Homosexuality

[WeiHan]

There seems to be alot of myth and superstitious belief about homosexuality.


Firstly, before we want to raise an opinion about something, it is better that we understand that something correctly first, at least factually. Otherwise, an opinion from a person who don’t understand the topic that he/she is talking about is automatically disqualified.

OK.lets look at the definition correctly first.

Lesbian= a female person in gender who fall in love with people of the same sex (female)
Gay= a male person in gender who falls in love with people of the same sex (male)
Bisexual =any person who has the propensity to fall in love with people of both sexes.
Tranvestite= a person who has changed his/her sex.

ok. In some posts, there seems to be a confusion. Homosexuality is not the same as transvestite.

A homosexual person is just a person who fall in love with another person of the same sex, he/she still identifies with his/her own original sex (i.e. he/she has no desire to change his/her sex).

A transvestite however, is a person who psychologically detest or even abhor his/her original sex and has different degree of desire to change his/her sex.

homosexuality is a sexual orientation. "sexual orientation" is a newly discovered biological trait in a person. It is not a choice. He/she repeatedly fall in love with people only of the same sex and it is not their choice. This is very much like heterosexual person, he/she does not choose to fall in love with person of the opposite sex, it is natural, neither does he/she has a control of who he/she will fall in love with. It is like a inner feeling that is predetermined biologically and many scientific evidences pointed towards this conclusion.

[corneyAmber]

Definitions are there to give some guidelines to the categorisation. As always we the human race love to classify, divide and generalise for our own simple understanding(but not always achieve, sometimes cause more confusion). In reality, people are not so well-defined, so it is not a confused understanding but the real world is such, not so clearly defined as we want to, especially biological make-up, you know how complex is that? Today's medicine cannot even claim to cover all. :lol:


What is real is you really need to know a group of homosexual people, then you will understand who they really are.

[WeiHan]

ks2me:

Definitions are there to give some guidelines to the categorisation. As always we the human race love to classify, divide and generalise for our own simple understanding(but not always achieve, sometimes cause more confusion). In reality, people are not so well-defined, so it is not a confused understanding but the real world is such, not so clearly defined as we want to, especially biological make-up, you know how complex is that? Today's medicine cannot even claim to cover all. :lol:


What is real is you really need to know a group of homosexual people, then you will understand who they really are.

Yah...as if they will tell you who they are since some people already call them sinners; simply pull out verses from their book to justify themselves.

[Mrsbongz]

Erm, to be fair, I think it's best to qualify that to Christians, all mankind are born sinners, not just some.. to us, yes, homosexuality is taught to be a sin.


We are all entitled to our own opinions, just as you are.. and yes I have several friends who are homosexuals.. even my own sister is one.. they know I love them just the same. If they know u will not judge them, they don see why they need to hide.. I believe it is their choice, because they have shared their struggles with me.. that is my personal opinion

I agree that Biological trait, classifications etc or not, it's just 'science'.. and science is just human understanding of the unknown...sometimes on what are these tests and thesis based on, we wouldn't know... we can all debate or have opinions, but only the Creator, whoever u believe that to be, will know.

I believe the thread starter just thought to seek forummers' opinions, nothing more.. we can still share while respecting each other's opinions rite..

[kiddo]

westmom:

kiasimom:

How do you view homosexuality?

To answer this truthfully, ask ourselves what do we want our child/kid to be? The answer is more or less there....

Homosexuality - I felt is a personal choice rather than one is born like that? Because it like the subject of cloning - is like we temper with the True Nature.

I dont condemn homsexuality but i rather pity the state of the person because they have to make choices that go against many odds in the society.
Society(which is made up of all sort of people) never seem to find a balance in life that make it easy for human being to co-exist.

I dont have any answer to this topic but is one topic that is very close to my heart because I am a parent. I cannot control some of the influence that go on around my child but i dont think I know how to handle it if i have to make a choice on this topic??
:? :gloomy:

[WeiHan]

I just feel that people don’t understand what they are talking about. You mean people struggle so much to make a choice that is disadvantages. You see the point? They know that there is prejudice and every factors are stacked against them, yet they choose to be homosexuals? Common sense will tell you that there is a strong innate biological traits that dictates his/her "so-cll choice" strongly. I am not denying that people have no choice at all, some people have a choice bcos they are bisexual.


And I want to clarify one point. Even though science does not claim to know everything but the process used by science is that of objectivity and once it is known, you can’t call it unknown anymore. Fact is that we have understood more and more thing through science. And whether, there is creator or not, we cannot stop thinking and merely attribute everything that we don’t understand to that.

You are entitled to have your own opinion even if it is against all evidences.

[3Boys]

WeiHan:

I just feel that people don't understand what they are talking about. You mean people struggle so much to make a choice that is disadvantages. You see the point? They know that there is prejudice and every factors are stacked against them, yet they choose to be homosexuals? Common sense will tell you that there is a strong innate biological traits that dictates his/her \"so-cll choice\" strongly. I am not denying that people have no choice at all, some people have a choice bcos they are bisexual.


And I want to clarify one point. Even though science does not claim to know everything but the process used by science is that of objectivity and once it is known, you can't call it unknown anymore. Fact is that we have understood more and more thing through science. And whether, there is creator or not, we cannot stop thinking and merely attribute everything that we don't understand to that.

You are entitled to have your own opinion even if it is against all evidences.

Well, yours is an oft used defence, and I disagree. And, it is not against all evidences, as you put it. Did you research this topic entirely from ground up, from an anthropological, evolutionary and theological perspective, or are you parroting the positions of the pro-gay camp, who unsurprisingly would be selective about what they put forth as 'evidence'. You state a position as if it were incontrovertible fact, well, it is not. It is a position, no more, no less. Before you cast stones, how much, dear sir, do you understand about the topic?

Do certain folk have certain propensities to certain behaviours? Of course. Some folk have a propensity to sexual addiction, some to problem gambling, some to alcoholism. Does it therefore make those behaviours excusable or allowable? I am not equating homosexual tendencies to those destructive behaviours, merely making a point that having a propensity to a certain tendency does not automatically excuse it or make it right.

We as humans are presumed to have a higher cognitive order and discerment, i.e., we don't just do what feels right at the point in time, but are able to make judgements about our feelings, actions and consequences thereof. Twin studies will show you there is concordance in MZ twins for homosexual behaviour, which is perhaps unsurprising, but the interesting fact is that there is also a high DIScordance, meaning we are not completely bound by genetics. i.e., we have a choice.

[Muffins]

Hi Kiasimom, I have actually had two experiences with these types of people, in p5, and in p6, but I still do not think that we should discriminate people due to the fact that they like people of the same gender. You should just decide on whether you are comfortable with them being your friends or not, and explain to them. Just my 2 cents worth.

[WeiHan]

3Boys:

Well, yours is an oft used defence, and I disagree. And, it is not against all evidences, as you put it. Did you research this topic entirely from ground up, from an anthropological, evolutionary and theological perspective, or are you parroting the positions of the pro-gay camp, who unsurprisingly would be selective about what they put forth as 'evidence'. You state a position as if it were incontrovertible fact, well, it is not. It is a position, no more, no less. Before you cast stones, how much, dear sir, do you understand about the topic?

Do certain folk have certain propensities to certain behaviours? Of course. Some folk have a propensity to sexual addiction, some to problem gambling, some to alcoholism. Does it therefore make those behaviours excusable or allowable? I am not equating homosexual tendencies to those destructive behaviours, merely making a point that having a propensity to a certain tendency does not automatically excuse it or make it right.

We as humans are presumed to have a higher cognitive order and discerment, i.e., we don't just do what feels right at the point in time, but are able to make judgements about our feelings, actions and consequences thereof. Twin studies will show you there is concordance in MZ twins for homosexual behaviour, which is perhaps unsurprising, but the interesting fact is that there is also a high DIScordance, meaning we are not completely bound by genetics. i.e., we have a choice.

I do know more than the twin studies that pointed to the biological basis for homosexuality including brain structure studies etc..And I have to clarify one common mistake including you that are making. By biological, it is not necessarily genetical.

Your logic that discordance in twin studies implies that we have a choice is flawed. Those discordance cases that showed that the other twin sibling isn't homosexuals. They didn't make any choice to be straight.

[corneyAmber]

Wei Han, theoretical discussion can only get us so far… If you know any homosexual friends, perhaps it can shed better light.