Using Relative's Address & Statutory Declaration

[sembgal]

phtthp:

sembgal:

I am fully aware that if a child is in Childcare for full day and grandparents take care, the statutory declaration will not be approved. The child must be studying in a kindergarten and parents can show proof that the child has been under the daycare of grandparents as both parents are working full time, using the parents' payslips and parents' company appointment letters.

both parents must be working, but grandparents cannot be working.
How to prove to moe that the child's grandparents are not working ?

According to a reliable source that I know, it is more important to prove that the child is under the full time care of grandparent- grandma for example. The child has to be declared as staying overnight with grandparents on weekdays nights for her kindergarten education. Parents may need to indicate the number of years that the child has been taken care of by grandparent.

If the child just converted to kindergarten from childcare this year, it may not be possible to get approval for statutory declaration from MOE. MOE is not stupid also- if a parent converts the K2 child from Childcare to kindergarten setting within these few months, you think MOE doesn't know what parents are trying to achieve?

To prove that grandparent is not working is simple. Every year, the kindergarten will give a form to update particulars (in case of emergency whom to contact) and the caregiver of the child: grandma's name has to be included with her residence address and contact number. MOE can always verify with the child's kindergarten. The kindergarten will keep records on those forms.

If the child is taking school bus to and from grandparent's place to kindergarten, the bus transport company keeps record of that too that the child is picked up from grandparent's place and sent to kindergarten.

It all depends on how MOE is convinced before giving that statutory declaration letter.

[phtthp]

Since first week of July is the start of registration for 2014 p1 intake, when is the dateline (is there a dateline ?) to submit these application form(s) for statutory approval? In case there’s hiccup along the way, and moe want to verify the accuracy of all the documentation submitted to them, before they decide to approve or reject your statutory declaration submitted ?

[sembgal]

phtthp:

Since first week of July is the start of registration for 2014 p1 intake, when is the dateline (is there a dateline ?) to submit these application form(s) for statutory approval? In case there's hiccup along the way, and moe want to verify the accuracy of all the documentation submitted to them, before they decide to approve or reject your statutory declaration submitted ?

Are you referring to deadline? I think the statutory declaration will start 1st July lasting for 6 weeks. Just guessing based on past year statutory declaration. One of the child's parent have to go to MOE with the grandparent to prove that they are related. Please dig out Birth Certificate because the BC will state the parent relationship with the grandparent. MOE also want to see that the grandparent is healthy and capable of looking after herself physically as well as the grandchild. You can't be bringing the grandparent in wheelchair to MOE to declare with the maid and said the grandma is taking care of grandchild. MOE won't believe it because in this case it's obvious that the parent is making use of the loophole.

[phtthp]

Talking about loophole, make me wonder ...


How about those parents who place their child at their grandparent's place with maid ? So is actually the maid looking after the child, not the grandparent right ? But they conveniently declare is the grandparent looking after the child.

Unless the grandparent's place no maid, then is a different story.

So what is moe stand now ?
Park your child at grandparent's house with a maid -
also approve or outright reject the statutory declaration ?

[sembgal]

phtthp:

Talking about loophole, make me wonder ...


How about those parents who place their child at their grandparent's place with maid ? So is actually the maid looking after the child, not the grandparent right ? But they conveniently declare is the grandparent looking after the child.

Unless the grandparent's place no maid, then is a different story.

So what is moe stand now ?
Park your child at grandparent's house with a maid -
also approve or outright reject the statutory declaration ?

Hi, as long as fulfil the criteria that the grandparent is not working, the maid there or not there should not hinder the approval of declaration. U can check with MOE.

[Aleixis]

One question: why would MOE not approve a statutory declaration because the child is currently in child care in K2? The child will no longer be in child care once he / she goes into P1 and will be looked after by the grandparents after school?

[phtthp]

MOE only look at :-

who take care of your child, before enter P1 ?

if your child attend a childcare centre (ccc), anytime from N1 to K2 -
it is the teachers plus the (kitchen + admin) staff inside the ccc looking after your child - ie. they are the ones that teach your child through core teaching curriculum time, bathe your child, keep your child occupied through games, through activities, through storytelling, nap time, cook food, prepare food for your child, for makan during lunch time or tea break time, etc.

whether your child attend a half day ccc (7 am to 1.30 pm) OR attend a full day ccc (7 am to 7 pm), still, it is the staff inside the ccc that are actually taking care of your child - be it half day, or full day.

[Aleixis]

Thanks, but the fact still remains that the grandparents will be the one looking after them after they go to P1. I understand that parents will not be able to prove it but I thought the purpose of the statutory declaration is for the parents to declare how the child will be looked after in the future.


The fact that the children are placed in child care does not mean that the grandparents are not able to look after them. It is because of the other additional activities and programmes and being around other children, etc. Better than staying at home and watching TV most of the time.

Is it really true that MOE rejected a statutory declaration because of that reason?

[sembgal]

Aleixis:

Thanks, but the fact still remains that the grandparents will be the one looking after them after they go to P1. I understand that parents will not be able to prove it but I thought the purpose of the statutory declaration is for the parents to declare how the child will be looked after in the future.


The fact that the children are placed in child care does not mean that the grandparents are not able to look after them. It is because of the other additional activities and programmes and being around other children, etc. Better than staying at home and watching TV most of the time.

Is it really true that MOE rejected a statutory declaration because of that reason?

The brutal truth is MOE will reject if you declare they are in Childcare now and in future look after by grandparents. MOE is looking at who looked after the child before P1, NOT after P1. Do not lie to MOE because they can retrieve your child's Childcare record and penalise you for making false declaration.

[Aleixis]

So, the declaration includes whether the child is currently in child care or not?


If that question is in the stat declaration, then of course one cannot lie.

Sorry but I guess I still cannot understand the logic behind it. The reason why the grandparents will be looking after the child is in P1 is because the children will be heading there after school since it is close by. Isn’t that the reason why MOE even allowed this avenue instead of just the parents’ residential address? Just because you didn’t put child in child care also does not mean that the child will be looked after by the grandparents in the future or that they looked after them in the past before.

Hmm…Maybe I am misunderstanding the reason why this avenue was even offered in the first place by MOE for registration purposes.