

In the end, we still did not send him for any prep class, want him know he get in by his own merit. Assume he is selected.

Not sure if the story of my son will encourage you - I knew he is good at math since young - he did not attend preschool as i taught him myself - he would tell me what he wanted to learn, say addition, then move on to subtraction and multiplication and so forth. He also asked about negative numbers at 5 yo and i briefly explained to him. I've always thought he's special but not sure if gifted or just advance. I sent him for testing, partly to confirm my suspicion but this cert came in handy when we relocated and had to transfer school at the end of P2.

I let him do Math Olympiad by Terry Chew, simply becos both of us enjoyed it. So is this considered training for GEP? He did not attend any other classes except for Chinese tuition. The 3 yrs in GEP was a struggle and learning process for him. He failed (did not make the 70% mark) the 1st math test in P4 and thus, had to go for math remedial by tr and he began to think that he is also not gd at math. Of course, this mother of his firmly believe that he is very good at math still and i was proven correct when he went into the special round of NMOS without any training - even his sch tr was surprised.

The purpose of agreeing to him attend GEP was to stress him a little and to humble him and i believe, it was achieved

Hi pecalis, thanks for your sharing.
I know there are other more important things in life. Knowing my DS is good academically, I have been trying not to be so kiasu, telling myself and DS to focus more on character building.