Different religion

[tutormum]

valvestate:

Yes to pork!! :evil: but on a serious note -->

[quote]At the end of Mark 7:19 most Bible translations say, \"Thus He declared all foods clean.\" So its pretty clear that Yeshua (\"Jesus\") changed the old food regulations in Leviticus 11, and its ok to eat pork, shellfish, or whatever we want

This Bible Verse from Matthew 15:11 pretty much sums it up. -->
[quote]What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'\"[/quote]It's great to be a Protestant Christian. I was a Catholic for 26 years and my girlfriend (wife) back then was a Christian and it took me at least 7 years to understand and really meditate on the Bible but now... everyday is worth it knowing our one True, Lord and Saviour... Christ. HE turned my life around.[/quote]Jesus didn't change the food regulations. Pls read the Bible in its context. The text that you quoted was actually Jesus trying to show the Pharisees that they can try to keep all the laws and commandments but if their hearts are not pure.... :sad: they were not saved. They were even using religion as a excuse for not performing their earthly duties like filial piety. As Jesus had said that \"not all who called me Lord Lord will be saved but they that do the Will of God.\" Outward cleaning is only whitewashing of the person, not a reflection of his inward character. Jesus meant that it's pointless to go through religious rites if the person does not lead a transformed life. Just like, going to church doesn't make you a Christian.

Mark 7 v 1 Then the Pharisees and some of the scribes came together to Him, having come from Jerusalem. 2 Now when[a] they saw some of His disciples eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. 3 For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands in a special way, holding the tradition of the elders. 4 When they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other things which they have received and hold, like the washing of cups, pitchers, copper vessels, and couches.

5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?”

6 He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:

‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’[b]
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men[c] —the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”

9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’;[d] and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’[e] 11 But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, 13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

14 When He had called all the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear Me, everyone, and understand: 15 There is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man. 16 If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear!”[f]

17 When He had entered a house away from the crowd, His disciples asked Him concerning the parable. 18 So He said to them, “Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?”[g] 20 And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”
When God has finished creating, He declared that all is good. There is nowhere in the Bible that said that God recreates. The shellfish such as clams and mussels etc are filter eaters. God's creation is good cos every living things has its purpose. The shellfish, e.g. help to clean up the environment and as filter feeders, they are filled with harmful chemicals. As such, they are considered unclean for human consumption.
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[Ichigokun]

@tutormum

What’s chewing the cud? Just curious

[tutormum]

Ichigokun:

@tutormum

What's chewing the cud? Just curious

It means bringing the food back up from the stomach and chew again.
Just to share : Perry Stone, who is a very dynamic speaker touches on many topics that are very interesting and normally not preached in church. His preaching is very easy to understand. As usual, we have to listen with discernment cos you may not be agreeable with some of his teachings.
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Am also quite curious to know… what is the link between chewing the cud (and the type of hooves of the animal) and whether the meat is considered "clean"?

[tutormum]

Intermezzo:

Am also quite curious to know.. what is the link between chewing the cud (and the type of hooves of the animal) and whether the meat is considered \"clean\"?

Here is excerpt from wiki

Cloven hooves in culture

[edit]Unclean animals in religion
The distinction between cloven and uncloven hooves is highly relevant for dietary laws of Judaism (Kashrut), as set forth in the Torah[8] and the Talmud.[9][10] Animals that both chew their cud (ruminate) and have cloven hooves are allowed (kosher), whereas those that have only one of these two characteristics are considered unclean animals and Jews are forbidden to eat them. This rule excludes the camel, the hyrax and the hare because they ruminate but have no cloven hooves, and the pig because it has cloven hooves but does not ruminate.[11][12]

There is no link. The 2 conditions must be met, i.e. the animal must chew the cud and have cloven hooves to be considered 'clean'. Don't ask me why cos it's God who gave the law and He didn't say why.

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thanks tutormum ~

the "why" is what i’m curious about. thought it might be a local culture / tradition, but it seems not…

[Ichigokun]

So all of us have been sinning (eating pork) all this while without knowing it XD

[Liz_Ryan]

dragonflysg:

Andaiz:

[quote=\"MLR\"]Same goes for our Muslim friends.

I've friends in the situation i.e., bf Muslim and gal's not. Right now fighting a battle as to whether she'd convert or not. Anyone knows what the repercussions are for her not converting? Does that mean they cannot marry?

Thanks.

Quran 2:256
There shall be no compulsion in religion.[/quote]Hi Dragonfly,

Yes, you’ve quoted the Quran, but still it did not answer Andaiz’s question.

Muslim & Non-Muslim, can they marry?

No, they can’t!

Religion is a very personal thing, and it is something that can never, and should never be compromised.

Of course, we have to respect all religions, that was even taught by the Prophet.

However, if one is born a Muslim, and brought up as a Muslim (at least have the basic foundation of a Muslim), he or she should know better than to marry someone of another religion.

[kooky83]

Liz_Ryan:

Hi Dragonfly,

Yes, you’ve quoted the Quran, but still it did not answer Andaiz’s question.

Muslim & Non-Muslim, can they marry?

No, they can’t!

Religion is a very personal thing, and it is something that can never, and should never be compromised.

Of course, we have to respect all religions, that was even taught by the Prophet.

However, if one is born a Muslim, and brought up as a Muslim (at least have the basic foundation of a Muslim), he or she should know better than to marry someone of another religion.

That is true as well for most Abrahamic religions. Not sure about Buddhism or Taoism though.