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[pirated]

ngl2010:

pirated:

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Pirated, is PW similar to RE?

No same

RE is a useful skill set applicable in uni

PW is just opportunity to get to know who are slackers in the team and share the grades and you found who you don't like. And is a marker for end of JC 1.

:faint:[/quote]Oh btw you also got to know whose house is bigger and who are the high maintenance kids :rotflmao:

[ngl2010]

I found MOE FAQs on A Level from this link

http://www.moe.gov.sg/cpdd/alevel2006/faqs.htm#Q34

Please see the words highlighted in blue. Anybody knows what it means? Does it mean if got distinction in O Level HCL it can be included in the calculation of UAS?

MOE FAQs on A Level:

37. What are the subjects that count towards the University Admission Score? How is the computation of scores done?

Subjects that count towards the University Admission Score are General Paper (GP) and Project Work (PW), as well as three H2 and one H1 content-based subjects, of which one must be a contrasting subject.

An H1 subject will be counted as half of an H2 in terms of points computation. GP and PW will be calculated as H1 subjects.

MTL will be treated as in the previous framework, i.e. require a sub-pass for admission but omitted from the calculation of the University Admission Score, but students who score well may submit their MTL grades (as an H1) on top of other subjects required towards their University Admission Score, which will be re-based.

For examples of computations for subject combinations beyond the norm, please refer to http://www.moe.gov.sg/cpdd/alevel2006/u ... beyond.htm

[zeemimi]

Usually students take GP,PW,3H2+1H1 or GP,PW,4H2.

For the latter, the worst H2 grade will be counted as a H1.
HCL grade can be used in place of the H1 grade, taking the better of the 2.

[ngl2010]

zeemimi:

Usually students take GP,PW,3H2+1H1 or GP,PW,4H2.

For the latter, the worst H2 grade will be counted as a H1.
HCL grade can be used in place of the H1 grade, taking the better of the 2.

Thank you, Zeemimi!

:thankyou:

[Fat Mama]

zeemimi:

Usually students take GP,PW,3H2+1H1 or GP,PW,4H2.

For the latter, the worst H2 grade will be counted as a H1.
HCL grade can be used in place of the H1 grade, taking the better of the 2.

I think the highlighted portion is incorrect. This is taken from NUS Office of Admission :

Admission requirements for H1/H2 'A' Level curriculum »
Academic Considerations for University Admissions »
Applicants will be considered for admission based on the strength of their academic achievements and additional interviews/tests if required. Applicants would need to obtain good passes in the following subjects:

Best four content subjects (i.e. 3 H2 and 1 H1 content-based * subjects, with at least 1 content subject to be from a contrasting discipline), and
either General Paper (GP) or Knowledge Inquiry (KI) subject taken in the same sitting with the H2 content-based subjects, and
H1 Project Work

* Please note that H1 Mother-Tongue Language subject (MTL) cannot be considered in-lieu of a H1 content-based subject.

HCL is equivalent to H1 MTL therefore it cannot replace a H1 subject.

Computation of UAS example : Total 3 H2 + H1 + GP + PW = 70 pts

With HCL Distinction (10 pts) computation : 70 pts x 0.9 = 63 pts then add HCL 10pts = 73 pts.

So HCL helps student to increase 3pts.

This is what I understand from school talk regarding UAS computation.

[zeemimi]

apologies if i’ve given wrong info. that was what was explained to me by a friend. have not looked into it in detail because planning to apply overseas uni.

[Pen88n]

Fat Mama:

zeemimi:

Usually students take GP,PW,3H2+1H1 or GP,PW,4H2.

For the latter, the worst H2 grade will be counted as a H1.
HCL grade can be used in place of the H1 grade, taking the better of the 2.

I think the highlighted portion is incorrect. This is taken from NUS Office of Admission :

Admission requirements for H1/H2 'A' Level curriculum »
Academic Considerations for University Admissions »
Applicants will be considered for admission based on the strength of their academic achievements and additional interviews/tests if required. Applicants would need to obtain good passes in the following subjects:

Best four content subjects (i.e. 3 H2 and 1 H1 content-based * subjects, with at least 1 content subject to be from a contrasting discipline), and
either General Paper (GP) or Knowledge Inquiry (KI) subject taken in the same sitting with the H2 content-based subjects, and
H1 Project Work

* Please note that H1 Mother-Tongue Language subject (MTL) cannot be considered in-lieu of a H1 content-based subject.

HCL is equivalent to H1 MTL therefore it cannot replace a H1 subject.

Computation of UAS example : Total 3 H2 + H1 + GP + PW = 70 pts

With HCL Distinction (10 pts) computation : 70 pts x 0.9 = 63 pts then add HCL 10pts = 73 pts.

So HCL helps student to increase 3pts.

This is what I understand from school talk regarding UAS computation.

The explanation given by DS' school is slightly different from your computation.
Total 3H2 (20 points each) + 3H1 (10 points each) = 90 points

Taking your example:

Assume a student score 70 points for his 3H2 and 3H1 and a distinction for HCL which is 10 points.
His total points will be computed as: (70points+10points) x 0.9 = 72 points (which will be 2 points addition to the total score).

Assume a more outstanding student scoring 85 points for his 3H2 and 3H1 and a distinction for HCL which is 10 points.
His total points will be computed as: (85points + 10points) x 0.9 = 85.5points (which will be 0.5points addition to the total score).

You can see that HCL score becomes insignificant when the student's results for the 3H2 3H1 is outstanding.

[schweppes]

Some personal observation.


GP is useful. It hones the students' critical thinking and writing abilities. I find that this is what sets the JC students apart from poly grads. Students have almost 2 years to hone their thinking and writing skills. It prepares most JC students for academic writing in the uni.

Personally, I feel that poly students should go through a similiar course or subject like GP during their poly years. Unfortunately the poly's curriculum are not designed as such. There may be some Business Communications course but that's like only for 3-4 months. How to hone one's writing skills during that short period of time?

PW, whilst it may be the bane of many JC students, does have its merits. Because poly students work in groups (and in different groups within 1 semester; and we are looking at 6 sems in total), they learn to work with people they like/don't like, and learn to be resourceful.

If one does not have good group dynamics, chances of not doing well is highly possible. Because poly students are exposed to multiple project work, from what I understand, the powers that be decided that JC students should also be exposed to PW as well. And that's how PW came about for JC students (or so i've been told). In this regard, because poly students have 3 years to hone their project management and presentation skills, they have this advantage when they enter uni.

Generally, most students tend to be lost in the first semester, regardless whether they are JC or poly students. But after the 1st sem, most learn to adapt and tend to be better assured or find their footing after a while.

Thought I share the above based on my observations after all these years.

[ngl2010]

Thank you Fat Mama and Pen88n for the explanations.


In both computation method, it looks like distinction in HCL will help increase the UAS score. It's time to push DS further. :nunchuk:

[ngl2010]

Pirated said that PW is different than RE. But seriously, is there any other differences other than can’t select team members? RE in Year 1 also can’t select team members. Year 2 can select own team members. I don’t know about Year 3 though.