Nanyang Primary

[Freshmint]

BigDevil:

NY takes in about 4 classes worth of GEP students. These students are allocated into 6 classes, each class having a mix of GEP and non-GEP students in the ratio of 17:10 (approx).

When it is time for lessons for GEP subjects (Eng, MA, Sc, SS), the 3 classes of non-GEP students will combine into 1 class for the lesson, while the GEP students will combine into 2 classes to have their lesson.

meta students are taking GEP subjects? From the ratio of 17:10, there will be approx 30 non-gep students taking GEP subjects? But approx 50 geppers in 1 class for GEP subjects?

Very confusing... Is GEP in NYPS for nyps meta students or moe-identified-gep students?

[BigDevil]

According to Mrs Lee, NYPS had been running META for 2 years. Meaning last year was the first year they are doing it. This intermingling of GEP and non-GEP students are not initiated by NYPS, but from MOE: http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/parliamentary-replies/2009/09/gifted-education-programme-int.php

Dnls_mum:

Is this new? When was it implemented? My DS finish P5 in NYPS last year. He was in GEP and there were 4 specific classes for GEP students and only intermingle for CL, I think.

Since the programme first started last year, it might have applied only to last year's P4 geppers. That could be why your P5 gepper is still in a class specifically for geppers only.

Freshmint:

Indeed, this is really strange. All geppers are combined into 2 classes? which means 50 students in one class? Isn't this worse off than mainstream?

Oh boy....this is a bit hard to explain.
There are 6 META classes of mixed GEP and non-GEP students (I don't call them META students because META is a programme, and since the geppers are also in this programme, they are also...META students

Now these 6 classes are grouped into 2 groups of 3 classes.

Taking one group for example, when it is time for GEP subject lessons, the non-GEP students will come together to form one class (10 x 3 = 30 students), whereas the geppers (17 x 3 = 51 studednts) will form 2 classes (ie. 25 or 26 students). The same happens for the other group of 3 META classes. Clear now? :xedfingers:

Also, the school explained that all META classes take GEP CL because the geppers do not necessarily have advantage over non-geppers in the study of CL. So that is the only academic subject they take together.

Now all these are my understanding from the META briefing (yes, my DD is one of the 2-5%). If I somehow misunderstood, please don't :pokeeye: :torchme: :spank: :heresmyfish:

[Freshmint]

BigDevil:

According to Mrs Lee, NYPS had been running META for 2 years. Meaning last year was the first year they are doing it. This intermingling of GEP and non-GEP students are not initiated by NYPS, but from MOE: http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/parliamentary-replies/2009/09/gifted-education-programme-int.php

This is similar in HPPS too. The intermingling is only for non core-subjects, including cl (not sure how they select students for cl). HPPS geppers still retain their own classes. Am surprised that nyps is scrapping this (or has it already been scraped?).

[quote]Oh boy....this is a bit hard to explain.
There are 6 META classes of mixed GEP and non-GEP students (I don't call them META students because META is a programme, and since the geppers are also in this programme, they are also...META students [/quote]This is debatable. By saying geppers are in the META programme is confusing. Are nyps geppers taking the nyps in-house meta programme or moe-gep programme? Geppers chose nyps because of the gep programme not meta programme. [quote]Now these 6 classes are grouped into 2 groups of 3 classes.

Taking one group for example, when it is time for GEP subject lessons, the non-GEP students will come together to form one class (10 x 3 = 30 students), whereas the geppers (17 x 3 = 51 studednts) will form 2 classes (ie. 25 or 26 students). The same happens for the other group of 3 META classes. Clear now? :xedfingers: [/quote]This is clearer now. But the meta/non-gep students are also taking GEP subjects? Please clarify. TIA.
[quote]Also, the school explained that all META classes take GEP CL because the geppers do not necessarily have advantage over non-geppers in the study of CL. So that is the only academic subject they take together.[/quote]Do they take the same GEP CL paper from MOE too?

Not poking, but clarfications are needed. No gep parents would want to find their kids in a class of 50 taking school-based programme, right?

And if indeed META/non-gep students are taking the GEP subjects too (as stated in your post earlier), then more parents will be fighting to get their children into nyps. In addition, it is very unfair to those top 2-5% who are not in nyps.

[jtoh]

Basically, NYPS traditionally has 4 GEP classes and 2 HA classes. These 6 classes are now mixed together to allow for the GEP and META students to mingle with each other. The GEP students are pulled out for core GEP subjects such as English, Math and Science.

[Wintersoul15]

S-formation: ( if I am not wrong, is like this) the school system rank all P2 pupils from first to last. Then " take out" top 160, according to internal criteria. Some schools use only English n math for streaming, mother tongue planned another way bc of teachers allocation. Some schools use all 3 subjects, (nanyang uses all 3, since MT is only Chinese). Then top pupil goes to first class, second pupil goes to second class… So in this case, the 5th pupil will join first class, 6th pupil second class…until 160. Which is why all teachers in the level must sit together, bc pupils are all " mixed up" n needs time to prepare new name list. This requires a lot of time.

[hamster]

Wintersoul15:

S-formation: ( if I am not wrong, is like this) the school system rank all P2 pupils from first to last. Then \" take out\" top 160, according to internal criteria. Some schools use only English n math for streaming, mother tongue planned another way bc of teachers allocation. Some schools use all 3 subjects, (nanyang uses all 3, since MT is only Chinese). Then top pupil goes to first class, second pupil goes to second class.... So in this case, the 5th pupil will join first class, 6th pupil second class...until 160. Which is why all teachers in the level must sit together, bc pupils are all \" mixed up\" n needs time to prepare new name list. This requires a lot of time.

Hello, I have PM you.

[Dnls_mum]

Thanks for clarifications. My DS finish P6 last year, not P5. Problem with typo since posting fm iPhone…hehe

[hmsg]

Let me have a shot at explaining the P5 (2012) batch. Total 14 classes = (4 GEP classes + 2 META classes) + [4 HA classes + 4 MA classes]. Note the ( ) and [ ].


META classes are Pri 5I and 5J. GEP classes are Pri 5K,L,M,N. This is called also known as "Expert classes" grouping because the EL, M, Sci syllabus is different for GEP (+SS) & META. Therefore, "Expert". The high achiever awards are also based on the scored in these classes.

For all other classes (HCL, Art, excursion, music, etc), these 6 classes are mixed into "Home" classes… I think into Pri 5 Respect, Resilience, etc… The ratio of GEP to META per class have already been covered earlier by other parents.

Come Pri 6, The GEP & META students may not be en-bloc, there may still be minor rotations within KLMN (for gep) and IJ (for META) - aka expert classes. Similarly, the students in their home class (resilience, respect, etc) may also be adjusted. I believe this will be to group the students in those stronger in languages and M/Sci so that it will be easier to focus on their relative weakness for targeted improvement.

Promotion for mainstream P5 is enbloc.

Hope this will provide some clarity.

[Dnls_mum]

Can I seek advice where I should put the name tag for the girl’s uniform? On top of the words "南洋"?


Just want to make sure for the girl since previous kid in the school is a boy. Thanks.

[Freshmint]

Explanation is crystal clear. Thank you.

hmsg:

Let me have a shot at explaining the P5 (2012) batch. Total 14 classes = (4 GEP classes + 2 META classes) + [4 HA classes + 4 MA classes]. Note the ( ) and [ ].

META classes are Pri 5I and 5J. GEP classes are Pri 5K,L,M,N. This is called also known as \"Expert classes\" grouping because the EL, M, Sci syllabus is different for GEP (+SS) & META. Therefore, \"Expert\". The high achiever awards are also based on the scored in these classes.

For all other classes (HCL, Art, excursion, music, etc), these 6 classes are mixed into \"Home\" classes.. I think into Pri 5 Respect, Resilience, etc... The ratio of GEP to META per class have already been covered earlier by other parents.

Come Pri 6, The GEP & META students may not be en-bloc, there may still be minor rotations within KLMN (for gep) and IJ (for META) - aka expert classes. Similarly, the students in their home class (resilience, respect, etc) may also be adjusted. I believe this will be to group the students in those stronger in languages and M/Sci so that it will be easier to focus on their relative weakness for targeted improvement.

Promotion for mainstream P5 is enbloc.

Hope this will provide some clarity.