excellent!


I'm glad that Singapore is a gracious society after all! :rahrah:

CayennePepper:

Melodies:

CayennePepper

R u willing to give up the few top JCs and settle with second tier JC?
R u willing to support the idea of competing based on PSLE results for top IP schools?


[quote=\"CayennePepper\"]For heaven's sake, why are so many parents fixated on getting into a few JCs?!

Here's a FACT -- more than one in four students from each Primary One cohort obtains a place in one of Singapore’s publicly-funded universities.*

Check out the number of university intakes each year versus the number of students in JCs.

Do the math.

* Refer:
http://www.moe.gov.sg/feedback/2011/committee-on-university-education-pathways-beyond-2015/singapore-university-landscape/

CayennePepper actually doesn't care one way or other, believe it or not. :evil:
To her, education is not about competition. And she is confident that her kids will get educated in whichever institution they end up in. Cos, you know, all schools are EQUAL! (or is it GOOD huh).
:rahrah:[/quote]

CayennePepper


R u willing to give up the few top JCs and settle with second tier JC?
R u willing to support the idea of competing based on PSLE results for top IP schools?
R u willing to support the idea of getting rid of DSA for GEP domains?
R u willing to support that everyone should compete based on the same ground?

己所不欲，勿施于人

CayennePepper:

For heaven's sake, why are so many parents fixated on getting into a few JCs?!

Here's a FACT -- more than one in four students from each Primary One cohort obtains a place in one of Singapore’s publicly-funded universities.*

Check out the number of university intakes each year versus the number of students in JCs.

Do the math.

* Refer:
http://www.moe.gov.sg/feedback/2011/committee-on-university-education-pathways-beyond-2015/singapore-university-landscape/

atutor2001:

jtoh:

I'm well aware of the situation of IP schools. Are you? Do you know the number of vacancies available at each JC for O level intake? The number of vacancies available at these top JCs number in the HUNDREDS EACH, as much as other JCs which have affliated students or who are not IP. In other words, there are plenty of vacancies at these top JCs. You just have to be the best to get in bec all the top O students want in as well.

The figure is no secret. However, you may have reservation to reveal because of .... Anyway, I remembered it is something like 400, 400, 400 for ... About 100 goes to DSA, leaving about 300 for O level results. Correct me if I am wrong.

So the ratio is 1:3 for DSA/IP versus O level students respectively in those top schools.

DSA is <10% of total population
O level is > 90% of total population

>90% population is fighting for 30% vacancies in top schools!

No wonder some think competition for O level students are :yikes: for those top schools and feel that it is unfair for those late boomers because GEPper got in the top schools through DSA and have the immunity for PSLE & O level competitions and called for getting rid of this 'immunity'.

Did I have the whole picture now? Correct me if I got it wrong?

Any official website published that one thirdth of all students in IS school is 3%, approximately?

Why everyone has this impression?

wonderm:

Melodies:

Are you saying 'The number of vacancies available at these top JCs number in the HUNDREDS EACH for those O level students to get into these top JCs (then, will be thousands vacancies in those top JCs since so many JCs)? You sure? Why so many O level students cried foul every year. some said, they got 0 point for O level still can't get in RI ? huh? :? :? :?

I'm interested to know the situation as I don't have dc who has done O level.

The highlighted-in-red part can't be true, right? The minimun points for 6 subjects before bonus points is 6. Max bonus pts is 4. So lowest possible points is 2. How can anyone possibily get 0 point? and can't get into RI?

I beg your pardon! I typed low.
In the process of typing, I must have highlighted the low and hit 0 by mistake. Just correct it

atutor2001:

Melodies:

Hi atutor2001, could you shed some lights why there are some O level students with very good grades but still can't get in those top JC's ? students with Six A1s and four A2s can't do as well as those existing IP students?

No statistics to back up but just based on some sad cases I came across where kids joined top JC through prelim results (a practice in the past) but have to leave after O level results.

Ranking using O level results is based on L1R5 where L1 is English. Most can get 5 points for R5 easily but not the L1. A grade 2 for L1 means goodbye for top JC because there are many 6 pointers for L1R5.

Next is CCA, Higher Chinese and 3rd Lang. These are what I called \"deductibles\". A 6 pointer for L1R5 may not secure a place if they do not have outstanding deductibles.

Above are purely my personal perception of the situation. Therefore, though 6A1 and 4A2 is a good result, when compared to the entire O level cohort, (especially if the L1 is A2) it may not be good enough for the Top JCs.

It is that competitive at O level. Probably that is why GEP, PSLE is so important to many who wants to secure a place in top JC through IP.

:faint: After PSLE, we are not done with it! Those late boomers can't make it for IP schools, the competition is even steeper @ O levels! :yikes:

Anyone care to share how O level students do as compared to those IP students in A level?

atutor2001:

jtoh:

I'm well aware of the situation of IP schools. Are you? Do you know the number of vacancies available at each JC for O level intake? The number of vacancies available at these top JCs number in the HUNDREDS EACH, as much as other JCs which have affliated students or who are not IP. In other words, there are plenty of vacancies at these top JCs. You just have to be the best to get in bec all the top O students want in as well.

The figure is no secret. However, you may have reservation to reveal because of .... Anyway, I remembered it is something like 400, 400, 400 for ... About 100 goes to DSA, leaving about 300 for O level results. Correct me if I am wrong.

Hi atutor2001, could you shed some lights why there are some O level students with very good grades but still can't get in those top JC's ? O level students (with Six A1s and four A2s for o level) can't do as well as those IP students in HCI? Anyone care to share how O level students do as compared to those IP students in A level?

九阳神功:

Melodies:

[quote=\"Twinkies\"]Do away with the hearsay ?

Not hearsay but it was published previously in the newspaper. Newspaper can report something that is not true meh?

Please share more to clarify the situation then

http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20100219-199740.html[/quote]九阳神功 :udaman: :udaman: :udaman:

Twinkies:

Melodies:

[quote=\"Twinkies\"]Do away with the hearsay ?

Not hearsay but it was published previously in the newspaper. Newspaper can report something that is not true meh?

Please share more to clarify the situation then

Please share more to clarify the situation then, please provide the link to the newspapers news clips?[/quote] :yikes:
Am I talking to a parrot?

david59:

wonderm:

:goodpost:

:goodpost:
I believe all of us here are concerned for our children n the future generations. My wish is that in whatever schemes or policies MOE will make in the future, it will not give more advantage to the cream of the crop at the expense of the weaker students.
It took many years for the government to finally give more funding to special education students after years of lobbying. Singapore needs to be pragmatic for economic reasons but it is time we also grow into a gracious society where we give helps to the weaker ones.

Take a good look at the Educational system in Finland.

3rd Nov in the \"Today\" newspaper, there was a very enlightening article in page 12 to 14 entitling \" Why are Finland's schools successful?\". Globally, their students ranked second in Science, third in Reading and sixth in Maths in 2009. And yet their students do not have mandatory standard exams up to age 16!

What really impresses me is that in their educational system, all students of varying abilities are taught in the same classroom and special attention is given to the weaker ones by special education teachers. This really revealed a sharp contrast with our country's approach to education which gives (knowingly or unknowingly) greater advantages to the brighter students.

Their approach to equality in education reminds me of a passage in the Holy Bible which emphasizes that the stronger parts of the body must give greater honor and care to the weaker parts of the body so that the whole body can function in unity and concern for one another.

1Corinthians 12:21 to 26 :
21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.

:goodpost: Yes! Ways to go.. :rahrah: :rahrah: