peachtan\" post_id=\"2037721\" time=\"1631501320\" user_id=\"160345:

hi, got a qns. i am currently renting a place 1km from the school of choice. if my target school gets into ballot for 1km, and if i secure a seat based on that, would i then be allowed to move/buy a place within 1km?

Yes, u r allowed to do so but have to make sure that the newly bought house is still within 1km fr the school of choice.

Kpoparent\" post_id=\"2036199\" time=\"1630518149\" user_id=\"193494:

zac's mum\" post_id=\"2036190\" time=\"1630510931\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2036190 time=1630510931 user_id=53606]

Thank you! The PV application ends by 31 Oct. If I may ask, any idea how long it takes to update the NRIC address and does ICA send a sticker over so that I can paste over before scanning my NRIC for PV application? :?:

Nowadays, it will take abt 7 worling days to receive it sticker.

kiasudad1\" post_id=\"2036095\" time=\"1630474526\" user_id=\"193855:

zac's mum\" post_id=\"2033598\" time=\"1628385563\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2033598 time=1628385563 user_id=53606]

My two cents from observing a bit:

a) If parents want to move heaven and earth to get their kid into a certain school, by all means go ahead. I think what is sometimes missed in these discussions is that the popular schools may be attractive to certain people for reasons beyond academics. I think many parents acknowledge this upfront. Unfortunately, at the end of 6 years PSLE scores seem to dominate the thinking as to whether it was \"worth it.\" I would argue this doesn't have to be the case.

b) IMO, what is not well understood (by all) is that even if a school has a track record of producing X% of the cohort scoring above Y, this does not mean each kid walking through the gate on the first day of P1 has the same X% chance. At certain schools, some of these kids may already have a ~90% chance of breaking Y, and that would probably be true regardless of where you put them. The corollary is that for every kid with odds above X%, one has odds below X%.

What is unclear to me is whether (or how much) any particular school i) increases your maximum potential score or ii) increases the probability that you reach your potential, whatever it may be. For example, RI/HCI have a much higher % of kids scoring 90 at A Levels than other JCs. Is it the school, teachers, facilities, resources, programmes, etc? Or did these two schools enroll a bunch more kids that had a higher probability of scoring 90 to begin with?* I.e. most students who scored 90 at these two schools would have scored 90 wherever they went to JC. It just happens these students selected RI/HCI. Honestly, I have no idea what the answer is and I don't know that the question can even be answered.

But the same question exists at the primary level; if any particular school has 25%-50%(?) of the cohort scoring above Y, is the difference vs. the national average of Z% scoring above Y all due to the school/school environment or did parents/kids with certain characteristics seek out these schools (more so than average) and most would have scored above Y regardless of where they went? Like many things in life, there is probably bits of truth to both.

All that being said, I think most acknowledge that being in any particular school is neither a sufficient nor a necessary condition for either high scores or more broadly \"doing well\" in school/life/social development. But that doesn't mean the attraction of certain schools is \"pointless\" either. Regardless of where your kids end up, just support them and help them reach whatever their potential is (my kids didn't/don't go to famous schools but I support(ed) the school and I am happy with how they've done/are doing). In the long run, all of this only matters so much...


*to be clear, I don't think scoring 90 at A Levels is the be all and end all, and many kids at other JCs will end up doing better at A Levels and in uni/life than kids in RI/HCI. I also have no idea how my kid(s) will score if they make it to take A Levels.

True, that. Eg I knew my kid would be average academically. And he is (nothing has changed). I do not blame the school, nor do I think he would have scored better had he gone to a primary school with better / worse track record). He is, however, happy to go to school daily, which is not the case for his peers who entered schools that were unfortunately not the right fit for them.

It’s a hard call for parents to gauge when the kid is only K2, not all will be accurate. Just don’t let your child suffer for too long if you figure out along the way that the school is the wrong fit. Transfer out if need be. Sometimes the child is miserable in school and the confidence takes a beating. That’s an awful way to remember one’s primary school years.

Hear, hear! :please:

My two cents worth. Elder niece went to top brand-name primary school. She had tuition in every subject, was very competitive with her classmates, her self worth completely tied up in rankings vs her classmates. Ended up with a habit of cutting her arms and \"hating\" her parents. According to her dad, this was common among her group of friends, who live in landed/condo, had lots of tuition, all had psychological issues.

Just seems to me the parents' anxiety fed into the child's mind and personality, and ended up dangerously close to becoming unhealthy adults. As a millenial, not a boomer, makes me kinda sad.

:siam:[/quote]Sometimes parent will tell themselves tht it is common among the kids or not only theor kids do tht, other do it as well but most of the time, it is the way parents are consoling themselves for the shortcoming.

Be it top school or not, the well-being of our own kids is the most important thing.

Veyron\" post_id=\"2035238\" time=\"1629596780\" user_id=\"30663:

jetsoup\" post_id=\"2035163\" time=\"1629481565\" user_id=\"137155:

[quote=phtthp post_id=1990524 time=1597237734 user_id=35251]
strange, then where do the sudden sharp rise of so many < 1 km SC applicants, come from ?

Rent the existing condo, for 30 months ?

Just wondering if applicants might abuse this and \"rent\" a place within 1km without actually moving there. They only move in the area if after they are balloted into the Phase 2C 1km, so that they won't be caught later.

There seems to be a lot of ex-foreigners-turned-Singaporean with kids in RPGS.

During application, P2C applicants will need to key in the registered address and proof of tenancy agreement supported with a certificate of stamp duty (if they are renting). Hence it is impossible for someone to fake a rental address without actually renting a place. And of course, at the point of registration, they may not actually be living there yet, but they have certainly secured a place and paying rent.

On the other hand, there are also families who cheat by not actually staying or fulfil the MOP requirement. Over the years there have been parents getting caught and having their P1 or P2 student expelled from the school. I believe there was a case involving a RGPS student

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/father-who-lied-about-address-during-pri-1-registration-gets-fine-instead-of

New or old, citizens are citizens and they have the same rights as other Singaporeans who intend to send the kids to RGPS. For those who cheat, the probability will be higher for Singapore born Singaporeans than new citizens because the latter group are more likely to have more options to cheat. e.g utilizing parents, relatives, or sibling addresses for registration.

The reasons why there are more new citizens (NC) sending their child to RGPS could be due to
1) Popularity of neighbourhood, proximity to good schools (NYPS, RGS, MGS, SCGS, HCI, NJC)
2) Popularity of RGPS
3) Limited option for NC due to parents having no affiliation to any schools
4) Higher disposable income
5) Popularity of D10 property


With the availability of tracetogether app information, I think it should not be difficult for MOE to track who is cheating.[/quote]Frankly, i dun think MOE is authorize to use the tracetogether to chk on the registration. But those parents who are cheating may feel insecure abt it.

Veyron\" post_id=\"2035238\" time=\"1629596780\" user_id=\"30663:

jetsoup\" post_id=\"2035163\" time=\"1629481565\" user_id=\"137155:

[quote=phtthp post_id=1990524 time=1597237734 user_id=35251]
strange, then where do the sudden sharp rise of so many < 1 km SC applicants, come from ?

Rent the existing condo, for 30 months ?

Just wondering if applicants might abuse this and \"rent\" a place within 1km without actually moving there. They only move in the area if after they are balloted into the Phase 2C 1km, so that they won't be caught later.

There seems to be a lot of ex-foreigners-turned-Singaporean with kids in RPGS.

During application, P2C applicants will need to key in the registered address and proof of tenancy agreement supported with a certificate of stamp duty (if they are renting). Hence it is impossible for someone to fake a rental address without actually renting a place. And of course, at the point of registration, they may not actually be living there yet, but they have certainly secured a place and paying rent.

On the other hand, there are also families who cheat by not actually staying or fulfil the MOP requirement. Over the years there have been parents getting caught and having their P1 or P2 student expelled from the school. I believe there was a case involving a RGPS student

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/father-who-lied-about-address-during-pri-1-registration-gets-fine-instead-of

New or old, citizens are citizens and they have the same rights as other Singaporeans who intend to send the kids to RGPS. For those who cheat, the probability will be higher for Singapore born Singaporeans than new citizens because the latter group are more likely to have more options to cheat. e.g utilizing parents, relatives, or sibling addresses for registration.

The reasons why there are more new citizens (NC) sending their child to RGPS could be due to
1) Popularity of neighbourhood, proximity to good schools (NYPS, RGS, MGS, SCGS, HCI, NJC)
2) Popularity of RGPS
3) Limited option for NC due to parents having no affiliation to any schools
4) Higher disposable income
5) Popularity of D10 property


With the availability of tracetogether app information, I think it should not be difficult for MOE to track who is cheating.[/quote]Frankly, i dun think MOE is authorize to use the tracetogether to chk on the registration. But those parents who are cheating may feel insecure abt it.

Hendon\" post_id=\"2033555\" time=\"1628338996\" user_id=\"142376:

I just hope new parents reading, take what is said with a pinch of salt. Everyone has their own reality and there are also many pov beyond what has been shared recently. I for one applaud the idealism of new parents. I am not cynical but I have also a large pool of friends experiences and an anecdotes to tap upon. For me, I hope parents focus on the child and learn to manage their own expectations despite the ‘investment’

Totally agree with you. Some saying no head start meaning the kids are already condemned without giving them a chance to thrive. Head start is not a myth but it is to provide a better environment for them to get use to and adapt.

Imp75\" post_id=\"2033352\" time=\"1628220496\" user_id=\"2358:

My kids were placed in the PCF kindy due to convenience. It's learn thru play and we don't really expect a lot from the kindy (what do you expect from a <$100/mth institution) and I don't recall there being any PTM or turning up for one. When it comes to P1 registration, if I as a parent can help put the child into a popular (and with track record) school then why not? I think it is too early at preschool to judge whether kids can fit in etc.

Agree. Pre-school performance is not a judgement whether the kid will perform in primary school or how well is he doing compared to the rest. It is too early. My boy preschool has been telling me tht my boy is doing well in prschool but i took it as a pinch of salt as i know tht a pteson character and academy will fluatuate alot especially when they r in primary and secondary school. So give ur son or daughter a chance by giving them a better starting point if possible.

CALYNSEA\" post_id=\"2032151\" time=\"1627548568\" user_id=\"181903:

parent_to_be\" post_id=\"2032148\" time=\"1627547128\" user_id=\"104008:

[quote=CALYNSEA post_id=2032135 time=1627537673 user_id=181903]

Well I'm not so sure we can say parents can circumvent this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when floppy said \"As long as you keep the place for more than 30 months, are legal owners of the address / unit, and spend *some* time (even it's for the weekends only) at the registered address, you are good to go.\" is an assumption and not a fact?

And actually I don't think it's grey at all but that's my own 2 cents worth of interpretation, cos when I read \"...The family is expected to reside at the address for the duration of the child's primary school studies.\" I think it's quite clear you need to be staying there and not just spend some time there.

Obviously I could be wrong here.

Frankly, it us by right and by left. So long u disnt rent out the unit, u shld be fine. No one will check whether u r staying there or not.

That's a risk that some are willing to take and some are not. Ultimately it all boil down to individual risk appetite.
I just think that you never know when the authorities will check. They could take action base on tip off and so on. Perhaps maybe our kids talk in school with their classmates...like I stay at place A during weekdays and place B over the weekend. And the classmate told their parents or teachers who somehow tip off the authorities who then conduct the check. Well maybe I overthink and my risk appetite is low.[/quote]Correct. Some have low risk n some die die must go to tht particular school. By the book, definitely the answer is not the answer tht he or she is hoping to hear. We all know it in our own heart.

CALYNSEA\" post_id=\"2032135\" time=\"1627537673\" user_id=\"181903:

Orb\" post_id=\"2032125\" time=\"1627527835\" user_id=\"25015:

[quote=floppy post_id=2032120 time=1627526965 user_id=97579]

In short,

As long as you keep the place for more than 30 months, are legal owners of the address / unit, and spend *some* time (even it's for the weekends only) at the registered address, you are good to go.

The policy isn't meant to be 'exact' and the grey areas are usually deliberate. Otherwise, you will have people asking whether Sunday + Monday is ok? Or is Monday + Tuesday ok? etc.

its amazing how parents can circumvent these. there are benefits to stay near a school (hence the criteria of <2km) not use it to get into a school and then stay far away.

Well I'm not so sure we can say parents can circumvent this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when floppy said \"As long as you keep the place for more than 30 months, are legal owners of the address / unit, and spend *some* time (even it's for the weekends only) at the registered address, you are good to go.\" is an assumption and not a fact?

And actually I don't think it's grey at all but that's my own 2 cents worth of interpretation, cos when I read \"...The family is expected to reside at the address for the duration of the child's primary school studies.\" I think it's quite clear you need to be staying there and not just spend some time there.

Obviously I could be wrong here.[/quote]Frankly, it us by right and by left. So long u disnt rent out the unit, u shld be fine. No one will check whether u r staying there or not.

ska.hello\" post_id=\"2026465\" time=\"1623130536\" user_id=\"176188:

Hi,

My understanding is that not all schools have Parent Volunteer program. Is there a list of schools which have PV program?

Thanks

Just wondering why do u need a list of school got PV. U shld b more specific on ur choice rather than relying on PV. If u stay in the west and there are school with PV, dun think u will apply for it also. U shld have some schools in mind and narrow down to which schools have PV.