zbear:

nav14:

For schools with affiliations like NYJC and ACJC, it will be harder to gauge and compare the average quality of their students against JCs with slightly worst COPs like for TJC or AJC without affiliations. NYJC will also have a larger percentage of students with minus 2 pts for HMT if it attracts more PRCs or those from Chinese based schools like Chung Cheng. I will not be surprised that NYJC and ACJC has a larger percentage of students with the maximum 4 pts deducted from their L1R5 scores as compared to JCs like TJC & AJC.
Based on net COPs alone, it will be easier for JCs like TJC and AJC to achieve better value added results than NYJC and ACJC as their students are likely to be the same quality. In other words I will not be surprised if the results of ACJC, NYJC , TJC & AJC will be comparable even though ACJC and NYJC on paper (based on net COPs) seem to have better students. Easier for Principals of TJC and AJC to prove that they have added more value to their students (input vs output).

Shouldn't TJC have an advantage over the other 3 JCs since it's an IP JC n the quality of student intake is better?

So will it be a fair comparison?

The first batch of students in TJCs 6yr IP programme will sit for their A levels in 2018. There will be a big boost to their results in 2018. As it is in terms of output they are ranked No 5 right now ( understand Principal announced this today to new JC1 intake) despite a more inferior ranking in COP and is more value added than the 3-4 JCs above it in COP ranking. They should more aggressively publicise their A level results.

Wonder is the COP depends on the popularity of the school :? NYJC has lower COP than TJC and many others :shock: I know NYJC has good facilities but not sure of their A level results[/quote]


For schools with affiliations like NYJC and ACJC, it will be harder to gauge and compare the average quality of their students against JCs with slightly worst COPs like for TJC or AJC without affiliations. NYJC will also have a larger percentage of students with minus 2 pts for HMT if it attracts more PRCs or those from Chinese based schools like Chung Cheng. I will not be surprised that NYJC and ACJC has a larger percentage of students with the maximum 4 pts deducted from their L1R5 scores as compared to JCs like TJC & AJC.
Based on net COPs alone, it will be easier for JCs like TJC and AJC to achieve better value added results than NYJC and ACJC as their students are likely to be the same quality. In other words I will not be surprised if the results of ACJC, NYJC , TJC & AJC will be comparable even though ACJC and NYJC on paper (based on net COPs) seem to have better students. Easier for Principals of TJC and AJC to prove that they have added more value to their students (input vs output).

zbear:

UBKmom:

Wonder what happens to TJC, it drops to 9 position??

I am surprised that TJC being an IP JC is not as popular as NYJC and AJC.

TJC declining in popularity largely due to it being physically left intact from its original state in the 70s. A new campus nearer to MRT would do wonders. MOE has done a disservice to TJC as it I believe it is the only old college left not upgraded. Unbelievable , but the state of the school/facilities does have an impact on the choice made by pupils.
It is also facing increased competition from additional IP schools cropping up in the East over he years.
The cut off score should go down 1-2 points next year as the first intake of IP students (PSLE) will be reaching JC1 in 2017 and which will reduce the intake by at least 150 places, thus pushing down the cut off point to maybe back to 7 or at least 8 in 2017. TJC also has a new Principal (ex Chinese Girls Principal) which may help to push back to the levels it was a few years ago.
The quality of students in schools like NYJC may not be any better as it has affiliated schools and may have a larger portion of students with minus 4 points as compared to TJC.

EthanEthan:

nav14:

[quote=\"notfreemom\"]

I think not many ppl aware of TJC offering IP next year. And not many dare to be the first batch of new ip program

TJC is more established espcially since already have an IP programme for Sec 3 students and have a proven track record for JC. Much better than unknowns like SCGS, SNGS and CHS where they have no IP experience at all and will go on to form a brand new JC which will have many teething problems. Ironically COP for these 3 schools is higher than TJC. I believe got to do more with location as TJC is not as centrally located as the other 3.

Actually if you look at it, the new JC will have students feeding in from 3 top schools in singapore ( CHS, St Nicks, SCGS). It will no doubt be one of the top JCs that will be highly sought after as the cohorts' quality is at least equal or better than that for Cedar/Victoria which feeds into VJC.

Knowing how competitive getting into top JCs nowadays, getting into the IP program for CHS, St Nicks, SCGS gurantees the students into a JC, that no doubt will establish itself as one of the top in Singapore.[/quote]It will no doubt establish itself as one of the top JCs eventually but the potential of the initial batch of JC students may not be fully realised. Just hope that majority of the teachers for the new JC will be experienced teachers sourced from other JCs.

temptemp:

nav14:

I am from far North and daughter got a place at TJC. I believe in a small country like Singapore , location should never be a factor especially from Secondary level onwards. Important to get the best school for the child regardless of location. Parents nowdays really pamper their kids with anything more than 20 minutes away being considered too far.

To me distance is a important factor when deciding school. Imagine school starts at 720am. If bus/train travelling takes about an hour, child will have to leave home by 615am. That mean child will have to wake up by 530-545am. this is the schedule of my kid and imagine he usually have to stand all the way (2 buses) till reach school. Rarely there will be seats for him.

After a busy day in school, he will still have to travel another hour of journey home. But this usually will have seats, unless he come back during peak hours on CCA days.

What if the choice is between a IP and non-IP school. That is you either get an IP school which is 1 hour away or a non-IP school which is say 30 mins away? Would you not be willing to make a sacrifice?. In our case, the choices based on the t-score were SCGS (IP) TJC and Cedar (IP) which would be borderline . SNGS would be much nearer but it does not offer any other 2nd lang other than Chinese. I am staying in Yishun. So what would be your choice? Opt for a non-IP school in Yishun , Ang Mo Kio or Woodlands just because of the proximity?
Kids waking up at 5.45am is quite a norm nowadays.
During my days in school I travelled 60-75mins each way in old non-airconditioned rackety buses and still did well in school.
In my case I will be sending one way and should take no more than 25 mins early morning.

FanFanX:

nav14:

TJC is more established espcially since already have an IP programme for Sec 3 students and have a proven track record for JC. Much better than unknowns like SCGS, SNGS and CHS where they have no IP experience at all and will go on to form a brand new JC which will have many teething problems. Ironically COP for these 3 schools is higher than TJC. I believe got to do more with location as TJC is not as centrally located as the other 3.

location certainly play a part. at central location, u can go there from north, east and west besides central (south). if you are at east, u attract those from east basically

I am from far North and daughter got a place at TJC. I believe in a small country like Singapore , location should never be a factor especially from Secondary level onwards. Important to get the best school for the child regardless of location. Parents nowdays really pamper their kids with anything more than 20 minutes away being considered too far.

FrekiWang:

The increase in the COP of those 'top' schools is consequece of the dragon year.


Based on the formula, 250 is the benchmark for the top 10% candidates. Last year, there were 45261 candidates, but this number has increased to 48333 this year, which means there are 300+ more candidates who have scored 250+ this year. As there is no significant increase in the vacancies in those 'top' schools, their COPs certainly go up.

The COP went up for top schools because of the additional dragon year candidates and these schools not increasing their enrolment. Some schools where the enrolment was increased (decided by MOE) to cater for the additional candidates saw their COP decreasing slightly. I believe the 'top\" schools have more leeway in deciding their enrolments with MOE being more flexible with them or they could have made a strong case not to have their enrolments increased due to limited infrastructure. Next year the COP for these top schools will come down again to previous levels.

notfreemom:

nav14:

[quote=\"Magnumwalls\"]Dunman high COP is not 255.


My dd has 256 (254 +2) for higher chinese but got posted to TJC instead.
Now gotto appeal to DHS cause all her clique going there.

I actually expected TJC COP to be higher.

I am also surprised at TJC's COP, considering that there were only 75 places left after 75 places were taken up for DSA.

I think not many ppl aware of TJC offering IP next year. And not many dare to be the first batch of new ip program[/quote]TJC is more established espcially since already have an IP programme for Sec 3 students and have a proven track record for JC. Much better than unknowns like SCGS, SNGS and CHS where they have no IP experience at all and will go on to form a brand new JC which will have many teething problems. Ironically COP for these 3 schools is higher than TJC. I believe got to do more with location as TJC is not as centrally located as the other 3.

Magnumwalls:

Dunman high COP is not 255.


My dd has 256 (254 +2) for higher chinese but got posted to TJC instead.
Now gotto appeal to DHS cause all her clique going there.

I actually expected TJC COP to be higher.

I am also surprised at TJC's COP, considering that there were only 75 places left after 75 places were taken up for DSA.

alderbaran:

School\t\t2013 \t2012\tChange

NYGH\t\t265\t262\t3
RI\t\t263\t261\t2
RGS\t\t263\t261\t2
HCI\t\t261\t258\t3
NJC\t\t259\t258\t1
MGS (IP)\t\t257\t250\t7
RVHS\t\t256\t254\t2
ACS (I) (IB)\t256\t255\t1
DHS\t\t255\t256\t-`1
SNGS (IP)\t255\t249\t6
CEDAR (IP)\t254\t249\t5
SNGS (O)\t\t253\t249\t4
VSS (IP)\t\t252\t247\t5
CHS (IP)\t\t252\t248\t4
SCGS (IP)\t\t252\t248\t4
MGS (O)\t\t252\t250\t2
SJI (IP)\t\t251\t242\t9
SCGS (O)\t\t251\t248\t3
CEDAR (O)\t251\t249\t2
CHS (O)\t\t249\t248\t1
BPGH\t\t246\t244\t2
ANDERSON\t246\t245\t1
VSS (O)\t\t246\t247\t-1
SJI (O)\t\t245\t242\t3
NAN HUA\t245\t243\t2
CRESCENT\t244\t243\t1
ANGLICAN\t242\t243\t-1
ST. MARGARET\t241\t240\t1
CHIJ (TP)\t\t241\t241\t0
NAN CHIAU\t240\t236\t4
FAIRFIELD\t239\t235\t4
COMMONWEALTH\t238\t236\t2
TKGS\t\t236\t235\t1
MARIS STELLA\t234\t232\t2
TKSS\t\t234\t233\t1
PLMGS\t\t234\t233\t1
XINMIN\t\t234\t235\t-1
ZHONGHUA\t233\t232\t1
PRESBYTERIAN\t231\t229\t2
DUNMAN SS\t230\t229\t1
CHIJ ST. THERESA\t229\t224\t5
JURONG\t\t228\t225\t3

Cedar IP was 258 last year and not 249 which was the 'O' lvl COP. So it is a decline of 4 points for Cedar IP from 258 to 254. SNGC and SCGS had not IP last year. You are wrongly comparing the 'O' lvl COP with IP for 2013.