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    • sembgalS Offline
      sembgal
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      phtthp\" post_id=\"1976466\" time=\"1589760068\" user_id=\"35251:

      sembgal\" post_id=\"1976443\" time=\"1589733726\" user_id=\"5559:

      [quote=phtthp post_id=1976439 time=1589733307 user_id=35251]actually, the trend now is that
      many schools encouraged students to take (Double Science, Double Humanities) subject combination, because even if do Triple Sciences up to Year 4, when go into Year 5 JC, still got to drop one Science subject, maximum 2 Pure Sciences allowed, excluding H2 Mathematics.

      Also, by having 2 Humanities, it open up more opportunites to explore subject combination at A-level, instead of just confined to 1 humanities , the one that accompany Social Studies

      I see.

      Thanks for sharing.

      A friend’s son did triple pure Sci in neighbourhood sec and combined humanities SS + History, but in RI, he can only do double science in JC and needs 1 contrasting subject to go with double Sci so he opt for Econ.

      talking about Econs,
      (since u raise this up)

      in O-level Secondary schools, not in JCs yet,
      throughout entire Singapore, only 4 Secondary schools offer Economics (SEAB subject exam code 2286), permitted by MOE.

      These 4 schools are

      - Tanjong Katong Girls' Secondary,
      - Temasek Secondary (co-ed),
      - Westwood Secondary (co-ed),
      - Presbyterian High (co-ed).

      heard that taking O-level Econs is very popular, in these schools.
      So, if you happen to be a student studying in these 4 schools, can consider take up O-level Economics, inside your end of Sec 2 streaming exercise, choosing new Upper Sec 3 (or Year 3) subject combination.


      https://www.schoolbag.sg/story/westwood-secondary-lends-an-invisible-hand-to-%27o%27-level-economics[/quote]A foundation in economics helps if one opts to study finance or business administration in future. But if one is into AI (Artificial Intelligence), there is no benefit to study Economics for O levels. A good foundation in Pure Physics and Pure Chemistry with A Maths would certainly help. AI is getting big in SG. Singapore poly has offered the first AI course in 2020.

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      • phtthpP Offline
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        sembgal\" post_id=\"1976429\" time=\"1589730760\" user_id=\"5559:

        Just asking if it is better to take double pure Science and 1 combined humanities and 1 pure humanities

        or

        take triple pure Science and 1 combined humanities ?

        Really depends on individual kid's interest & aptitude.

        As Bio is a content heavy subject, most sch set minimum criteria for kids who want to take triple science, to ensure that they can cope.
        Some schools do not encourage taking both geo & history so if a child is not interested in lit, then not much of a humanities choice there, except some coursework subjects.
        Having said that, Olevels results can still be a surprise.

        if compare Pure Biology vs. Pure History vs. Pure Geography,

        can share, which is the most content heavy, amongst these 3 ?

        Pure History = Core (or Full) Humanities, not the half 50% content \"Elective\" humanities

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        • phtthpP Offline
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          sembgal\" post_id=\"1971:

          Thanks for sharing.

          A friend’s son did triple pure Sci in neighbourhood sec and combined humanities SS + History, but in RI, he can only do double science in JC and needs 1 contrasting subject to
          A foundation in economics helps if one opts to study finance or business administration in future. But if one is into AI (Artificial Intelligence), there is no benefit to study Economics for O levels. A good foundation in Pure Physics and Pure Chemistry with A Maths would certainly help. AI is getting big in SG. Singapore poly has offered the first AI course in 2020.
          Yes, Artificial Intelligence is popular (hot) now, esp. in covid situation.

          E.g.
          design a robot, that can move around inside an solated hospital ward, delivered medicine / food & drink to patients staying inside the quarantined ward / designated lock-down places

          Guangdong Provincial People hospital (China) is using this type of cute, clever robot, know how to take elevator (lift) itself, moved around to deliver medicine to patients, inside isolated covid-19 hospital ward

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6kOZmjliy9o

          There is also a robotic \"nurse\", in Bangkok

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MwVfw-NWEUI


          or another example
          designed a food collection robot, that move around inside food-court / hawker centre, to collect consumed food plates, cutlery and cups, from customers who have finished eating their meal.

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          • VeveyV Offline
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            Vevey\" post_id=\"1976583\" time=\"1589791336\" user_id=\"1350:

            [quote=sembgal post_id=1976429 time=1589730760 user_id=5559]Just asking if it is better to take double pure Science and 1 combined humanities and 1 pure humanities

            or

            take triple pure Science and 1 combined humanities ?

            Really depends on individual kid's interest & aptitude.

            As Bio is a content heavy subject, most sch set minimum criteria for kids who want to take triple science, to ensure that they can cope.
            Some schools do not encourage taking both geo & history so if a child is not interested in lit, then not much of a humanities choice there, except some coursework subjects.
            Having said that, Olevels results can still be a surprise.

            if compare Pure Biology vs. Pure History vs. Pure Geography,

            can share, which is the most content heavy, amongst these 3 ?

            Pure History = Core (or Full) Humanities, not the half 50% content \"Elective\" humanities[/quote]Will be quite hard-pressed to find anyone who took all 3 to make a fair comparison. That's why interest and aptitude is important to carry one through the choices made.

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            • sharonkhooS Offline
              sharonkhoo
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              Vevey\" post_id=\"1976651\" time=\"1589846134\" user_id=\"1350:

              phtthp\" post_id=\"1976633\" time=\"1589812958\" user_id=\"35251:

              if compare Pure Biology vs. Pure History vs. Pure Geography,

              can share, which is the most content heavy, amongst these 3 ?

              Will be quite hard-pressed to find anyone who took all 3 to make a fair comparison. That's why interest and aptitude is important to carry one through the choices made.

              It also depends on how an individual studies - students who rely more heavily on memorisation will find any subject more onerous than students who rely on selective memory work plus reasoning. And those who memorise selectively will not necessarily do worse than those who memorise more. Also, interest will make help more facts \"stick\" without intentional memorisation.

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                sembgal\" post_id=\"1976429\" time=\"1589730760\" user_id=\"5559:
                Which school(s) have this combi of triple pure Sciences + 1 combined humanities?

                Please enlighten me cos I thought it would be very rare.
                For Triple Sciences subject combination that are allowed (permitted) in those Secondary schools,

                (because not all schools in Singapore, offer Triple Sciences) -


                most schools offer Total 8 subject combination, including

                the compulsory combined \" Social studies + Elective Humanities together by SEAB\", counted as 1 single subject, overall combined.


                To take
                Total 9 subjects at Upper Sec 3 level,
                it is offered only to outstanding students @end of Sec 2 streaming, who have the ability to show that they are able to handle (manage) the \"above-norm\" requirement.

                If include taking 3rd foreign language
                (Spanish / French / Japanese / German), as well, Total will be 10 subjects.


                8, 9 or 10 subjects is a far cry, from PSLE 4 subjects.

                =====================

                definition of Triple Sciences :

                Pure Physics
                Pure Biology
                Pure Chemistry

                \"Elective\" humanities -
                covered 50% (or half) of the \"Core\" or \"Full\" Humanities subject matter content

                =========================
                FAQ
                (Frequently asked question)

                What is the worst case scenario ?

                What happen, if a student took
                Triple Sciences +
                Elective Geography (that accompany Social studies),

                and say,
                scored C6 (Elective Geography) In L1R5,

                can this student, when go up to Junior College, take H1 or H2 A-level Geography ?

                To answer,
                need to check the pre-requistes for Geography, inside individual JCs.

                Some JCs stated -
                No pre requistes required whatsoever, for Geography. In this case, even if the student had scored grade \"C6\" in combined Geography (under Elective Humanities, together with Social Studies), Yes, student can still take H2 Geography, inside this JC.

                \"C6\" is the lowest passing grade, before \"D7\"

                But, if those JCs stated otherwise that certain pre-requistes are required, before can take H2 Geog, one need to check carefully

                Social Studies is compulsory

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                • phtthpP Offline
                  phtthp
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                  zac's mum\" post_id=\"1976479\" time=\"1589763600\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1976479 time=1589763600 user_id=53606]
                  sembgal\" post_id=\"1976429\" time=\"1589730760\" user_id=\"5559:
                  Which school(s) have this combi of triple pure Sciences + 1 combined humanities?

                  Please enlighten me cos I thought it would be very rare.
                  For O-level students,
                  who are taking
                  special talent-skilled subject, in certain designated schools hand-picked (approved) by MOE,

                  E.g.

                  AEP (Art Elective Program) / MEP (Music Elective Program) \"stand-alone\" core (full) Humanities,

                  that will enable you to take all the way, straight up into Junior College (JC1 level), even after your O-level,

                  here is the break-down (detail), of Total 9 subjects combination, if take Triple Sciences
                  at Upper Sec (3 & 4) level, after the end-of-sec 2 streaming exercise -


                  1)

                  2 languages
                  (English + Higher Chinese)

                  2)

                  2 Maths
                  (Elementary Maths + Additional Maths)

                  3)

                  3 Sciences (ie. Triples Sciences)
                  Pure (Chemistry + Physics + Biology)

                  up to this point here, reach Total 7 subjects already


                  4)

                  the compulsory Social Studies +
                  \"Elective\" Humanities (can be History or Geography or English Literature) combined together, counted as one single subject, #8

                  5)

                  AEP or MEP, is subject #9

                  6)

                  If students take 3rd foreign language
                  (Spanish / French / German / Japanese), this will be counted as subject #10

                  ===========================

                  note

                  Maximum, Total 8 subjects taken for Triple Science students, is the norm, in most Secondary schools.

                  This include O-level students in,
                  example
                  (Cedar Girls', Crescent Girls, Anglican High, Nanhua High, Maris Stella High, Chung Cheng High) Secondary schools


                  only outstanding students @end of Sec 2 streaming exercise,
                  who prove that they have the ability to manage (handle / tackle) the \"above-norm\", are allowed to take Total 9 subjects.


                  If students wish to take #10 subject (3rd Foreign language),
                  students need to seek (obtain) approval from their respective school Principal / MOE, first

                  because

                  schools do not want students to take so many subjects, get overwhelmed by the heavy burden school work-load, in the end cannot cope, didn't do well, affect (impact) their overall L1R5 score, to
                  enter Junior Colleges / Polytechnic.

                  ====================

                  Btw

                  AEP / MEP and 3rd foreign language, are mutually exclusive.

                  For those few, special designated schools that offer talent in AEP / MEP, normally they won't let students take

                  - AEP with 3rd foreign language, or
                  - MEP with 3rd foreign language

                  because

                  AEP / MEP itself, are already very heavy in content

                  There had been past cases, where students appealed to drop out of AEP / MEP, before reaching the end-of-their-Sec2, cannot cope. What more, when more new subjects (eg. Social studies) start to come in, at Sec 3 brginning.
                  Whether appeal to drop can go through or not, MOE will evaluate (consider), case by case basis

                  The lesser number of subjects students take, the better they tend to perform at O-level National exam, because
                  they have more time to study, more time to prepare, more time to absorb or \"internalize\" (digest), per subject inside their L1R5

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                  • phtthpP Offline
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                    For IP students,

                    Social studies not compulsory, newspaper reported


                    https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/letters-in-print/equip-teachers-to-handle-social-studies-class-deftly

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                    • sharonkhooS Offline
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                      For IP students,
                      Social studies not compulsory, newspaper reported

                      https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/letters-in-print/equip-teachers-to-handle-social-studies-class-deftly
                      This was 2016 - has it changed? In any case, although it may not have been compulsory, my guess is that most schools would have had SS as a subject, which would be compulsory within the school. Doesn't MOE make National Education compusory (i.e. it's got to be worked in somehow)?

                      I believe that the writer of the letter was assuming that because IP students don't have to take O levels, they didn't have SS as a subject at all. That isn't the case. At least in my daughter's sec school, they had SS for all 4 years.

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                        For students taking HCL, triple science and double Math, are they considered as 9 or 10 subjects?

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