Homosexuality
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ks2me:
Personally, I do noe of gay frds who were discriminated, sneered at and verbally abused....... and my male buddy once told me tat during his \"younger ignorant\" days, he and grp of frds used to go around taunting and bashing those they deemed as sissies in his school, so yeah tat's y I am kinda passionate abt this subject...... it's a little difficult for me to accept tat all homosexuals had a choice in their sexual orientation considering the kind of social pressure, humiliation and yes, discrimination they faced....
We don't have legal laws to permit their lifestyle here but so far I don't know anyone who discriminates them other than people who keeps insisting that there is discrimination. :roll: None of the gays I know have ever lost their jobs due to them being gay. NONE!, in fact they are respected in what they do as long as they do it well. None of them has lesser friendship from us because they are gay .. .
autumnbronze wrote:
Until we are able to arrive at a definitive answer, one cannot simply attribute such behaviour merely to sexual preference (ie. choice). :celebrate: -
cluelessmom:
Yes...but the signals i get from the replies here is that we do not participate in discriminating against gays despite not agreeing to their lifestyle. We will teach our kids to respect them as individual so that they do not go around bashing them up or sneering at them.
Personally, I do noe of gay frds who were discriminated, sneered at and verbally abused....... and my male buddy once told me tat during his \"younger ignorant\" days, he and grp of frds used to go around taunting and bashing those they deemed as sissies in his school, so yeah tat's y I am kinda passionate abt this subject...... it's a little difficult for me to accept tat all homosexuals had a choice in their sexual orientation considering the kind of social pressure, humiliation and yes, discrimination they faced....
autumnbronze wrote:
Until we are able to arrive at a definitive answer, one cannot simply attribute such behaviour merely to sexual preference (ie. choice).
[color=darkblue]Therefore meanwhile ..isn't it wise for us, parents to bring up our kids in a natural manner and guide them towards the right direction to go to in the face of all other kind of influences that they will receive which is against nature.
Like someone said here....teach them that BGR is the right path to go to at the right time... -
Dear westmom,
If u read carefully, I am replying to ks2me statement tat she don't know anyone who discriminates them other than people who keeps insisting that there is discrimination. I wld take it tat she meant in general and not wif reference to this forum. I am merely stating tat I have known of gays, on the contrary, who were discriminated and verbally abused by others and I must now hasten to add and correct, I am not refering to people in this forum . In no way I am insinuating tat the people here discriminates against gays despite not agreeing to their lifestyle, pls do not get the wrong impression. :shock: -
i am contributing as a passer-by who happens to come across this thread.
What exactly is Homosexuality?
By Definition from Dictionary.com, It means \"sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex.\"
From Religions' point of view, It is a Sin regardless of whether you are Christians, Buddist or Muslims etc. No religion will promote Homosexuality. I truly believe that the main reason is nothing complicated and perhaps I will not know about all the details of each religion on their share of views regardless Homosexuality because I am a free-thinker. I embrace all religion's view but may not necessary lean to them because more than anything, the main reason which I believed derives from a human's logical point of view.
To be Objective, as long as you are human, you should have the common sense to know that Homosexuality deny natural birth. If the whole population to lean to homosexuality, human will cease to exist. Even if half the population is to lean to homosexuality, humanity will be dealt with a great blow.
I firmly believe that homosexual should never be promoted. Yes, it may cause misery and sadness to people who are homosexual because they will be tormented by the lack of love. Perhaps, their mentality will be twisted to a certain extent by the cause and effect.
I however, simply do not want to imagine the pure horror that homosexuality will cause if it is legalized and promoted by all sectors in the government and population. Why? Simply imagine if the Army not just Singapore but the whole world, comprise of mainly men, legalized gay. It is pure horror. Yes, homosexual is a sexual orientation and many people claim that it is something that you are born with. It is true. But that doesn't deny the fact that trauma and influence may also swing a person to lead to Homosexuality. Another human common sense, how can a person who is good-natured turned bad? Ans : Peer Pressure. However, Peer Pressure is of course, not enough to turn a person's sexuality. The another attributing factor is the barrier which i will explain below.
From Human's common sense, when the oppressed is being allowed to break free, what is the next step? Ans : Aggressiveness. You do not expect the idealist or those who promote homosexuality to stop, they will just continue their compaign until the whole world accepts homosexuality. Once the Barrier is breached and broken, parents will no longer teach their children homosexuality is wrong and the discrimination against homosexuality will be removed, No one questions homosexuality because It is Normal. When that barrier is broken, FEAR to be homosexual is being erased, from our common sense, we may have this thinking, :\"Homosexual? So what?\"
Your next question may be, if a guy or girl is not born homosexual or is not homosexual, then there should be no way to change their orientation. But If the barrier is broken and with the addition of peer pressure from aggressiveness, I firmly believe it is not impossible that homosexuality will increase and the worst outcome is to lead to bisexuality. From that point onwards, Diseases will rise, AIDS or more etc. Birth rate declines. Absense of Moral. I am a free-thinker and I respect the teaching of their morals out of all others in every religions.
Now, everyone who read my post will say that I am too harsh on homosexual.
But I am homosexual myself. I felt attraction to males since as young as a 10 year old child. I had ever since then, question myself why I am born a male. But by now, I am very glad that I am born a male and came to the decisive conclusion that Seeking Love is not the only way of living. Even Love branches out to many other categories. I embraced the love from friendship and seek out to the excitement of life which extend to your interests and many other posssibilities. I do not need to explain that many people regardless from past or present choose \"This or That\" over love. Some even choose to discard love for what they seek and believed.
During my time as a fully awared homosexual, I went to a deep one-sided relationship with a guy in school that I really loved - ie; handsome, smart etc. After I left school, I came to depression. I start to question why I can't have love. I never seek a counsellor or take any pills. Simply Time Heals. I went to Indonesia in one of the more rural country and came to this though, because singaporeans are living in luxury. That's why we crave for love, because we really do not need clothings or live in hunger or be afraid of next meal. Those who seek love are really living in pure luxury. That's what I thought. And that opened my eyes to the many options that life can lead to. I will hereby stressed that you re-read my last 3 Sentence three times because you must fully understand what I meant, especially the options.
The most difficult thing about life is to live without regrets. Time do not show mercy for those who regret what they could have done but did not do. If you pursue the path of love as a homosexual, I wish you all the best. Why? Life is about living without regrets. if you do not regret pursuing the path of love as a homosexual, give in your best. Do not falter. Continue and no matter the results, do not regret as you had already decided during then.
As concluding my thread, I had given rather confusing views because while I strongly discourage homosexualism but yet still give them my blessing and encourage them, the main reason behind my strong discouragement is such that homosexual should not be causing conflicts among men and that itself is wrong. But pursuing love is right. Life is always full of irony. Sometimes, Moral and Emotions cannot co-exist, it simply depends on individual.
Should i adopt a child, and as a single homosexual adult, I will teach him/her that homosexuality is wrong should they ever ask. But if they were to strongly lean towards homosexuality and ultimate decides upon that path, I will give them my blessings. Why? More than anything, I value the love between us. If one side to strongly insist with no room of arguments and I love him/her so much, I should give my support. Movies, shows and texts often teach us to object and teach them what is right. But then again, who can decide what is right and what is wrong? Ultimately, god should never be brought to the this topic. That's what i firmly believe. Why? Ans : God is god because they never appears. If someone is to tell you that he is god because he can perform wonders, will you believe him? And if god never appear, they cannot interfere with our life. Then again, as a freethinker, i believe god is impartial to all living things. Why purposely just side with mankind? I truly have this question and that is a question which can never have an answer. As I had brought this question upon myself, please do not reply me with texts from your bibles or scriptures etc. Because I had my own share too.
Thank you.
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Applaud to you biolab00 for your discernment and your ability to keep matters separate even though you belong to the homosexual group. respect and kudos. I really like people who can separate emotions with facts.
You echo exactly what I have been saying without discrimination and I am glad that you can feel no discrimination in this discussion except COMMON SENSE. Just to summarise 3 key points.
1. Homosexualism is unnatural, we just cannot override that fact by our own whims and fancies. This definition is based on COMMON SENSE, nothing religious, only Mother Nature. And there is nothing biased about that.
2. It cannot propagate legally as a lifestyle, it will brew disaster as children will retort parents who try to discourage and use law against their parents. It will break up and destroy families who need to talk on legal terms. Family ties become badly strained. And with it coming under legal terms, it will propagate as a lifestyle, like it or not, it WILL happen, it’s human nature and biolab00 with first hand experience agreed too. He understands the aggression of the oppressed.
3. If a child is truly homosexual, parent can do exception handling and manage it from there with compassion and understanding of a child’s needs, afterall they love their child, even adopted like biolab00 mentioned. Not using law I purport, because no parents like to feel that they are pressured to accept their children’s condition based on law. It is truly not. They will support based on love.
Why are we so doubtful that human compassion exists and can manage the problems other than using the legal system that they are pushing for? -
cluelessmom:
sori....must be the effects of my insomnia suffered in the past few days. In my mind, the main contentious issue was not about \"discrimination\" and so i typed away....Dear westmom,
If u read carefully, I am replying to ks2me statement tat she don't know anyone who discriminates them other than people who keeps insisting that there is discrimination. I wld take it tat she meant in general and not wif reference to this forum. I am merely stating tat I have known of gays, on the contrary, who were discriminated and verbally abused by others and I must now hasten to add and correct, I am not refering to people in this forum . In no way I am insinuating tat the people here discriminates against gays despite not agreeing to their lifestyle, pls do not get the wrong impression. :shock: -
biolab00:
Thank you for sharing, Biolab00. I admire your courage and honesty in posting your very insightful thoughts and views.
.....Yes, homosexual is a sexual orientation and many people claim that it is something that you are born with. It is true. But that doesn't deny the fact that trauma and influence may also swing a person to lead to Homosexuality. Another human common sense, how can a person who is good-natured turned bad? Ans : Peer Pressure
......Your next question may be, if a guy or girl is not born homosexual or is not homosexual, then there should be no way to change their orientation. But If the barrier is broken and with the addition of peer pressure from aggressiveness, I firmly believe it is not impossible that homosexuality will increase and the worst outcome is to lead to bisexuality......
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Your comments above have \"kinda\" justified my concerns on the negative influences from this unnatural lifestyle” on our youngsters and the impact to our society especially in the longer term. Whatever religion one might be in, I felt that parents should play an active role in consciously shaping the minds of our young – that it is wrong and unnatural and should not be promoted. At the same time teach our kids to respect a homosexual as an individual because it may be true that “some” people are born with this inclination.
Biolab00, I wish you well and that you will have a happy and fulfilling life. Hope that one day you will be able to find “the” answer to your question... -
biolab00:
Hi biolab00, this paragraph is profoundly accurate, and more so in my life as I personally know of this one person, who was getting verbally and physically bullied by all except one of his classmates. John (not his real name) felt very rejected and hurt by the fact that all of his classmates could not like him the way he was, and even when he tried to change himself to fit the classmates views on how he could better himself.
.....Yes, homosexual is a sexual orientation and many people claim that it is something that you are born with. It is true. But that doesn't deny the fact that trauma and influence may also swing a person to lead to Homosexuality. Another human common sense, how can a person who is good-natured turned bad? Ans : Peer Pressure[/b]
After a few days, he realised that it was not working, so he thought that making himself out to be someone not \"wimpy\" would make the class seem more popular. He had seen some boys in his class do things that were not appropriate, or more likely, obscene. I do not know why, he started to do these actions to one boy.
That wasn't even the worst part. There was this incident that happened. Once, when John was going over to another person's desk, this boy he terrorised started to run away from him, as he did not like to be close to John. John had stopped his actions for a span of about a week. Suddenly, the other boy tripped over a desk, and John went to help him get up, but he wriggled away.
When another classmate helped the boy get up, he was so dazed that he tripped over a second time. That time, John went to help, but in the process, pulled the other boy's tie. When the boy had risen, he suddenly vomited.
The teachers are now talking to John and gathering information about the case. I feel so sorry that John had to be led down this path because of his classmates. Peer pressure is a nasty thing, and I hope that he will learn something from this, and learn to take things in his stride. :sad: -
Homosexuality. Very interesting topic. I also wonder whether it is nature or nurture, and also how much genes play a part.
I’ll write more later. -
Homosexuality.
I used to think they were really strange people. As other people here have pointed out, it seems to be so unnatural. As a guy, I also couldn’t understand how one can be sexually attracted to another guy. As for girls to be attracted to girls, ok fine, but still it just doesn’t seem right.
But after spending some years overseas, I suppose I’m more tolerant. It is far more open in Europe and America. And, I’ve worked with some gays/lesbians on professional or academic matters, and honestly they are sincere and capable people. Just that in the beginning, I found it a bit strange when they introduce themselves and after talking a while, they openly state they are gay or lesbian and they have a partner living with them etc etc
Increasingly it seems that some of the gays/lesbians are very creative people. Very talented individuals with many abilities to contribute to society in a positive way. Taking this perspective, it doesn’t make sense to discriminate against them.
Also, I think gays/lesbians are unlike very aggressive religious preachers. How many of us have had gays/lesbians trying to ‘convert’ you? It just doesn’t work that way.
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