niseko00\" post_id=\"2130131\" time=\"1709441869\" user_id=\"200430:

Noted.

Instead of posting here, please address directly to [email protected] to address the huge concern that you have. I am sure the school will look into it.

I am posting here because there are many here that are celebrating a culture of mugging as a sign of excellence.

I have no intention of writing to NYJC as i have no vested interest. Perhaps parents who have kids in NYJC should write in instead?

bbbay\" post_id=\"2130125\" time=\"1709436684\" user_id=\"175278:

This is like a coffee shop discussion. It is coarse, more
like a back of evenlope calculation. Nothing rigorous about it.


I and another parent has discussed over pm. NYJC is 100 % JAE. And say EJC is 60% IP and 40% JAE.

The assumption is (this is in general, exclude exceptions which is minority)
- IP is top 10% according to PSLE. And majority will choose IP.
- those that proceed to JAE will then be outside 10%, from 11 % onwards.
- PSLE is deterministic of future academic performance

For EJC, after considering the weightage combination of 60% IP (top 10%) and 40 % JAE (from 11 %), the “ nett standard” should be still higher than NYJC’s 100% JAE (from 11%). So NYJC intake is stronger than other EJC is not true? And NYJC is consistently doing better than EJC in A level is unexpected?

Lets take a step back. In EJC 3rd year of existence, it produced 9 PSC scholars that year. How many did NYJC has?

lee_yl\" post_id=\"2130107\" time=\"1709427624\" user_id=\"17023:

Let me make a guess.

1). Firstly, I would think some parents / students believe a non-IP JC environment, caring teachers, etc. suit them better. In a non-IPJC, all will start at the same starting point.

2). A group of them found out that Arts students can take PCME/BCME. Friend’s JAE daughter applied to an IPJC wanting to do Science but the school only allowed her to do Arts because she couldn’t meet COP for Sc stream. In the end, she gave up this IPJC.

I would say the proximity of the Lorong Chuan MRT also. You can just do a simple comparison of the COP before MRT and the COP after MRT......

The same with VJC now, with the new MRT, the COP for VJC have also gone down this year

doodbug\" post_id=\"2130102\" time=\"1709391235\" user_id=\"13281:

NYJC's COP has dropped to lower than NJC/VJC/EJC/TJC in recent years, so their intake would be stronger than the JAE intake at other JCs. So I guess it is also not too surprising that for the A levels, NYJC pulls off slightly better results than the rest?

Yet the scholarship achievement rate is still lower than the other JCs ? Strange, isn't it?

niseko00\" post_id=\"2130091\" time=\"1709378600\" user_id=\"200430:

It does not mean that one needs to be a President Scholar in order to do well in their career. Even if for next 50 years, there is no president scholar from NYJC, so be it. The college will still be popular among the O-level students as long as it maintains its standard and beautiful culture, 校风. If the students are keen in such prestigious scholarship, they would have chosen RI. Many students in NYJC are well-qualified for RI too but they have their reasons for choosing NY instead. No right or wrong as long as they are happy.

I find it strange that every year, there are parents who just cannot sleep well when NYJC produced fantastic A-level results.

You are reading too much into what I write. I am not saying that one need to be a President scholar to do well in life. I am just highlighting the fact that a culture of mugging does not mean it leads to excellence.

You yourself have said that NYJC has fantastic A level results, then why is the dismay performance in scholarship attainment? This is what I am alluding to. Doesn't anybody here feel the that its an anomaly?

bbbay\" post_id=\"2130081\" time=\"1709368933\" user_id=\"175278:

All of us have given you our reasons for the praise for NYJC. And we don’t think in term of binary and absolute: either you are excellent or not deserve of praise. It’s not realistic or wise. You can re read our posts: we are praising a part of NYJC’s achievement: academic. And I believe most of us also agree the relatively low number of PSC scholarships too. And some parents here have move on to discuss what have been done to improve the scholarships number of NYJC. It’s the intent behind those words. It mean we agree with the low scholarships number. It not either you are excellent or not deserve of praise altogether.

As i said, i just want to point out the danger of correlating a culture of mugging to excellence ,which real word data in terms of scholarship performance says otherwise.

doodbug\" post_id=\"2130074\" time=\"1709365014\" user_id=\"13281:

Is it a fact that NYJC is under producing scholarship holders?

We know for a fact that NYJC has never produced a President scholar in the past 50 years. Let's look at the next 2 most prestigious ones - the SAF scholarship and the SPF scholarship receipents from last year

SAF scholarship - 3 from RI, 1 from HCI, 1 from ACJC, 1 from ACSI
SPF scholarship - 1 from HCI, 1 from TJC

I am too lazy to research and list the other scholarships...i am sure you can easily do that yourself.

bbbay\" post_id=\"2130037\" time=\"1709297712\" user_id=\"175278:

I think people is just saying NYJC is doing a good job in exceeding academic expectations (through motivating students, in my own words). I don’t think anyone is proclaiming NYJC has been elevated to an excellence all round status. It’s not a competition and not comparing JCs. Same old tune: pick a school that fit the student best. I don’t think mugging (excessive or not) could only mean memorising and regurgitating facts and mugging would also mean lacking in all other departments. Mugging, a Singapore colloquial term for intensive studying. I think it’s possible to enjoy studying. Not many can force teenagers to study intensively and willingly, if the teenagers do not want to.

But I am curious too why NYJC is lacking PS. Not that I think PS is the only measure of achievement (many MPs are not scholars too), but NYJCian don’t like to serve?

I am not comparing amongst JC. I am just pointing out the fallacy in glorifying a culture of mugging as the road to excellence. The comparisons made was because NYJC has a lower COP than JCs, such as VJC, NJC, TJC and even ACJC. Yet given its superior student intake, it is still unable to produce a President scholar. The number of PSC scholars by NYJC also pales in comparison to the other JCs. And we all know that in scholarships interviews, the panel takes into account not only academic performance but also other traits of the students e.g articulation, confidence, creativity, personality e.t.c. Why have the other JCs consistently perform better?

We all know for a fact that getting good grades in exam largely depends on your ability to memorise the facts well and to regurgitate them in the exams. And mugging does to a great extent require that. We don't need workers today that only excel in this, ChatGPT itself can do these with ease. We should all strive to put our kids in environment that also have a balance development in other areas.

I have interviewed many Indian FT too. I can tell you that the Indians FT speaks well, manage exceptions well and are confident in their delivery. In Singapore's labour market, where our children have to compete against these FT, academic excellence itself does not always get you the job.

Kimkar\" post_id=\"2129988\" time=\"1709266403\" user_id=\"36967:

I thk to be fair to NYJC, for years, its name is obscure behind RI, HCI and VJC (when VJ's performace is still ahead of NYJC).

I understand that there isn't any department allocated to scholarship, let alone President or PSC scholarship but just a ESG Councillor to advise and answer questions. Even until today when I look at the briefing slides last week.

But I thk the new principal Mr Pang is making some changes. You can refer to the link below for reference. This is a good start and hopefully he can set up a scholarship department as well if the number of eligible students are on the rise.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/NVh9fSbtqY1AV1ur/?mibextid=oFDknk

You should have known that I have not posted for a long time as all my children has passed the JC phase. But I was perturbed to read that many are praising a culture of mugging as a sign of excellence, and that prompted my original post.

If a culture of mugging leads to excellence, then why have NYJC never produced a President scholar in its 50 years of existence?. I am not talking about comparison to RI or HCI or even VJC. How about NJC, TJC and ACJC which had all produced President scholars. It does not correlate, right ? So what is in the culture of these school that is different ?

Note that I am not against mugging, but extreme excessive mugging. The corporate world do not need workers today that are only able to memorize and regurgitate facts and lacking in all other departments.

00skyblue00\" post_id=\"2129956\" time=\"1709259730\" user_id=\"143605:

Nothing wrong for students to study hard, esp for A levels. The best get to pick their choice course and get scholarship.

Better that everyone in sch works hard together, all learn together and help each other, than some skeletons mugger culture.

Do you have any figures of PSC scolarships attained by NYJC?

FYI, there are so many students getting PSC scholarships every year in RI that they have a dedicated PSC desk in campus. RI students study hard too but whats in RI students and culture that makes them stand out against others? Have you ever thought about it?