Population woes
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Thanks for sharing. Very interesting, humanity vs economic…
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Thanks, limlim…
Paul Chan’s hypothesis is rather notable. -
The roads are already congested as they are during the peak hours, yet more than 5 clusters of condos are coming up e.g. along the stretch leading to Parkway Parade and at the Sengkang entrance of KPE. I really worry that it’ll be far too congested everywhere and things will become too intolerable…
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limlim:
[/quote]This is a very beguiling question. But I would like to phrase it more pragmatically.share some good letters in ST Forum
[quote]Instead of presuming that the population must increase to sustain the economy, can we also consider alternative economic models that suit a lower, more comfortable population density?
Osman Sidek
On a micro-economic level, what are the people advocating this themselves prepared to give up for a lower level of economic activity and a lower population density?
Are they willing to:
(1) Eat less outside and cook more at home so that there will be less reliance on foreign service workers;
(2) Do more things DIY so that there will less reliance on foreign plumbers, electricians, carpenters etc;
(3) Pay more when they do eat outside so that more locals can be employed in the service line;
(4) Pay more for public transport or wait longer for the next bus/train so we can cut down on foreign drivers;
(5) Wait longer for HDB BTOs as we allow in fewer construction workers;
(6) Pay more for FDWs so that there is less demand for domestic workers;
(7) Wait longer and pay more for medical care so that we can reduce the number of foreign nurses and doctors; or
(8) Accept a lower pay as more companies relocate out of Singapore while at the same time pay more for basic services (which is likely unless they happen to be blue collar workers providing these services)?
Even if money grows on trees, you still have to climb up the tree to pluck it. -
pirate:
This is a very beguiling question. But I would like to phrase it more pragmatically.
On a micro-economic level, what are the people advocating this themselves prepared to give up for a lower level of economic activity and a lower population density?
Are they willing to:
(1) Eat less outside and cook more at home so that there will be less reliance on foreign service workers;
(2) Do more things DIY so that there will less reliance on foreign plumbers, electricians, carpenters etc;
(3) Pay more when they do eat outside so that more locals can be employed in the service line;
(4) Pay more for public transport or wait longer for the next bus/train so we can cut down on foreign drivers;
(5) Wait longer for HDB BTOs as we allow in fewer construction workers;
(6) Pay more for FDWs so that there is less demand for domestic workers;
(7) Wait longer and pay more for medical care so that we can reduce the number of foreign nurses and doctors; or
(8) Accept a lower pay as more companies relocate out of Singapore while at the same time pay more for basic services (which is likely unless they happen to be blue collar workers providing these services)?
Even if money grows on trees, you still have to climb up the tree to pluck it.
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http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20121009-376388.html
[quote]Minister for Foreign Affairs and Law K. Shanmugam called Ms Cheong's comments \"shameful\". He said the incident confirmed what he had long suspected and had said before, that there are \"deep fault lines in our society\" based on race and religion.[/quote] -
limlim:
[/quote]http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20121009-376388.html
[quote]Minister for Foreign Affairs and Law K. Shanmugam called Ms Cheong's comments \"shameful\". He said the incident confirmed what he had long suspected and had said before, that there are \"deep fault lines in our society\" based on race and religion.
There is no Shangri-La...... as it is now, it's as good as we could get... -
No fault lines? That would never happened in mankind society… since the beginning of civilization…
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pirate:
This is a very beguiling question. But I would like to phrase it more pragmatically.limlim:
share some good letters in ST Forum
[quote]Instead of presuming that the population must increase to sustain the economy, can we also consider alternative economic models that suit a lower, more comfortable population density?
Osman Sidek
On a micro-economic level, what are the people advocating this themselves prepared to give up for a lower level of economic activity and a lower population density?
Are they willing to:
(1) Eat less outside and cook more at home so that there will be less reliance on foreign service workers;
(2) Do more things DIY so that there will less reliance on foreign plumbers, electricians, carpenters etc;
(3) Pay more when they do eat outside so that more locals can be employed in the service line;
(4) Pay more for public transport or wait longer for the next bus/train so we can cut down on foreign drivers;
(5) Wait longer for HDB BTOs as we allow in fewer construction workers;
(6) Pay more for FDWs so that there is less demand for domestic workers;
(7) Wait longer and pay more for medical care so that we can reduce the number of foreign nurses and doctors; or
(8) Accept a lower pay as more companies relocate out of Singapore while at the same time pay more for basic services (which is likely unless they happen to be blue collar workers providing these services)?
Even if money grows on trees, you still have to climb up the tree to pluck it.[/quote]You totally missed the BIG picture..
Why do we need some many providers? Because of the increase in demand. Why the increase in demand? becasue of the influx of FTs!
Anyway, for many years Singapore have been relying on FW.. I feel there is no issue with FW.. we need them to fill the void that locals doesn't want to do.
The problem is the recent influx of FTs, PMETs, competing with locals for many things.
FTs contribute to demand for service at restaurants, transport, HDB flats, queue at clinics, handyman services, FDW etc.. NOT the FWs.
With less \"FT\", there will be less competitions.. And less overcrowding.
Don't mixed up the two. One is a necessity.. The other? creating business for rich businessman and lower operating cost for rich bosses.
It's the peasants who will suffer. -
I am not prepared to dismiss the need for foreign workers… (service, construction etc…)
But I believe we can do away with majority of the EP and FTs.
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