2013 P1 Registration Exercise for 2014 In-Take

[merkon]

patlsy79:

Hi..Need your advice on this....just found out 1 of my dd's childcare mate he managed to ballot in my 1st choice sch in 2c. They are staying just next Blk to the cc and the Blk is actly >1km which was not qualified for 2c in that sch. I really don't know how could he go for balloting ler..my dd's another mate as well(diff mate) when i met the mother before 2B, I asked her choice of sch she said the famous sch all cannot consider cos of their distance also same as mine.and the day after 2B, I met her with the ds again I asked, she said she has not decided but suddenly the ds said confirm going that sch too, not sure the kid just joking or serious. Now I wonder, were they using rental add? Cos I still seeing them staying here le. How shall I find out more abt this as I am very imbalance ler.....Cos the failure in 2b made me very upset as I think it was so unfair...Sorry if you think I am selfish..

I don't think u r selfish but it is possible that they bought a property that is within 1km of the school too. Those with property under construction can also use the future address to register.

[patlsy79]

merkon:

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I don't think u r selfish but it is possible that they bought a property that is within 1km of the school too. Those with property under construction can also use the future address to register.

This is the only possibility i can think of as for
time being they are still residing here. I am
gog to sch next week to submit waitlist form at the same
time i will try to ask the lady in general office.

[ChiefKiasu]

As much as I hate the concept of snitching, whistle-blowing is the best way of uncovering cheats and frauds. The schools themselves have no energy to track every single application for compliance after the registration process.


I had a colleague who knocked a car as she was parking and wanted to just drive away but I forced her to leave a note on the other car’s windshield. Needless to say she doesn’t offer to drive me out for lunch any more after that incident.

Think about what it means to the innocent parties who had to suffer because of others who cheat their way into the system.

patlsy79, at this point, what you have is only anecdotal evidence, but it is still sufficient for you to bring up to the school just to clarify and check if the person had used a different address from the one which you say was >1km. Just a YES or NO answer would suffice. That would be all the information the school might be prepared to share with you. If the answer is YES, then you can question why it was accepted as <1km. If the address was different, then there is no impropriety. It is then left to you to monitor if the family and their child actually move within 1km of that school. If they haven’t done so by next December, go ahead and notify the school authorities.

[Hobbes]

I don’t understand why everyone would encourage such behavior. It’s precisely of things like these that everyone is so damn unhappy. So you couldn’t make it to the school of choice. Did the world stop spinning? Will getting someone else in trouble guarantee that you will get the place instead? If this is the way you think then sadly out society has degenerated to building joy on someone else’s misery. Well done Singapore.

[patlsy79]

Hobbes:

I don't understand why everyone would encourage such behavior. It's precisely of things like these that everyone is so damn unhappy. So you couldn't make it to the school of choice. Did the world stop spinning? Will getting someone else in trouble guarantee that you will get the place instead? If this is the way you think then sadly out society has degenerated to building joy on someone else's misery. Well done Singapore.

wow dont know you are so wei da. I think you either never go through this,
or managed to get in your choice of
sch thats why you were talking 风凉话. Clarify with the school or not, it's my matter. You as a passer by can ignore my words. I am seeking adv from parents here, not here to listen to sacastic words from
u. I am not a saint, probably u r i guess!

[patlsy79]

pls just put a full stop here. Dont want to stir shits further. Thanks

all for your kinds words n advices, but not
to sacastic people!

[ChiefKiasu]

Hobbes:

I don't understand why everyone would encourage such behavior. It's precisely of things like these that everyone is so damn unhappy. So you couldn't make it to the school of choice. Did the world stop spinning? Will getting someone else in trouble guarantee that you will get the place instead? If this is the way you think then sadly out society has degenerated to building joy on someone else's misery. Well done Singapore.

I'm not sure why you would classify this as \"deriving joy from someone else's misery\". This is not about being vindicated. I don't think I felt joy when I had to pointedly tell my colleague to do the right thing and leave a note on the car she damaged. I would have much preferred she did it herself without me opening my mouth. Yes, things would have been much more pleasant for me and her if I had just went along with her decision to just drive away. But the innocent owner of the other car will probably think about how \"society has degenerated\" to people just getting away with wrongdoings if they think they can. Is his misery not as important as my wish to stay friends with my colleague?

It's a simple matter of fair play, of working within the rules rather than around them. It is people who try to work around the system by taking advantage of the loopholes in the system who add misery to those who genuinely stay near the schools. Schools like Nanhua are impossible to get in without balloting against great odds, even for those who stay right next to them.

I have no sympathy for anyone who rents an address just to register for a school, without ever intending to stay at that address. The system, for all its quirks, must retain its integrity in applying its rules. If people think that they can get away with fraud just because the system does not have the resources to enforce the rules, they will do that. What kind of society or culture will we be building then? One whereby we condone poor behavior of people we know just because they are our friends, bosses, professors or church leaders?

[Hobbes]

ChiefKiasu:

Hobbes:

I don't understand why everyone would encourage such behavior. It's precisely of things like these that everyone is so damn unhappy. So you couldn't make it to the school of choice. Did the world stop spinning? Will getting someone else in trouble guarantee that you will get the place instead? If this is the way you think then sadly out society has degenerated to building joy on someone else's misery. Well done Singapore.

I'm not sure why you would classify this as \"deriving joy from someone else's misery\". This is not about being vindicated. I don't think I felt joy when I had to pointedly tell my colleague to do the right thing and leave a note on the car she damaged. I would have much preferred she did it herself without me opening my mouth. Yes, things would have been much more pleasant for me and her if I had just went along with her decision to just drive away. But the innocent owner of the other car will probably think about how \"society has degenerated\" to people just getting away with wrongdoings if they think they can. Is his misery not as important as my wish to stay friends with my colleague?

It's a simple matter of fair play, of working within the rules rather than around them. It is people who try to work around the system by taking advantage of the loopholes in the system who add misery to those who genuinely stay near the schools. Schools like Nanhua are impossible to get in without balloting against great odds, even for those who stay right next to them.

I have no sympathy for anyone who rents an address just to register for a school, without ever intending to stay at that address. The system, for all its quirks, must retain its integrity in applying its rules. If people think that they can get away with fraud just because the system does not have the resources to enforce the rules, they will do that. What kind of society or culture will we be building then? One whereby we condone poor behavior of people we know just because they are our friends, bosses, professors or church leaders?

I'm not referring to the example of the car. You did the right thing of course. With regard to schools, I have 2 kids both in school. I also did not get their school of choice. But we worked to get the in later on. Certainly not by trying to report anyone to any authorities. Are we begrudging someone a place in school just because they can afford it? Or are we saying that living within a km of a school gives u privilege to get in? That being the case, that's why people are buying or renting in the first place. It's their choice to spend their money right? Anyway I apologize if I have offended anyone. You can also choose to ignore my post.

[bagabunny]

Hi, may I know where to see the info on the numbers who withdrew from phases 1 to 2B? Can’t see from MOE website now.

Thanks

[ChiefKiasu]

Hobbes:

... With regard to schools, I have 2 kids both in school. I also did not get their school of choice. But we worked to get the in later on. Certainly not by trying to report anyone to any authorities. Are we begrudging someone a place in school just because they can afford it? Or are we saying that living within a km of a school gives u privilege to get in? That being the case, that's why people are buying or renting in the first place. It's their choice to spend their money right? Anyway I apologize if I have offended anyone. You can also choose to ignore my post.

To me, the issue is about whether people who rent the place actually use the place as they promised. I have nothing against anyone who genuinely needed to rent and stay in these rented homes. It is for these people that the system has to introduce flexibility (kudos to MOE), which unfortunately also leaves a large gaping loophole.

This is exploited by landlords who would receive rent from people whom they know will never stay in their premises, which makes the landlords happy, and the perpetrators are happy because they get the school they want. Since everyone is happy, no one will say anything about this, and the practice continues. While we have little evidence to say that this is widespread, the fact that http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=699 say that they would use an address that they do not stay in just to get priority is a sad reflection that this could be a significant problem if the system has no mechanism to enforce fair behavior.

Obviously if one is rich and owns multiple properties, he can easily beat the system by using the address of the property nearest to the school, even if the child does not actually stay there. He is even working within the rules of the system because that's what it allows. But would you consider this to be morally right?

By the way, with regards to your question of whether staying \"within a km of a school gives u privilege to get in\", this right is already accorded by MOE within each Phase that requires balloting. It makes little sense to \"begrudge\" anyone staying close to the schools a place in the school. For the same reason, it makes little sense to give a place to anyone who do not stay close to schools but uses money to buy a temporary address near schools. Of course its their money. But it is both morally wrong and a felony. They can be charged under the http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/aol/search/display/view.w3p;page=0;query=CompId%3A7dfa1723-212b-46e0-a105-d67544669fd0;rec=0 for submitting a false contact address in their NRIC, and for defrauding MOE on its P1 Registration rules.