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    • sharonkhooS Offline
      sharonkhoo
      last edited by

      phtthp\" post_id=\"2109599\" time=\"1685063410\" user_id=\"35251:

      Without a SOLID foundation
      in A-Maths (O-level),
      even if
      your kid managed to pass the admission entrance tests in JC (1), because your kid happen to do well in Elementary Maths (O-level),

      he (she), the pupil, may still struggle with A-level Maths in JCs.
      Just to add that some kids may take A maths and still struggle with H2 maths. So before deciding to try so hard to have your daughter take A maths, with the possibility of struggling with H2 maths at JC, do check if she really has interest, aptitude and ability in both maths and sciences.

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      • phtthpP Offline
        phtthp
        last edited by

        slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2109600\" time=\"1685063799\" user_id=\"28674:

        Just to add that some kids may take A maths and still struggle with H2 maths. So before deciding to try so hard to have your daughter take A maths, with the possibility of struggling with H2 maths at JC, do check if she really has interest, aptitude and ability in both maths and sciences.
        Yes, of course. A word of caution.

        Parents should exercise discernment, wisdom,
        whether
        a child ought to pursue A-Maths (O level), or not.

        If a child has learning difficulty, please do Not push the pupil into learning something, beyond what the child can cope.

        Parents, you know your own kid, best (well).

        Thank you, for the important reminder, which I have over looked. Sorry, about it. Thank you, that you raised this up, in time. Much appreciated. Thank you.

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        • zac's mumZ Offline
          zac's mum
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          To hit A2, need 70 marks.


          B3 ranges from 65-69.

          To get from B3 to A2, need to close a gap of 1-5 marks.

          If this issue is super important to you, get the best Math tuition you can, between now June hols till EOY exam. Lower sec Math needs a lot of regular consistent practice. It is very possible to hit A2 by EOY. Child already scoring B3 means no major learning difficulties.

          That is my opinion. These things are within your control right now. Dun need to worry about things that havent happened yet which u can’t control. Wishing u all the best.

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          • B Offline
            Blissedsher
            last edited by

            Thanks for the advice I will let my child know . Hopefully she can get her A2 by year end.

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            • Daddy with one sonD Offline
              Daddy with one son
              last edited by

              My son is in Sec 1 in HCI. Can you tell me about his options when it comes to Sec 2 streaming?


              Where can I find this information online? There does not seem to have this information on the HCI official webpage.

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              • zac's mumZ Offline
                zac's mum
                last edited by

                I know different schools set different criteria for sec 2 streaming (it’s not regulated by MOE). But someone please tell me it’s not uncommon to have this in Express track:


                Students will be ranked on their total score of all 12 subjects:
                1. English
                2. Mother tongue
                3. Math
                4. Science
                5. History
                6. Geography
                7. Literature
                8. Art
                9. Music
                10. PE (including Napfa results)
                11. FCE
                12. D&T

                Furthermore, math & science are doubly-weighted aka doubly-counted in the overall total.

                Meaning:
                13. Math
                14. Science

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                • phtthpP Offline
                  phtthp
                  last edited by

                  Not true.


                  At end of Sec 2, Secondary schools only take in consideration or factor in those subjects that formulate your L1R5 (O level). In other words, those non core Sec 2 subjects like PE, Art, Music, FCE, D&T, usually, these are out ! Not factored in.

                  So, what then are your "CORE" Sec 2 subjects identified, being taken into consideration, for end of Sec 2 streaming, into choosing (selecting) your Sec 3 subject combination ?

                  Of course, will definitely include your

                  1) two basic languages:
                  English + Mother tongue.


                  2) your (Maths & Science), obviously, without any doubt.


                  3) your Humanities.
                  That is your Sec 2 (Literature + History + Geography)

                  At this point in time, now that u have already reached the end of Sec 2, u got to decide for yourself :-

                  Amongst these 3 subjects (History, Geography and Literature), which one

                  - do I have more interest, in ?

                  - do I tend to do better, or analyse & understand, better in ?

                  - do I have a natural flair (strength) in or towards ?


                  ========================

                  Next question, then arises -

                  Over & above those essential core subjects named & factored in above,
                  then,

                  under what unusual situation(s) or circumstances, will they consider your end of Sec 2 grades in
                  (Art / Music / PE / Design & Technology ) ?

                  They will come in handy & useful, if you (an end of Sec 2 student) decide to take up certain specialized O level subjects domain, that are related to Art, PE, Music or Design & Technology. Yes, indeed, there are such specialized O level subjects available, at the National O level exam. If you were to look under the umbrella of all the O level subjects to be sat for each year (batch), these unusual subjects are all there.
                  And Yes, there are minority students taking such specialized subjects, though not many.

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                  • phtthpP Offline
                    phtthp
                    last edited by

                    Daddy with one son\" post_id=\"2112179\" time=\"1688359804\" user_id=\"102861:[quote=\"Daddy with one son\" post_id=2112179 time=1688359804 user_id=102861]
                    My son is in Sec 1 in HCI. Can you tell me about his options when it comes to Sec 2 streaming?

                    Where can I find this information online? There does not seem to have this information on the HCI official webpage.[/quote]
                    Definitely,

                    your Hwa Chong Secondary school Vice Principal and Heads of Department will brief all students seated inside the school hall or Auditorium, when they come to Sec 2 (Year 2), beginning of the year in January, about what to expect, when come to year end streaming, into Sec 3 (or year 3).

                    When the time is ripe for students to be briefed, your Hwa Chong VP will definitely brief them.

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                    • zac's mumZ Offline
                      zac's mum
                      last edited by

                      phtthp\" post_id=\"2133940\" time=\"1715836538\" user_id=\"35251:

                      Not true.

                      At end of Sec 2, Secondary schools only take in consideration or factor in those subjects that formulate your L1R5 (O level). In other words, those non core Sec 2 subjects like PE, Art, Music, FCE, D&T, usually, these are out ! Not factored in.

                      So, what then are your \"CORE\" Sec 2 subjects identified, being taken into consideration, for end of Sec 2 streaming, into choosing (selecting) your Sec 3 subject combination ?

                      Of course, will definitely include your

                      1) two basic languages:
                      English + Mother tongue.


                      2) your (Maths & Science), obviously, without any doubt.


                      3) your Humanities.
                      That is your Sec 2 (Literature + History + Geography)

                      At this point in time, now that u have already reached the end of Sec 2, u got to decide for yourself :-

                      Amongst these 3 subjects (History, Geography and Literature), which one

                      - do I have more interest, in ?

                      - do I tend to do better, or analyse & understand, better in ?

                      - do I have a natural flair (strength) in or towards ?


                      ========================

                      Next question, then arises -

                      Over & above those essential core subjects named & factored in above,
                      then,

                      under what unusual situation(s) or circumstances, will they consider your end of Sec 2 grades in
                      (Art / Music / PE / Design & Technology ) ?

                      They will come in handy & useful, if you (an end of Sec 2 student) decide to take up certain specialized O level subjects domain, that are related to Art, PE, Music or Design & Technology. Yes, indeed, there are such specialized O level subjects available, at the National O level exam. If you were to look under the umbrella of all the O level subjects to be sat for each year (batch), these unusual subjects are all there.
                      And Yes, there are minority students taking such specialized subjects, though not many.
                      Yes this is how i understand many schools do it, ie if want to take A maths, need min A1-2 for lower sec maths, if want to take pure science, need min A1-2 for lower sec science. For low to mid-tier schools.

                      But my above posted 12 subject criteria is set by my son’s school. Just wondering how uncommon it is.

                      (For higher tier Express schools, i understand that A math and pure science are the default and compulsory.)

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                      • VeveyV Offline
                        Vevey
                        last edited by

                        zac's mum\" post_id=\"2133939\" time=\"1715835078\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2133939 time=1715835078 user_id=53606]
                        I know different schools set different criteria for sec 2 streaming (it’s not regulated by MOE). But someone please tell me it’s not uncommon to have this in Express track:

                        Students will be ranked on their total score of all 12 subjects:
                        1. English
                        2. Mother tongue
                        3. Math
                        4. Science
                        5. History
                        6. Geography
                        7. Literature
                        8. Art
                        9. Music
                        10. PE (including Napfa results)
                        11. FCE
                        12. D&T

                        Furthermore, math & science are doubly-weighted aka doubly-counted in the overall total.

                        Meaning:
                        13. Math
                        14. Science[/quote]
                        Based on personal & friends' sharing over the decade, it is quite common for schools to look at overall results in sec 2. Some schools excluded music & PE (letter grade instead of marks in lower sec) as they do not offer them as an Olevels subjects.

                        Most will set minimum criteria to take up certain subjects so my guess is that this particular school is trying to assign a ranking score by giving double weightage to maths & sci instead of a 2-step evaluation for each affected subject.

                        Perhaps you would like to check w the school or senior parents in that school whether it is something new (then more room for negotiation) or has it been this way all along?

                        Usually I would suggest to find out more about sec 3 subject combination during sec sch open houses. We were disappointed previously when the school was unable to open a class for my child's favorite (& somewhat critical to his post sec ed in terms of portfolio) subject due to lack of interested students in his stream that year & had to compromise ourselves to fit into the school's \"combo menu\", taking an \"irrelevant\" subject.
                        At least we had tried our best to do our due diligence. 🤷

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