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    • RE: All About ABRSM Grades & Support

      kylene:
      Hello,

      DS has been learning violin for about 1.5 years. Recently, his teacher said he can take his exams in March next year . She has however asked us to decide between grade 2 and 3. Her opinion is that he can easily do grade 2 and grade 3 is doable with more practice . I'm not sure what to do as I don't have any experience with music exams . And advice would be appreciated. Thanks !

      Hi Kylene

      You have posed a very difficult question. Even if our children have had experience with music exams, it is hard for us to know what you should do because your child would be different from ours. The best thing for you to do is to discuss with your son's teacher and then to trust her. Do bring up your concerns with her as well as what your goals/expectations for the exam are. Your son's teacher would know best as she has worked with him for 1.5years. However, if you still have doubts about the teacher's opinion, perhaps seek another teacher's opinion? This would probably involve you paying for one or two lessons with the other teacher so that he/she can assess your DS's readiness for G2 or G3 or even for any exam at all.

      posted in Music
      J
      joyofmusic
    • RE: All About Choosing Piano Schools And Teachers

      Dreamaurora:
      Kee Kor:

      Got a question and hope someone can enlightened me. Does piano teachers play out the songs they are teaching to their pupils? Or they can still teach well if they don't have mastery of certain pieces?


      Of course, being able to demonstrate well is an important aspect of good teaching. Now, this does not mean a teacher must be able to sight-read and perform 100% perfect a complete piece in lessons, but at least the teacher must be able to demonstrate select passages well enough with the details or insights the teacher want the student to learn. A student's playing ability will be limited by the level of musical proficiency of the teacher. This may not manifest in the lower grades yet as the pieces are still rather straightforward and still possible to get distinctions even the pieces are not played very musically. But for higher grades (5-8), the student will be expected to have insights beyond what is printed on the page, and this is where having a teacher who can play very well will be necessary to secure those distinctions. There is a saying that not all good performers will be good teachers, BUT all good teachers are good performers.

      The breadth of piano repertoire is so wide that it is impossible to know everything, I would say 90% of repertoire I teach my students I have not personally worked on myself. This is why some teachers always assign the exact same exam pieces for their students rather than letting them freely choose. A good teacher can still teach well a piece he/she has never played before by drawing insights from other similar pieces he/she has played before.


      I came across a blog post that sums it up \" A good teacher though, is a totally different ball game. In my opinion, a good teacher has to first be a good performer, because, after all, he is teaching a performing art; so, if he doesn’t know how to perform something how is he going to teach it? However, bear in mind that knowledge of music and ability to communicate it to people are vastly different.\"


      The whole post and the link:
      A great performer is not necessarily a great teacher: Myth or fact?
      Posted on June 2, 2013 by Nikolaos — No Comments ↓
      [HELLO-IN-ALL-LANGUAGES]!
      So… if you are a “bad” performer that means you are a great teacher? Well, let’s not oversimplify things… It’s not really black or white.
      To start, we have two sides; the performer’s side and the teacher’s side. Let’s see what is happening in their lives.
      Let’s quickly define (as if that’s even possible) both first. The great performer is naturally doing concerts all over the world. It goes without saying that he is a virtuoso*, and that’s why he is considered great, however, mostly to gullible non-musicians. As a result, this type of musician has limited time to enlighten the young and learning people.
      The teacher, or the one who makes his living mostly by teaching, is the person that is NOT, most of the time, a virtuoso; otherwise, he would have just given concerts all over the place to celebrate his talent. (You wouldn’t call Vladimir Horowitz a teacher, would you? Even though he has taught during his illustrious career); let’s stop kidding ourselves here for a second, please. At the same time, a teacher might or might not be a very competent performer – it doesn’t matter; remember also, that there are different levels of teaching abilities and, unfortunately, in this world anyone can teach an instrument even without formal qualifications.
      A good teacher though, is a totally different ball game. In my opinion, a good teacher has to first be a good performer, because, after all, he is teaching a performing art; so, if he doesn’t know how to perform something how is he going to teach it? However, bear in mind that knowledge of music and ability to communicate it to people are vastly different.
      So, let me elaborate by taking for example the scale of C major. There are a few possibilities for a teacher:
      1. The teacher can play it correctly, can find the student’s weaknesses, and can demonstrate it correctly.
      2. The teacher can play it correctly, but cannot find the student’s weaknesses to correct.
      3. The teacher can’t play it correctly, but can find the student’s weaknesses, and can correct them.
      4. The teacher can’t play it correctly, knows how it should sound though, but doesn’t teach correctly.
      5. The teacher can’t play it correctly, cannot find the student’s weaknesses, and doesn’t know how to teach them.
      Therefore, sometimes we can see brilliant teachers, that have great relationship with students and can communicate their knowledge wonderfully, however, their lack of the pragmatic depth of the piano can give away their pianistic ignorance. So, their skill, per se, in knowing HOW to teach something might not be enough in recognising them as great teachers. At the same time though, technical knowledge is not the only prerequisite of a great teacher.
      Performers, on the other hand, are responsible for their own skills and body. And for this reason, in many instances, they haven’t learned how to be “responsible” for other people’s skills and body. So, even though they can perceive and do things greatly themselves, they often haven’t “practiced” in explaining those things successfully to others. So, for instance, a virtuoso pianist may know very well how to play a scale, however, he might not be able to describe to the student how to play that scale, because he just does it naturally and hasn’t really thought for a long time about the mechanics of the hand and fingers. Still, he will, in all probability, be able to hear the “wrongness” in a performance of an inferior performer to himself.
      As with the teacher above, let’s see what is happening with the virtuoso (or great performer) by taking as an example the C major again:
      1. The virtuoso can play it correctly, can see/hear the weaknesses of a student, and can correct them.
      2. The virtuoso can play it correctly, can see/hear the weaknesses of a student, but cannot correct them efficiently.
      So, I believe that, more often than not, a virtuoso will be able to identify a student’s weaknesses. However, this doesn’t mean that he can correct them efficiently.
      So, to recap:
      Keep practising and keep performing, because this will make you a better teacher? I think, yes.
      *Virtuoso: The person who performs super-fastly, with minimum mistakes. He often possesses the rest of the… “unavoidable” and “yawning” for him musical necessities, such as correct tone, intended articulations, respect of composer and style. In the case of singers, he sings mostly repertoire above 90 decibels and has a pompous expression at all times.
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      http://www.pianopractising.com/a-great- ... h-or-fact/

      posted in Music
      J
      joyofmusic
    • RE: All About ABRSM Grades & Support

      cse1217:
      Keara Adara:

      Hi

      Couple of a quick questions:

      How many different types of examinations are there? I know about theory and practical, and apparently I can drop theory after g5, and still be able to do a diploma in piano? Other than those two, there are no other types... Right?

      Also, does a diploma take especially long to get? Eg, if I take one year to get from grade 7 to grade 8, would it be the same for g8 to diploma or would it take substantially longer to get than to progress from grade to grade?

      TIA 🙂

      There are practical and theory exams. Yes you can drop grade 5 theory and still continue to take diploma. Diploma typically takes around 1.5- 2 years or even longer to get. But it depends on individual. Whether they pass the exam on the first try. Yes it is substantially more challenging from grade 8 to diploma as compared from grade to grade.

      You need to play at around 30-35 mins for diploma exam. Normally grade 8 pieces estimate to take about 11-14 mins.


      Keara Adara, if you are serious about music, to the extent of wanting to pursue it at university, please don't drop out of theory lessons after grade 5. Knowledge of music theory will be to your advantage in your tertiary studies.

      posted in Music
      J
      joyofmusic
    • RE: All About ABRSM Grades & Support

      I knew a HK guy who successfully auditioned to the music faculty in an overseas university even though he had only a G4 ABRSM cert. At the same time, a Singaporean friend with a Trinity Diploma failed to secure a place in the same uni and same cohort as the guy. So, I believe it is how well you can play and not the grade obtained that matters. As what Dreamaurora has mentioned in the previous post, one needs to be playing at diploma level well in order to pass the audition. It isn’t the cert/grade that matters.It is how well you can actually play which will be demonstrated at the audition.

      posted in Music
      J
      joyofmusic
    • RE: What is your aim of learning piano?

      hersheys:
      sigh! my gal also loves playing the piano but most of the piano teachers r very strict, stern and shows no patience at all to my extremely reserve gal and they dun seem to hv any passion, they are just teaching as this is just part of their job so I guess this does not motivate my gal. maybe it is just my gal's problem...in any case, sadly, we hv removed her from piano lessons and will start on ukulele in Nov. Hopefully it will be a fun class and she will enjoy it. come one, music is for leisure, what for being to stern and strict?


      My daughter, who is 15, also appears to love to play the piano. However, just like your gal, she doesn't seem to be motivated to go through the regiment of a disciplined routine. After doing the ABRSM Grade 3, about 4 years ago, I decided to allow her to learn just for fun and leisure. She is still learning Classical piano but with no pressure of exams and I notice she prefers to play non-classical (learn on her own) like this recent video of her: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egdmmn0 ... 82cpq6q7LQ

      For years, I was hoping she would WANT to learn piano seriously. All the scoldings and the fightings failed to motivate her. Being nice and bringing her to concerts and masterclasses also has not worked in getting her to develop the kind of passion needed for serious study. I still have to beg her to practise. And the first 15 min of practise will be spent playing all these songs that she likes. At most she will practise another 15 min more on what her teacher assigns her!

      posted in Music
      J
      joyofmusic
    • RE: All About Violin Classes and Teachers

      dasalo:
      Quincywang345:

      My daughter managed to achieve grade 5 distinction (141/150) from zero in just 1.5 year and working with good progress towards her grade 8. She of course worked very hard for it but without her teacher's guidance to build a very strong foundation and introduce all effective routines, it will never be possible to achieve in such a short period. Highly recommended, dunno if I should post his number here, but should be able to see his blog by searching alexviolinstudio on google


      Congratulations on your dd's grade 5 distinction. :rahrah:
      Good for you that he works well with your daughter. Sadly, not for my friend.


      Dasalo, would you care to elaborate about your friend's experience? What in particular didn't work with this teacher?

      posted in Music
      J
      joyofmusic
    • RE: All About Piano Lesson Costs

      Hmm… piano lessons can be quite expensive


      I found pianoteacherssingapore.com and my teacher is really good… mine is private piano lesson so im not sure how good the lessons really are in grps tho



      Hi jinrui

      I just checked out that website and find it very difficult to get any information about the lessons or the teacher. The articles are written in extremely poor English and are thus very difficult to comprehend. The poor English and lack of info make me hesitant about getting a teacher from there. But I am glad that you have a good teacher. What is the teacher’s name? Are there many teachers in that school?

      posted in Music
      J
      joyofmusic
    • RE: All About Choosing Piano Schools And Teachers

      Masterwork Classics?

      posted in Music
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      joyofmusic
    • RE: All About Choosing Piano Schools And Teachers

      Thanks Dreamaurora for your input too! Thanks for educating all parents out here the importance of starting out right - with a good teacher. I believe it will save a child the pain of having to unlearn and relearn should they move on. Also, all too many who are actually musical quit when they reach a road block due to poor teaching, when all they need is a proper instruction.

      posted in Music
      J
      joyofmusic
    • RE: All About Choosing Piano Schools And Teachers

      Thanks ipiano1980 for your detailed clarification. All you have said makes perfect sense. I too believe in getting a good teacher right from the start. However, parents with limited musical knowledge will still find it difficult to select a teacher just from watching the videos. Any advice for such parents?

      posted in Music
      J
      joyofmusic
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