Different religion
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Ichigokun:
I won't say that there's disrespect here. It's different perspective. The Catholic believe that if they go through Mary they'll get prayers answered cos being the mother of Jesus, she'll be able to help 'talk' to Jesus (He'll give his mother face mah). Hope I got this right. :siam: But protestants believe that she is only an ordinary human being just like us except that she was used by God to carry Jesus to term. God can use another virgin if Mary is not obedient. We respect her but can't worship her as we worship God. Moreover, she's dead as other saints so where got power? Am trying to explain so pls don't :spank: :spank: :spank: :xedfingers:
That's ironic. Don't Christians love Jesus? Then why be disrespectful to his mom? I mean, that's super contradictive..cherrygal:
Those Christians are over zealous fanatics. I have had such pple, including an ex boss coming to me to \"convert\" me from my religion too. And when I tell them I am a Catholic, lo and behold, the attack gets worse. They start challenging my knowledge of the bible and speak disrespectfully about Mother Mary, the mother of Jesus. I really hate to get into an argument with them. Feel like asking them, would you be so disrespectful to your own mother? We love Mary because she is Jesus' mom!
As for that ex-boss, I just told him to stop the conversation, he can pretend to win the argument if he wants to. Some tote the bible but yet can act like a total idiot at work. Not true Christians, if you ask me. -
@tutormom
But if Jesus was born via Mary’s womb doesn’t that make him have Mary’s blood too? Still contradictive. It’s like they like Jesus but not Mary when Jesus is part-Mary.
And we can worship a lot of people what. Look at Hinduism. So many people worship all the Hindu gods Krishna, Shiva etc.
Anyway, ur a Christian right? No wonder you defend for your own religious family XD
Actually there’s one thing I’m really puzzled about. Islam and Christianity both branch out from Judaism.
In both the bible and Quran, the holy scripture of Islam, they have similar stories and they worship only one god.
However, in the Quran, it states that humans should not consume pork. But in the bible, there’s no such mention and Christians continue eating pork.
Logically, for example, in India, cows are holy animals and should not be eaten. Hinduism is an Indian religion and so is Buddhism. Thus, both religious groups are banned from eating beef (partially of either groups) -
Ichigokun:
It'll take 3 days and 3 nights to answer all your questions in your post and what I've to say may offend people here so :censored: :censored: All I can say is the first of God's 10 commandments given is \"Thou shalt have no other God before me.\" and Jesus also said \"You shall love your God with all your heart......this is the first commandment.\" Therefore, worshipping any other people or thing is wrong cos God is a jealous God.@tutormom
But if Jesus was born via Mary's womb doesn't that make him have Mary's blood too? Still contradictive. It's like they like Jesus but not Mary when Jesus is part-Mary.
And we can worship a lot of people what. Look at Hinduism. So many people worship all the Hindu gods Krishna, Shiva etc.
Anyway, ur a Christian right? No wonder you defend for your own religious family XD
Actually there's one thing I'm really puzzled about. Islam and Christianity both branch out from Judaism.
In both the bible and Quran, the holy scripture of Islam, they have similar stories and they worship only one god.
However, in the Quran, it states that humans should not consume pork. But in the bible, there's no such mention and Christians continue eating pork.
Logically, for example, in India, cows are holy animals and should not be eaten. Hinduism is an Indian religion and so is Buddhism. Thus, both religious groups are banned from eating beef (partially of either groups)
\"Exodus 20 : 3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.\"
The Jews were God's chosen people not cos they're special. They are chosen to be an example to the world - to show the world that there is a God and who He is. Laws were given to them and eating of forbidden animals were on the list. People who are not Jews are known as Gentiles in the bible. They didn't observe the Laws cos they didn't know the Laws as it was not given to them. It was after Jesus was crucified that the gospel was also given to the Gentiles. That explains why Christians don't abstain from eating pork etc. However, there are many Christians who choose to observe this practice and refrain from eating pork. It is also proven scientifically that pork contains certain germs that cannot be killed through high temperature and eating pork is harmful to the body. This proves that God is right about setting down this law.
\"Leviticus 11 : 1 Now the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying, ‘These are the animals which you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth: 3 Among the animals, whatever divides the hoof, having cloven hooves and chewing the cud—that you may eat. 4 Nevertheless these you shall not eat among those that chew the cud or those that have cloven hooves: the camel, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 5 the rock hyrax, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 6 the hare, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 7 and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. 8 Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. They are unclean to you.\"
I suggest that you read the bible and get a Christian leader to explain to you if you are really interested to know more.
Maybe you can google to find out more about Catholicism, Judism, Islam etc to get an insight of the various religions instead of believing heresay.
Reading about other religions will give you a better understanding and it doesn't mean that you have to follow that religion. -
Oh I actually heard about this before regarding Pork has germs that cannot be killed despite cooking. Not sure how true this is because till today haven’t heard of anyone who died eating pork. I know in youtude people upload some experiment about this pork thingy.
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Yes to pork!! :evil: but on a serious note -->
[quote]At the end of Mark 7:19 most Bible translations say, \"Thus He declared all foods clean.\" So its pretty clear that Yeshua (\"Jesus\") changed the old food regulations in Leviticus 11, and its ok to eat pork, shellfish, or whatever we want[/quote]This Bible Verse from Matthew 15:11 pretty much sums it up. -->
[quote]What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'\"[/quote]It's great to be a Protestant Christian. I was a Catholic for 26 years and my girlfriend (wife) back then was a Christian and it took me at least 7 years to understand and really meditate on the Bible but now... everyday is worth it knowing our one True, Lord and Saviour... Christ. HE turned my life around. -
valvestate:
This Bible Verse from Matthew 15:11 pretty much sums it up. -->Yes to pork!! :evil: but on a serious note -->
[quote]At the end of Mark 7:19 most Bible translations say, \"Thus He declared all foods clean.\" So its pretty clear that Yeshua (\"Jesus\") changed the old food regulations in Leviticus 11, and its ok to eat pork, shellfish, or whatever we want
[quote]What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'\"[/quote]It's great to be a Protestant Christian. I was a Catholic for 26 years and my girlfriend (wife) back then was a Christian and it took me at least 7 years to understand and really meditate on the Bible but now... everyday is worth it knowing our one True, Lord and Saviour... Christ. HE turned my life around.[/quote]Jesus didn't change the food regulations. Pls read the Bible in its context. The text that you quoted was actually Jesus trying to show the Pharisees that they can try to keep all the laws and commandments but if their hearts are not pure.... :sad: they were not saved. They were even using religion as a excuse for not performing their earthly duties like filial piety. As Jesus had said that \"not all who called me Lord Lord will be saved but they that do the Will of God.\" Outward cleaning is only whitewashing of the person, not a reflection of his inward character. Jesus meant that it's pointless to go through religious rites if the person does not lead a transformed life. Just like, going to church doesn't make you a Christian.
Mark 7 v 1 Then the Pharisees and some of the scribes came together to Him, having come from Jerusalem. 2 Now when[a] they saw some of His disciples eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. 3 For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands in a special way, holding the tradition of the elders. 4 When they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other things which they have received and hold, like the washing of cups, pitchers, copper vessels, and couches.
5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?”
6 He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’[b]
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men[c] —the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”
9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’;[d] and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’[e] 11 But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, 13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”
14 When He had called all the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear Me, everyone, and understand: 15 There is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man. 16 If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear!”[f]
17 When He had entered a house away from the crowd, His disciples asked Him concerning the parable. 18 So He said to them, “Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?”[g] 20 And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”
When God has finished creating, He declared that all is good. There is nowhere in the Bible that said that God recreates. The shellfish such as clams and mussels etc are filter eaters. God's creation is good cos every living things has its purpose. The shellfish, e.g. help to clean up the environment and as filter feeders, they are filled with harmful chemicals. As such, they are considered unclean for human consumption.
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@tutormum
What’s chewing the cud? Just curious
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Ichigokun:
It means bringing the food back up from the stomach and chew again.@tutormum
What's chewing the cud? Just curious
Just to share : Perry Stone, who is a very dynamic speaker touches on many topics that are very interesting and normally not preached in church. His preaching is very easy to understand. As usual, we have to listen with discernment cos you may not be agreeable with some of his teachings.
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Am also quite curious to know… what is the link between chewing the cud (and the type of hooves of the animal) and whether the meat is considered "clean"?
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Intermezzo:
Am also quite curious to know.. what is the link between chewing the cud (and the type of hooves of the animal) and whether the meat is considered \"clean\"?
Here is excerpt from wiki
Cloven hooves in culture
[edit]Unclean animals in religion
The distinction between cloven and uncloven hooves is highly relevant for dietary laws of Judaism (Kashrut), as set forth in the Torah[8] and the Talmud.[9][10] Animals that both chew their cud (ruminate) and have cloven hooves are allowed (kosher), whereas those that have only one of these two characteristics are considered unclean animals and Jews are forbidden to eat them. This rule excludes the camel, the hyrax and the hare because they ruminate but have no cloven hooves, and the pig because it has cloven hooves but does not ruminate.[11][12]
There is no link. The 2 conditions must be met, i.e. the animal must chew the cud and have cloven hooves to be considered 'clean'. Don't ask me why cos it's God who gave the law and He didn't say why.
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