one mark difference !
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LTQ:
There are students with high T-scores who choose not to go to IP schools or other top schools. If you read the straits times today, it highlighted a few such students. The reason given by one was that he felt that the O level route was more structured and less stressful. Another felt that it was her intention to go Poly anyway, so there was no need to go JC.In the black handbook, there are lowest points (COP) and highest points for each school. Though these highest points have no meaning for posting reference, I still wonder what exactly these highest points are.
If they are the highest T-score of a child in that school, then it's quite difficult to explain why got 267 at Chestnut Drive SC last year based on merit over choice system. With 267 he/she could get in any school, why? -
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lotus123:
my niece obtained 240 and she wanted to go to Cedar although the COP for cedar was 243 . her 2nd choice was TKGS and 3rd choice was Temasek Sec. my niece didn't get Cedar of course but she didn't get TKGS though COP for latter was around 234. she got her 3rd choice. if computer allocates schools by merit only and not mumber placement of choices , my niece should have got TKGS. so she had to appeal to TKGS and luckily her appeal was successful. If my niece had only selected TKGS as her 1st choice, she would have got it.
When was this? Did she clarify with MOE or the school why this happened? The info provided by MOE does not support this analysis.
my niece did her psle in the year 2005. Perhaps MOE has revamped their system since then. I checked MOE's website yesterday and it's clearly illustrated in the softcopy of the bklet that it's by merit and then choices. Thus you guys are right . But my niece's predicament in 2005 was not imaginary. it was real and she still talks about it. -
LTQ:
The highest Tscores students chose these schools over the others. For example a boy who scored 270 may choose bukit panjang secondary over RI. He may also be the highest scorer to enter bukit panjang secondary which will be reflected on the handbookIn the black handbook, there are lowest points (COP) and highest points for each school. Though these highest points have no meaning for posting reference, I still wonder what exactly these highest points are.
If they are the highest T-score of a child in that school, then it's quite difficult to explain why got 267 at Chestnut Drive SC last year based on merit over choice system. With 267 he/she could get in any school, why? -
lotus123:
but you must be willing to take a risk. make sure your other choices are carefully selected also. if you don't get the 1st choice school as computer selects students with higher COP and by the time it comes to your daughter if there are vacancies your gal will be selected . re your gal's 2nd choice, the computer will give priority to students who have selected your 2nd choice sch as their 1st choice provided of course they meet the COP and your gal will be selected only after the eligible students with this sch as 1st choice are selected . thus, sometimes you may not get your 1st or 2nd choice school because of this though your gal is eligible to get the 2nd choice sch. however, I have seen alot of students who get their 1st or 2nd choice school by appealing . one gal got TKGS after appealing and another has got Anglican High thru appealing. the former had a higher T-score than TKGS's COP but unfortunately her 1st choice had a COP a few points higher than her T-score. as for the latter Anglican high had a COP higher than her T-score but managed to get at appeal as maybe the school had vacancies when their students got other schools thru. appeal . these are things that no one can predict .
lotus123:
my niece obtained 240 and she wanted to go to Cedar although the COP for cedar was 243 . her 2nd choice was TKGS and 3rd choice was Temasek Sec. my niece didn't get Cedar of course but she didn't get TKGS though COP for latter was around 234. she got her 3rd choice. if computer allocates schools by merit only and not mumber placement of choices , my niece should have got TKGS. so she had to appeal to TKGS and luckily her appeal was successful. If my niece had only selected TKGS as her 1st choice, she would have got it.[/quote]Regarding yr niece's case i cant comment further as i do not have details or have seen the application form....
Yes, the above information is very wrong.....Augmum:
[quote=\"Dreamgear\"]This information is wrong. Allocation will be to the higher points regardless of position of choices.
NO priority will be given to pupils who have indicated yr second choice school as 1 st choice.
Allocation of schools is all by merit, the one who has the higher agg score will get to be filled first followed by the next pupil.
Of coz, if yr 1 st choice already met the COP of the sch,
then the system will not go to look at yr sec choice sch, even if u qualify for the sec choice sch.
But regarding how Moe comp system works with S1 posting,
it is very clearly explained and illustrated in Moe website and its handbook....
No doubts abt it..... -
LTQ:
Why not ??In the black handbook, there are lowest points (COP) and highest points for each school. Though these highest points have no meaning for posting reference, I still wonder what exactly these highest points are.
If they are the highest T-score of a child in that school, then it's quite difficult to explain why got 267 at Chestnut Drive SC last year based on merit over choice system. With 267 he/she could get in any school, why?
I saw a 282 pupil in my gal's handbook who had chosen DHS......
if according to yr reasoning, he or she shd have chosen RI or RGS....
not everyone 's ideal or Top school has the same definition.... -
to augmum re my niece’s case- my niece’s experience occurred in 2005. maybe the MOE system wasn’t working as expected then. you sound like a MOE spokesperson . computer systems are not perfect. they err and they have glitches too. I do believe the system is by merits and then by choices. but that doesn’t eliminate my niece’s bad experience in 2005. actually for the sake of the kids I sincerely hope the MOE school allocation computer system works perfectly well currently as I wouldn’t want any kid to go thru what my niece went thru in 2005. one request to augmum-- you wouldn’t understand other people’s problems unless you are in their shoes. thus, do not dismiss other people’s problems like they didn’t happen or doesn’t matter. anyway, I was just sharing my niece’s experience and I didn’t want to hear your smarty pants comments. don’t be so callous. It’s very annoying.
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lotus123:
to augmum re my niece's case- my niece's experience occurred in 2005. maybe the MOE system wasn't working as expected then. you sound like a MOE spokesperson . computer systems are not perfect. they err and they have glitches too. I do believe the system is by merits and then by choices. but that doesn't eliminate my niece's bad experience in 2005. actually for the sake of the kids I sincerely hope the MOE school allocation computer system works perfectly well currently as I wouldn't want any kid to go thru what my niece went thru in 2005. one request to augmum-- you wouldn't understand other people's problems unless you are in their shoes. thus, do not dismiss other people's problems like they didn't happen or doesn't matter. anyway, I was just sharing my niece's experience and I didn't want to hear your smarty pants comments. don't be so callous. It's very annoying.
To lotus123
What u have posted here regarding S1 posting is indeed misleading....
Look at the postings of others who had replied to u and also the number of same replies posted in various threads in this forum....
The allocation of placements in sec schools is strictly BY MERITS and NOT what u have said , by choices of the ranking.....
This is indeed well illustrated in MOE handbook, dont need any MOE spokesman to endorse it...
I already said that regarding yr niece's case, i cant comment further without much details .....
did i say that i dismiss yr niece's problem..or it doesnt matter ??Augmum:
Yes, the above information is very wrong.....
This information is wrong. Allocation will be to the higher points regardless of position of choices.Dreamgear:
[quote=\"lotus123\"]but you must be willing to take a risk. make sure your other choices are carefully selected also. if you don't get the 1st choice school as computer selects students with higher COP and by the time it comes to your daughter if there are vacancies your gal will be selected . re your gal's 2nd choice, the computer will give priority to students who have selected your 2nd choice sch as their 1st choice provided of course they meet the COP and your gal will be selected only after the eligible students with this sch as 1st choice are selected . thus, sometimes you may not get your 1st or 2nd choice school because of this though your gal is eligible to get the 2nd choice sch. however, I have seen alot of students who get their 1st or 2nd choice school by appealing . one gal got TKGS after appealing and another has got Anglican High thru appealing. the former had a higher T-score than TKGS's COP but unfortunately her 1st choice had a COP a few points higher than her T-score. as for the latter Anglican high had a COP higher than her T-score but managed to get at appeal as maybe the school had vacancies when their students got other schools thru. appeal . these are things that no one can predict .
NO priority will be given to pupils who have indicated yr second choice school as 1 st choice.
Allocation of schools is all by merit, the one who has the higher agg score will get to be filled first followed by the next pupil.
Of coz, if yr 1 st choice already met the COP of the sch,
then the system will not go to look at yr sec choice sch, even if u qualify for the sec choice sch.[/quote] -
lotus123:
to augmum re my niece's case- my niece's experience occurred in 2005. maybe the MOE system wasn't working as expected then. you sound like a MOE spokesperson . computer systems are not perfect. they err and they have glitches too. I do believe the system is by merits and then by choices. but that doesn't eliminate my niece's bad experience in 2005. actually for the sake of the kids I sincerely hope the MOE school allocation computer system works perfectly well currently as I wouldn't want any kid to go thru what my niece went thru in 2005. one request to augmum-- you wouldn't understand other people's problems unless you are in their shoes. thus, do not dismiss other people's problems like they didn't happen or doesn't matter. anyway, I was just sharing my niece's experience and I didn't want to hear your smarty pants comments. don't be so callous. It's very annoying.
Is this callous remarks necessary? It's very annoying! :yikes: -
Twinkies:
When i posted facts, he or she said that i am very annoying, so is it means that we better not post facts ??lotus123:
to augmum re my niece's case- my niece's experience occurred in 2005. maybe the MOE system wasn't working as expected then. you sound like a MOE spokesperson . computer systems are not perfect. they err and they have glitches too. I do believe the system is by merits and then by choices. but that doesn't eliminate my niece's bad experience in 2005. actually for the sake of the kids I sincerely hope the MOE school allocation computer system works perfectly well currently as I wouldn't want any kid to go thru what my niece went thru in 2005. one request to augmum-- you wouldn't understand other people's problems unless you are in their shoes. thus, do not dismiss other people's problems like they didn't happen or doesn't matter. anyway, I was just sharing my niece's experience and I didn't want to hear your smarty pants comments. don't be so callous. It's very annoying.
Is this callous remarks necessary? It's very annoying! :yikes:
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Augmum:
When i posted facts, he or she said that i am very annoying, so is it means that we shdnt post facts ??Twinkies:
[quote=\"lotus123\"]to augmum re my niece's case- my niece's experience occurred in 2005. maybe the MOE system wasn't working as expected then. you sound like a MOE spokesperson . computer systems are not perfect. they err and they have glitches too. I do believe the system is by merits and then by choices. but that doesn't eliminate my niece's bad experience in 2005. actually for the sake of the kids I sincerely hope the MOE school allocation computer system works perfectly well currently as I wouldn't want any kid to go thru what my niece went thru in 2005. one request to augmum-- you wouldn't understand other people's problems unless you are in their shoes. thus, do not dismiss other people's problems like they didn't happen or doesn't matter. anyway, I was just sharing my niece's experience and I didn't want to hear your smarty pants comments. don't be so callous. It's very annoying.
Is this callous remarks necessary? It's very annoying! :yikes:[/quote]Hi, Augmum, we need people like you who is willing to share, not the naysayer nor the bullies with foulness.
Best Wishes. :celebrate:
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