Gardenia64,

Thanks for your advice, however I am not applying for med school.
I know the challenges for student preparing for Med school application and the demand and the differences between both the 5 years and the 4+4 years routes.

The need to try to get a prefect post secondary score, preparing for final post secondary exams while at the same time preparing for BMAT. Some students may have great pressure while others may have a slight advantage due to the timing of both. BMAT is quite challenging. Read somewhere there are students who take 1 year to prepare for BMAT.

Preparing personal statement ( which include seeking the right people to review your personal statement) and seek suitable people who can write recommendation letters for you.

Anyway good luck to you or your DC. Enjoy the pre clinical and clinical.

Regards

panickymum wrote: ↑

Tue May 07, 2019 9:00 am
Take heart
Even 100% Singaporeans with swords of honour, multiple NS awards are rejected
I am not sure about Med, but it is quite tough for PR and Foreigners in other courses too.
However,
A girl I kn with 2 A a B is in medicine. She did 3H2. Not very outstanding CCA, just a council member. But she is a very pretty Singaporean pan Asian : )
So sometimes I do wonder what exactly is the criteria for Medicine these days.
Yes, it is very depressing for someone who work hard in academic and cca and cannot afford to go overseas for medicine.
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Panickymummy,
It is sad to hear that NS man has so much rewards rejected by NUS/NTU medicine school. I suggest the child can apply nus medicine next year through EIS.
Did he apply LKC this year ? If not, he can take the BMAT and apply LKC next year.
Actually being a doctor need to have a heart for patients and really think of the patients need no matter whether patient is rich or poor.

For Med school applicants, most of them have excellent academic results and med school have vast pool of candidates to choose. Post secondary academic results only demonstrate the candidate academic background and ability to undertake medical study which is very demanding.

Next the schools are looking for candidates who really want to be a doctors ( not candidate that try their luck) and can be good doctors in the future. Hence all the other requires /tests come in. YLL SJT and FSA; NTU BMAT and MMI; your CCA , awards, references and personal statement.


For a candidate that demonstrate a military general potential, the chances is that he will be turn down. While a acceptable candidate who can strongly demonstrate the quality of a good doctor and want to be a doctor via tests / interview / CCA and references stands a better chance of been accepted whether the candidate is a 100% Singaporean for PR.

Also, don’t stain yourself with police record or Hep B.

On LKC Imperial stint, all final year students have to made 2 elective choices, 1 local and 1 overseas, beside opportunities in Imperial ( may not be able to take all students in the cohort) students can apply to other overseas medical schools/ hospitals or specialised medical institutions. Medical electives are between 4 to 6 weeks to my knowledge.

Hope my opinion help.

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Thanks for the sharing! Does sound very competitive. DS will have to work hard for what he wants

Hi, Graduating with a strong CAP is just only 1 factor. Your DS need to develop a strong interest in medicine, the right aptitude, attitude. The whole application process is design to screen out those opportunistic applicants and those that do not possess the quality required of a good doctor.

BMAT paper 1 is IQ / logical questions, paper 2 is 3 sciences and maths. Paper 3 is agumentative written paper on any subject, most like a social technical subject.

Currently LKC MMI has 8 stations, NUS 2 tests are quite similar to MMI.

Do not get stainned with anypolice record or infestious dieases like HepB.

Best wishes

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bluebellas\" post_id=\"1905097\" time=\"1554425286\" user_id=\"32548:

Anyone knows which sciences shd the kids choose to specialise in if they hv intention to try for med in Uni?

If you are talking about being a NUSH candidate for local medicine, Majors at honours level the basic triple science subjects i.e Physics, Biology, and Chemistry.

You are competing among the best of your NUSH peers for a medicine slot in NUS and NTU (not other A-level folks)

Chemistry is not enough. Biology is a must. Hard to think about taking medicine without Biology. Physics mean that you are an all-rounder.

In both NUS YLLSoM and NTU LKCSom website, both schools listed only 2 sciences are required; chemistry + either biology or Physics.

You need to know all the stages in their application. For LKC SoM, during submission, beside the post secondary results requirement, you also need to submit the BMAT test results. BMAT initially was adopted by Cambridge, Oxford, UCL and Imperial, subsequently LKCSoM. Now are few more UK uni and overseas uni also require BMAT.

BMAT has 3 papers and paper 2 test on Chemistry, Physics and Biology. In Med Schools pre clinical years, Biochemistry and Physiology ( biology ) knowledge are required.

As only 2 sciences are required, not extra points are given for the 3 science during the first stage selection.
For LKCSoM, the second stage is the MMI, based on past years,of all the initial applicants, about half will be selected to attend the MMI and subsequently about 25 % will be intially offered places.

For YLL SoM, after the initally application, certain percentage of the best candidates will be selected to take the FSA and SJT. points will be awarded to each stages of the selection, those with highest sores will offered until all places are filled

For both local schools, most of the applicants ( A level, NUSH, IB) have perfect if not close to perfect academic score. To enhance applicants own profiles, applicants take up job shadowing in hospitals, do medical related ARP and CIP.
certains points are given. For personal statement, do not copy others, there are software to detect copies.

Above is a brief, If child intend to try medical school, find out in detail,understand each uni application and selection processes and plan in advance.

ryka:

abhcbl:

[quote=\"57dolphin\"]
Hi abhcbl
Your normal average students, are you referring to national average or NUSH average ?
To be able to get a into NUSH, the students are not national average students.

My personal understanding, NUSH first round test the basic foundation in Mathematics, Science and English. The second round, the school look for students with strong interest in STEM and other criteria like team work, discipline, self development and etc. Basically looking for students that can do well in the NUSH system. Now admission is 100% DSA via the same 2 rounds of selection. There is no admission by other domains. Hence the cohort is more homogeneous. The gap between students would be very small. The school therefore is able to design their program to suit this smaller cohort of selected students.

For year 2015, the results are 54% high distinction, 31% distinction, 15% Merit and Pass. Some students score perfect graduation CAP of 5.0. For students taking the AP exams, all most all the students score 5/5 for various subjects, mostly in various Mathematics, biology, Chemistry and various Physics subjects.

Hence most of the students will benefit from the school programs and opportunities, both academic and non academic.

Hope this help

Hi 57dolphin,

This is really helpful. Yes, I meant average student in NUSH. Attended the preview session, sound very interesting and tempting ... the acceleration, international exposure, and etc. And also the individualized program and no 'A' level. But also understand that it is normal for any school to put more resources on their top students or students who could win them medals, so also concern on what are the support that an average students in the school get.

It is always tough when comparing a new system like NUSH with the other very established IP schools ... at one end worry that what if DC become an average students (so like a fallback plan), but at the other end, also worry the support available if DC could become top in some stuff (will there be sufficient support, chances to go top international universities, likelihood to get scholarship which usually focus more on all rounded students), and not to mention the concern if DC decided to deviate from Math and Science.

Let me share my DC experience.
My DC is always an average or just slightly above average student in his MS primary school. He loves math and science subjects but his overall always being pulled down by his weakness in language subjects. I believe DC came to NUSH as one of their lowest PSLE scorer in his cohort (DC will not be able to enter any IP school with his PSLE score). Thus, our expectation for DC is simple, to stay afloat only in school.
Fortunately, for almost the past 2 years, we could see how DC blooms in NUSH. We witnessed that he grows from strength to strength with all the opportunities provided by the school. As highlighted by other forummer, small cohort in NUSH means more opportunities for students be it superior or just average students. If DC was to enter another traditional IP school which also gave him offer, likely he would be in the “last class” and we guessed opportunities would also be limited.
We viewed NUSH as a very fair school, did my DC got any acceleration last year? No. But we were satisfied, because they gave him a fair chance to take the test. He can’t pass the test because his standard not there yet.
This year DC managed to secure place for multiple Olympiad modules (he has to choose!), something that we never expect him to acheive just over a year ago. We could see that his placement in some Olympiad competition also improving, all of these we attributed to the guidance from the school teachers since DC has no tuition outside.[/quote]Hi abhcbl,
You have e few concerns, I will try my best to share what I know and hope you have a better understanding of NUSH.
The minimum NUSH requirement to graduate is for student to take 2 science subjects, 1 mathematics, meet MOE 2nd language requirement, the English paper, a Advanced Research Project (ARP) in any STEM area and 1 individual project . The individual project can be on any subject include humanity. On top of that, sutdents can take on a humanity or Art or Music major. Students dont need to take all Maths and Science subjects.

As you can see from 2015 results most of the students are distinction and high distinction students. Most of the students entering NUSH are highly motivated, the key is for them to development their prefer study metholody, time management and maybe good to pick up 1 -2 destressing skills. There are lots of opportunities and students have the tendency to over commit themshelves. Sometime programme clashed and time are limited.

As each year cohort are small, there are many opportunities for self development in non academic skills like organisation, leadership, event management and stage expereince. Hence students are not restricted to maths and sciences.

Every year, NUSH programme have different focus area, in year 5 its is about research and year 6 is about preparing for univeristy admission. Its about participating in the school research congress, science fair, taking AP, SAT, BMAT, writing personal statement, selected for invitation round for uni scholarships. lots of help are available from school teachers and seniors that have graduated. All the local uni and some established international universities will come to NUSH to promote thier uni.

The school system is fair, all students will have equal opportunties to prove themshelves. For those highly talent in certain subjects, the school will help them to further their interest. During 1 past open house, Dr Hung shared how the school help to advance the student interest in high voltage electricity, intially provided him with equipment in school, later connect him to a research organisation.

As only 170+ NUSH Diploma are issued every, participation and wining medals is 1 of the means to benchmark NUSH standards. The other is the AP exams.

Maybe you can PM some grand master in this forum, they may have some other good information to share with you.

Regards and Best Wishes to your DC.

abhcbl:

57dolphin:

[quote=\"abhcbl\"]Wondering if any existing parents could help. Heard about all the benefit of acceleration and individualize program, and example given for some of the top students during the preview session. Wondering is this only available to maybe the top 10% of the cohort (or it is for everyone).


I believe the parents of those in the top 10% will be very happy with the school. But trying to hear more from the mid or average students... what is it like? do they enjoy the school? Does the school still support them on individualized studies plan and etc? Do they have the opportunity, for example, to go to MIT and etc?

Thanks in advance

Hi abhcbl,
Going to MIT! It is the Centre of Education Excellence Research Science Institute program offer under MOE OSAP. Every year, think max, 6 Singaporean are given the chance, NUSH year 5 / JC 1 students. It is a 6 weeks program between end June to 1st week August. It is a fully paid/sponsored. For for NUSH students, they still need to complete all the term assignments/ tests and examinations even they attend the program. Can be very demanding for NUSH students if they take 2 honours. However the program is very beneficial, students get the chance to dine with Nobel Laureate /CEO of top companies, attached to research program of their choice if RSI can match up the students choice in Boston area. Attend lectures by eminent professors and senior company executives.

All those who apply for the program have to be screened and interviewed by MOE.

Hope this give you any insight.

Thanks 57 Dolphin for the information. I guess that is not for the normal average students then.

Trying to find out like how an average student in NUSH could benefit from the system or will it be better for them to be other schools like RI, HCI, RGS, NYGH, ACSI, DH, VS, or CH.[/quote]Hi abhcbl
Your normal average students, are you referring to national average or NUSH average ?
To be able to get a into NUSH, the students are not national average students.

My personal understanding, NUSH first round test the basic foundation in Mathematics, Science and English. The second round, the school look for students with strong interest in STEM and other criteria like team work, discipline, self development and etc. Basically looking for students that can do well in the NUSH system. Now admission is 100% DSA via the same 2 rounds of selection. There is no admission by other domains. Hence the cohort is more homogeneous. The gap between students would be very small. The school therefore is able to design their program to suit this smaller cohort of selected students.

For year 2015, the results are 54% high distinction, 31% distinction, 15% Merit and Pass. Some students score perfect graduation CAP of 5.0. For students taking the AP exams, all most all the students score 5/5 for various subjects, mostly in various Mathematics, biology, Chemistry and various Physics subjects.

Hence most of the students will benefit from the school programs and opportunities, both academic and non academic.

Hope this help

abhcbl:

Wondering if any existing parents could help. Heard about all the benefit of acceleration and individualize program, and example given for some of the top students during the preview session. Wondering is this only available to maybe the top 10% of the cohort (or it is for everyone).


I believe the parents of those in the top 10% will be very happy with the school. But trying to hear more from the mid or average students... what is it like? do they enjoy the school? Does the school still support them on individualized studies plan and etc? Do they have the opportunity, for example, to go to MIT and etc?

Thanks in advance

Hi abhcbl,
Going to MIT! It is the Centre of Education Excellence Research Science Institute program offer under MOE OSAP. Every year, think max, 6 Singaporean are given the chance, NUSH year 5 / JC 1 students. It is a 6 weeks program between end June to 1st week August. It is a fully paid/sponsored. For for NUSH students, they still need to complete all the term assignments/ tests and examinations even they attend the program. Can be very demanding for NUSH students if they take 2 honours. However the program is very beneficial, students get the chance to dine with Nobel Laureate /CEO of top companies, attached to research program of their choice if RSI can match up the students choice in Boston area. Attend lectures by eminent professors and senior company executives.

All those who apply for the program have to be screened and interviewed by MOE.

Hope this give you any insight.

ksraja69:

petrichor:

[quote=\"Karen21\"]Hi, My DD wants to transfer school to NUS High very badly. She is in Secondary 2 next year and enjoys math and science, but the problem is that her results in Sec 1 are not as high for a strong applicant for NUS high for a math and science school. Her PSLE scores are also quite average(241) with an A in math and science. Is there any way I can help her?? She seems very willing.. is it also possible if a non IP school girl get into NUS high as well? :xedfingers:

hi! i hv a few friends from non-IP schools that joined NUSH in yr3 and they are coping very well! the admission procedure is a written test followed by a selection interview so i would recommend that your child display her passion in math & science by taking part in olympiads/competitions to basically build up her portfolio.

in the event that she is accepted into NUSH, she will have to take bridging modules that teach the fundamentals and allow her to catch up with the school's syllabus (a strong foundation is needed because the gap between year 1/2 and 3 is quite large!). if these modules are managed well i think she will be able to cope with the transition!

Is there any Math / Science olympiad suitable for Sec1 students?
TIA[/quote]Can take AMC 8 ( American Mathematics Competition) and Singapore Maths Olympiad Junior Section. The Junior Sciences Olympiads could be demanding if students did not attend training classes.

Justdoit123:

My DS just got confirmation to go NUS High. Any of your kids go NUS High and regretted ? How many % stress level higher than taking A Level?

Hi,
NUS High and A level are two different grading system. How many % of stress depends on how much you want to stretch yourself and a which stage of the 6 years.

As matarepy said, if you DS is selected, NUSH believed he has the abilities to do well. As a preferred IP school, all available programmes / opportunities to other IP schools are also available to NUSH. Since NUSH only accept a small cohort each year, the opportunities are far greater for each student compared to other IP schools. Hence if students attempt to stretch themselves to the max, the greater is the stress level due to time limitation not programme or opportunities vigour.

From foundation to the advanced stage, there will be a step jump in academic vigour. At specialisation stage (yr5&6) depend on your selection, the final 2 years can be relaxing compared to doing A level. If students select to meet the minimum requirement, they only need to do majors in Maths, 2 sciences, English ( basically GP ) and their ARP n 1 IRP.
For MOE Humanity requirement by yr 4, students have met requirement and presume also completed their MTL requirement. Some student need to go to school for 3 to 4 days a week.

If students takes with honours, they have to take the subject required major modules plus additional honours modules within the same stage period. Hence if you maths with honours, basically you are take 2 maths subjects.

The amount NUSH students stretches themselves can be amazing. they have 1 CCA, 1 subject interest group, more than 1 olypmpiads, involve in CIP and leadership roles within the CCA & interest group n other external programmes like MOE GEP.
programmes.

As NUSH grading is continuous assessment, student cannot wait till the final year to \"chong\". basically for NUSH students, the can predict their graduation CAP by yr 4. all other activities they take up are to explore, experiment and eventually allow to excel in their interest.

DC completed nush not too long ago, enjoy and never regard but do have some high stress level in year 3 and 5. DC has too much on the plate during those 2 yrs.

NUSH do encourge student to take the American Advanced Placement examination, usually take various subject between yr 5 & 6, those that take 5 subjects will be awarded a AP international Diploma. NUSH students do very well in this AP examination.

Hope this give a good overview.

Lenient mummy:

Thanks tankee. May i know how and when they will inform us? It is not stated in eligibility letter :sad:

Hi, During DC time, which was a few years ago, MOE send letter of EESIS, higher mother n 3rd language eligibility in end Nov after PSLE results.