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sunflower:
I wasn't saying that the mechanism is the same. It's easy to identify intervals with perfect pitch if you have good grasp of theory. However for a 4-5 yo child with less than grade 3 theory, it may not be that easy to identify the interval between, say Eb and C. Even with the theory knowledge, it may involve a bit of counting before the child identifies the interval. But, one who recognizes the 6th interval (relative pitch), will be able to tell at once.
Well, I’m not sure whether you really understood. It’s easy to identify intervals just by hearing if you already have perfect pitch, no need the “help” of relative pitch. It’s quite complex to explain in writing how it works.
I have friends with perfect pitch and others with very good relative pitch, and from what they described, the mechanisms they employ when hearing music are really very different.
What I am trying to say is, there are certain things that are more efficiently handled by relative pitch rather than perfect pitch. Hence there is value for a child with perfect pitch to be trained in relative pitching. Of course it is not a necessity, but it's good to have.
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waiyean:
Seriously, I do not know how a child’s brain works and how a child understands and associates sounds. I guess at this young age, the association between hearing and understanding of what those sounds mean is still developing. I don’t have perfect pitch neither do I have very good relative pitch, however, I still can identify intervals and chords pretty well.
I wasn't saying that the mechanism is the same. It's easy to identify intervals with perfect pitch if you have good grasp of theory. However for a 4-5 yo child with less than grade 3 theory, it may not be that easy to identify the interval between, say Eb and C. Even with the theory knowledge, it may involve a bit of counting before the child identifies the interval. But, one who recognizes the 6th interval (relative pitch), will be able to tell at once.sunflower:
Well, I’m not sure whether you really understood. It’s easy to identify intervals just by hearing if you already have perfect pitch, no need the “help” of relative pitch. It’s quite complex to explain in writing how it works.
I have friends with perfect pitch and others with very good relative pitch, and from what they described, the mechanisms they employ when hearing music are really very different.
What I am trying to say is, there are certain things that are more efficiently handled by relative pitch rather than perfect pitch. Hence there is value for a child with perfect pitch to be trained in relative pitching. Of course it is not a necessity, but it's good to have.
Cheers.
We used to have to write down the exact notes of the intervals /chords or a musical phrase being played, and having perfect pitch really helped, as it was very much faster and more efficient. Having very good relative pitch helped too, though slightly slower because got to keep making reference to the “Do” or the note before.
Sounds like your child is developing well musically. All the best to his/her music learning journey.
Cheers! -
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my 8 yr old dd has been with this tr since 4, now has to stop due to tr going overseas. my fren recommend ano tr, we did a trial…this tr says the notes in do-re-mi, my dd prev tr says c-d-e…so any difference in saying otherwise? my dd doing grade 4 now…so when do scales, the new tr ll say now g-major scale, and says start at so,…
not a music person, totally clueless, can someone assist here… -
quizo99:
Seems like the new teacher uses the 'fixed do' system. Actually it does not really matter as each teacher has his/her own preference when it comes to orally notate a note. If your dd gets confused, you could gently ask the teacher to consider using the previous teacher's system with your dd instead.Hi
my 8 yr old dd has been with this tr since 4, now has to stop due to tr going overseas. my fren recommend ano tr, we did a trial...this tr says the notes in do-re-mi, my dd prev tr says c-d-e....so any difference in saying otherwise? my dd doing grade 4 now...so when do scales, the new tr ll say now g-major scale, and says start at so,.....
not a music person, totally clueless, can someone assist here... -
Dreamaurora:
Thanks, Dreamaurora.
Seems like the new teacher uses the 'fixed do' system. Actually it does not really matter as each teacher has his/her own preference when it comes to orally notate a note. If your dd gets confused, you could gently ask the teacher to consider using the previous teacher's system with your dd instead.quizo99:
Hi
my 8 yr old dd has been with this tr since 4, now has to stop due to tr going overseas. my fren recommend ano tr, we did a trial...this tr says the notes in do-re-mi, my dd prev tr says c-d-e....so any difference in saying otherwise? my dd doing grade 4 now...so when do scales, the new tr ll say now g-major scale, and says start at so,.....
not a music person, totally clueless, can someone assist here...
Ya. my dd sure gets confused now, she says she dunno what note the tr was saying. she need to go through the sequence.
i am not sure if its alright,cos i thought the score sheets usually use c-d-e notation instead of do-re-mi. -
quizo99:
Only if you are playing pop sheet music then they will use letters for the chords so the pianists can easily add improvise extra notes.
Thanks, Dreamaurora.
Ya. my dd sure gets confused now, she says she dunno what note the tr was saying. she need to go through the sequence.
i am not sure if its alright,cos i thought the score sheets usually use c-d-e notation instead of do-re-mi.
Generally, easier for pianists to think in terms of letters though the ability to sing well in solfege is definitely useful as well especially for aural. Instrumentalists and vocalists prefer to use solfege rather than letters. -
Hi Dreamaurora,
Although I use moveable do re mi, I still cannot pitch accurately. is it because the starting “do” is inaccurate? How to practise until perfect?? -
phoenix8:
There are many possible reasons why you can't pitch accurately; you should consult your teacher to analyze the root of the issue. Some of these possible reasons:Hi Dreamaurora,
Although I use moveable do re mi, I still cannot pitch accurately. is it because the starting \"do\" is inaccurate? How to practise until perfect??
1. Not familiar with the key signature/scale
2. Not familiar with the pitch pattern
3. Poor singing technique
4. Singing in the register that is out of your vocal range
I would suggest finding out the actual reason first as to why you can't pitch. Even if you practice a lot but wrongly it's only going to worsen the situation. Anyway, for self-study at home you can try using Auralia software; I use it with my more advanced students and it is quite useful as the software can provide you with immediate feedbacks if your pitching is accurate. -
Hi Dreamaurora,
I can’t even differentiate the 3rd and 4th interval when 2 notes are played successively. my teacher asked me to sing do re mi fa soh. Sang correctly. Once he played 2 notes and asked me the interval, i am completely lost. Can’t fit the 2nd note anywhere either in mi or fa.
He will have to figure out how to help me. I have no idea what to do -
phoenix8:
How about you practice singing the following?Hi Dreamaurora,
I can't even differentiate the 3rd and 4th interval when 2 notes are played successively. my teacher asked me to sing do re mi fa soh. Sang correctly. Once he played 2 notes and asked me the interval, i am completely lost. Can't fit the 2nd note anywhere either in mi or fa.
He will have to figure out how to help me. I have no idea what to do
Do re
Do mi
Do fa
Do so
Followed by interval going down:
Do ti (C b)
Do la (C a)
Do so (C g)
Do fa (C f)
That is how my son's teacher taught him.