Just came back from a good dinner to celebrate my daughter’s school posting. We are happy with our girl’s St Nick posting as we really like the school and it is just 3 bus stops away from our home.


On the whole idea of IP vs OP, I think perhaps MOE can set a COP for IP in the same way as Third Language, e.g. AL8. Students who meet the IP COP will be admitted to IP as long as they can find a school that offers this program. In this way, there will not be the scenario that Girl A with AL 8 gets admitted into SCGS IP while another girl with same score gets admitted into SCGS OP.

I understand some parents are trying to help explain the MOE logic and intention in this forum. But again, this is a new system, and just as parents are expected to understand and adjust to it, but shouldn’t MOE review whether there is any space for refinement?

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Understandable for u to be upset becos u didnt get wat u want.
But if IP track is the most important factor, u could have put in DHS, TJC, RV in the 3rd-5th choices.
MOE cannot satisfy everyone for sure.

Distance is important. The child cannot be going round the whole island twice a day.
So the question again, to MOE, is why a girl with AL8 goes to IP, and another with similar score goes to O level in the same school, as in the case for SCGS?
We are Singaporeans.

For clarification, we are happy with the posting, but the posting criteria and results do not make sense, to us as parents and to the children.

MOE cannot satisfy everyone for sure. -> Disagree. They need to come out with a policy which makes sense to students and parents.

AL 8M


1st choice - SCGS IP
2nd choice - Cedar Girls IP
3rd choice - St Nicholas O level

Results - St Nicholas O level
Question to MOE - How can you determine whether a student qualifies for O level or IP track based on balloting? Does it make sense to the student?

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if it's true then:
250+ can range from 12.9% in 2018 to 10% in 2019;
240+ from 35% in 2018 to 23% in 2019.
That means the number of AL8 to AL12 will fluctuate a lot from year to year?

Don't worry, the figures are likely to be wrong. In the old way of PSLE T-Score, if there are 40,000 students, then the 20,000th student will have a T-score of 200. The figure for 2018 is definitely wrong.

Cumulative % holders of AL 4 and AL 5 = 6.86% + 6.05% = 12.91%


I rebase this to 3%, hence divide by a factor of 4.3. (i.e. 12.91% divide by 4.3% = 3%)

Cross check - Cumulative % holders till AL8 = 38.04%, divide by 4.3, is about 8.84 %

So to divide by a factor of 4.3 is to correct the skewed results. This is just my way, no mathematical principle behind. That’s why I said divide by 4 earlier for simplicity.

Thanks for preparing the poll. The results are skewed because the parents who participated in the poll would be the more concerned ones. AL4 and AL5 are definitely the top 3% of the cohort because these are the ones awarded with ESIS. For simplicity, I have simply divided by a factor of 4, for my purpose of computing where my DD stand against the cohort.


Total holders of AL4 and 5, you divide by a factor of 4, it is somewhere near 3%.
Total holders of AL8 or below (i.e. eligible for 3rd language), you divide by a factor of 4, it is somewhere near 10% which is within expectation.

I am still curious, for each subject, whether MOE imposes a bell shaped curve or not. I think in future years when such poll is gathered, compiling the per subject AL would be useful information for parents of future batches of PSLE students.

Hi, parents.


If your child is eligible for Edusave scholarships for Independent Schools (ESIS), can you share what is the total points of your child? This can be used to gauge the COP of top schools. Thank you.

My personal take is that MOE will be sensitive not to shrink the ESIS pool under the new AL scheme, i.e. more students will qualify for ESIS.


This means, whereas all ESIS eligible students will qualify for the top 4 schools in the past, under new system, all ESIS eligible students will be offered a position (AL4 or 5) OR a ballot ticket (AL 6).

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In the past, they had the ability to slice the cohort very thinly at whatever cutoff they deemed fit for ESIS (it is still not clear to me how they know who will chose independent school although I’m sure the historical data was fairly stable). The difference this year is that we do now know exactly how ESIS is being awarded. For example, if Top 1/3 is somewhere in AL6, do they round it down to AL5 and have only top 30% (vs. 1/3 = 33.33%)? Or give it to all AL6 and have it extend meaningfully beyond 1/3 = 33.33%? To me, there is no "high AL6" and "low AL6" to discriminate.

The general idea of adding +1, +2, or +3 AL levels as applicable (at least within IP) is probably not that far off. But unless we know exactly how ESIS was awarded it could imply odds that are slightly different from what some may assume.
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For parents wondering whether his/her DC can qualify for RI / RGS / NYGS / HCI, the Edusave Scholarships for Independent Schools (ESIS) will be a good reference point. ESIS is offered to top one-third students who are eligible for Independent Schools. In past years under T-score scheme, the cut-off for ESIS is often very close to the COP for these 4 top schools.


I think once we "lock down" the COP for the top 4 schools, we can add incremental AL points to other schools based on the 2020 COP published by MOE, e.g. SCGS COP will be ESIS cut-off + 2 (because COP of RI & RGS is 6 while that of SCGS is 8 in 2020). This could be a possible methodology to make some sense from the black box.

Let’s share information on the lowest ESIS score in this forum on PSLE results day.

iRabbit:

ConfirmedNotGifted:

HCI divides its WL into WL1 and WL2. For those on WL1, HCI guarantees that the students will be admitted. For WL2, HCI does not guarantee, but based on historical statistics, there is a very high chance the student will be admitted.


But the catch is that all students will need to indicate HCI as their first choice in their DSA selection application.

Thanks for taking the time to explain the rationale for WL1/2. Much appreciated.

Would the no-appeal-if-below-COP rule implemented last year affect those in WL2? I wonder if those in WL2 who are not converted to CO during sch preference stage can still appeal thru similar process as in previous years.

I believe the appeal is against DSA posting results (to be submitted on the PSLE cum DSA results release date, in Nov) and not against Secondary School Posting Exercise results, in late Dec). In Nov, COP is not known yet. But please check with HCI during the briefing for parents.