From PSLE to University
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ks2me:
Two schools of thoughts lah. Some say that people are getting smarter, some think we are getting stupider. I think the latter is true... :shock:
I think you mean Shicida.Blobbi:
This is my theory cos that, what's his name, Sakamoto or some Japanese flip method? That one. Start at birth right? But how come no one else can read at 9 mths?
Methods do not maketh a genius.
Geniuses are brought to surface with the methods
So that explains why no reported case of reading at 9 months?
Well, those IQ tests have to be modified periodically, and \"genius\" is really about top 2% of the population. Once too many score that 'genius' level, the test will not be effective, a harder test has to be devised.
That's why you see IQ tests have different editions, WISC is into 4th or 5th and SB is in 4th or 5th edition. These are the common IQ tests you'll have to take if your child want to skip grades in the MOE system. They have to score about FSIQ of about 160+ to skip a grade or two. You can skip up to 4 grades in Singapore...
Did you know that? There is not just a GEP branch in Singapore, there's the exceptionally gifted branch also... :idea: Share this in case any of you have super intelligent kids. Sounds like your kid, Phankao?
Skipping grades only applies to lower primary kids, rarely the upper primary. Once they reach the GEP, it's hard to skip grades...
GEP = top 1%. Exceptionally gifted= one in 100,000. I think there were 2 ladies in MOE in charge of this there 1.5 years ago... -
Ever this topic has been started, I have been reading in silence. One day, I told dd about this topic, about how this mum arranging diploma courses during the school holidays for her kids. She answered \"This is crazy ! Don't tell me you going to follow that mum to do that !\" ** blink.. blink ... 2appaamm, yap, that mum is you !
I shall remain silence and carry on reading this informative topic. :lol: :lol: -
daisyt:
A bit crazy, but I'm a crazy mum lor... don't have a choice. When my son was P3:Ever this topic has been started, I have been reading in silence. One day, I told dd about this topic, about how this mum arranging diploma courses during the school holidays for her kids. She answered \"This is crazy ! Don't tell me you going to follow that mum to do that !\" ** blink.. blink ... 2appaamm, yap, that mum is you !
I shall remain silence and carry on reading this informative topic. :lol: :lol:
DS1: Do I have to do this homework for the rest of my life?
Me: No, until school is finished.
DS1: When will school finish?
Me: Maybe when you finish 'A' levels, after that you can go to uni.
DS1: Is uni also like that, do the same thing so many times?
Me: No, you do what you like.
DS1: When can I go to uni?
Me: When you finish your 'A' levels.
DS1: When can I finish 'A' levels?
Me: Another 9 years?
DS1: Can you find me a way to get out of this?
That set me going around looking for alternatives: Checked when he can do 'O' levels in Singapore, 16 years old, 'A' levels, 18 years old. No way out.except to do them in outside the country. I searched and searched and asked for help. Tried and test every system out there, put him in the most interesting courses, but he just didn't enjoy. Pursued sports, which he excelled. Pursued music and many instruments, he excelled. Put him in creative competitions in US, he came back 4th in the world (63 countries). Then, I chanced upon the Diploma. He finished it around PSLE time, instead of PSLE, he was happily doing his Diploma. Then, he got DSA to both RI and ACS (I).
Me: ACS (I) or RI?
DS1: None of the 'I'.
Me: then?
DS1: You said I could go to the uni.
I put him in one of the 'I's nearer to my house, anyway, and promised I will find an alternative for him. I asked around and got him into one with a sports scholarship but it was a uni in US. Too big for a little 14 year old.
Then, some MOE folks recommended this uni he is in.
Last week:
Me: Do you want to go back to Sec 4?
DS1: Are you kidding me?
Me: Why? Don't you feel you missed out something?
DS1: I'm an artist. This is what I want to do all my life!
DS1 is in 2nd year uni now. Hope you enjoyed reading this! Is my son extra gifted? I don't know because I have never once tested his IQ, it never mattered. But all I know is that I'm his mum and I want to help him fulfil his dreams. This is more important than knowing whether I have a genius or not.
I'd rather think that he is an ordinary person doing extraordinary things... -
2ppaamm:
Way Tan, from NUSH must be one of the exceptionally gifted child for MOE to allow him to skip a grade.
Did you know that? There is not just a GEP branch in Singapore, there's the exceptionally gifted branch also... :idea: Share this in case any of you have super intelligent kids. Sounds like your kid, Phankao?
Skipping grades only applies to lower primary kids, rarely the upper primary. Once they reach the GEP, it's hard to skip grades...
GEP = top 1%. Exceptionally gifted= one in 100,000. I think there were 2 ladies in MOE in charge of this there 1.5 years ago... -
Fairy:
Maybe... going by statistics, Singapore has 1 or 2 such kids each year... Did you read newspaper today? A nine year old finished O levels, Ainan Celeste Cawley, and parents refused all help from MOE...
Way Tan, from NUSH must be one of the exceptionally gifted child for MOE to allow him to skip a grade.2ppaamm:
Did you know that? There is not just a GEP branch in Singapore, there's the exceptionally gifted branch also... :idea: Share this in case any of you have super intelligent kids. Sounds like your kid, Phankao?
Skipping grades only applies to lower primary kids, rarely the upper primary. Once they reach the GEP, it's hard to skip grades...
GEP = top 1%. Exceptionally gifted= one in 100,000. I think there were 2 ladies in MOE in charge of this there 1.5 years ago...
RI has some of them as well. They dual enrol into the NUS and NTU. They attend university classes.
Many of these kids are recognised at a very young age BEFORE 'artificial' coaching sets in. Some kids I know are 'found' by 6 or 7 years old. A kid I know is doing P6 at 9 years old. That's why our GEP also test at 9, as close to 'nature' as possible.
If you wonder if your kid is one of those. Common trait - misbehaviour in school.... ha ha who says naughty kids are all useless? :lol: -
2ppaamm:
I thought WISC highest score is 160? Read about this somewhere.[That's why you see IQ tests have different editions, WISC is into 4th or 5th and SB is in 4th or 5th edition. These are the common IQ tests you'll have to take if your child want to skip grades in the MOE system. They have to score about FSIQ of about 160+ to skip a grade or two. You can skip up to 4 grades in Singapore...
Did you know that? There is not just a GEP branch in Singapore, there's the exceptionally gifted branch also... :idea:
Skipping grades only applies to lower primary kids, rarely the upper primary. Once they reach the GEP, it's hard to skip grades...
GEP = top 1%. Exceptionally gifted= one in 100,000. I think there were 2 ladies in MOE in charge of this there 1.5 years ago...
Just to share a hearsay from an acquaintance whose relative has a gifted child. That boy was accepted into Mensa & top in his school. His parents were told to wait patiently for GEP screening test at P3 because their son was not considered exceptionally gifted thus not good enough to be considered for grade skipping or qualify for any early intervention :!: -
sleepy:
Depending on what test you take, some tests can test up till 160, the SB's can test till 190 or even higher. Some tests are better for mildly gifted, some are better for exceptionally gifted.
I thought WISC highest score is 160? Read about this somewhere.2ppaamm:
[That's why you see IQ tests have different editions, WISC is into 4th or 5th and SB is in 4th or 5th edition. These are the common IQ tests you'll have to take if your child want to skip grades in the MOE system. They have to score about FSIQ of about 160+ to skip a grade or two. You can skip up to 4 grades in Singapore...
Did you know that? There is not just a GEP branch in Singapore, there's the exceptionally gifted branch also... :idea:
Skipping grades only applies to lower primary kids, rarely the upper primary. Once they reach the GEP, it's hard to skip grades...
GEP = top 1%. Exceptionally gifted= one in 100,000. I think there were 2 ladies in MOE in charge of this there 1.5 years ago...
Just to share a hearsay from an acquaintance whose relative has a gifted child. That boy was accepted into Mensa & top in his school. His parents were told to wait patiently for GEP screening test at P3 because their son was not considered exceptionally gifted thus not good enough to be considered for grade skipping or qualify for any early intervention :!:
Hm... I'm not psychologist leh, my research was done 2 years ago, so I forgot many things already... But I remember this little bit.
Also, I don't believe FSIQ is accurate, most kids are skewed. Good in some areas, and good in others, especially the twice exceptional ones. Singapore's formal system (as usual) will just look FSIQ.
About your friend's kid.... in Singapore's system, EG kids only come 1 in a year leh.... top in school not good enough la.... Mensa = top 2% only...
If he goes to another country maybe better. Go and read today's paper. That boy is probably not good enough to skip more than 4 grades either. Maybe they recommend him only 4 grades jump, so the parents jump! :lol: -
2ppaamm:
Just wondering, these kids given early intervention by gifted branch? dual enrolment recommended by MOE or carried out by their parents?
RI has some of them as well. They dual enrol into the NUS and NTU. They attend university classes.2ppaamm:
That kid is placed in a P6 class or still in P3 but capable of doing P6 level?
A kid I know is doing P6 at 9 years old. That's why our GEP also test at 9, as close to 'nature' as possible. -
sleepy:
No, the EG branch. GE branch caters to GEP students only, different groups. (As far as I know, things might have changed)
Just wondering, these kids given early intervention by gifted branch? dual enrolment recommended by MOE or carried out by their parents?2ppaamm:
RI has some of them as well. They dual enrol into the NUS and NTU. They attend university classes.2ppaamm:
That kid is placed in a P6 class or still in P3 but capable of doing P6 level?
A kid I know is doing P6 at 9 years old. That's why our GEP also test at 9, as close to 'nature' as possible.
He is in P6. I know a few such kids. Some parents resisted those changes. But, if these kids stay in their cohort, they normally have behavioural problems... If MOE test your kid and ask you to skip grades, it's better guay guay skip... ha ha! Unless you have other reasons... like autism or other special needs. -
2ppaamm:
That set me going around looking for alternatives: Checked when he can do 'O' levels in Singapore, 16 years old, 'A' levels, 18 years old. No way out.except to do them in outside the country.
2ppaamm:
Can take O level at 9 years old? As private candidate?Did you read newspaper today? A nine year old finished O levels, Ainan Celeste Cawley, and parents refused all help from MOE...
You mentioned earlier can't do O level earlier than 16 years old
Ainan did his O level outside Singapore?
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