Dunman High School (Junior High)

[AZWildcat]

AZWildcat:

wonderm:

2 or 4 scored 8 distinctions? Do you know out of how many students?


HCI has 50 scored 8 distinction out of 1100 students.
RI has 84 scored 8 distinction out of 1200+ students. (both according to their published news)

I will take a photo of the notice board on Monday evening when I fetch my DD after her CCA and will update

These are from the notice boards:

3 H2 pass + GP/KI Pass = 272 or 93.8%
>= 3 H2 Distinctions = 102 or 35.2%
4 H2 Distinctions = 46 or 27.9%
>= 4 Distinctions = 138 or 47.6%
>= 7 Distinctions = 19 or 6.6%

[nothing2do]

sunnydaysingapore:

this is just the beginning.


dunman high will reach greater height next year and the years to come.


let's pick up the pieces and move on. :lol:

Agree with u.

[xxjustakidxx]

Dr Hon:

For your information, HCI’s mean university admission score is 85 out of the possible 90 points, which is among the highest in Singapore. There is no reason why we are afraid of releasing the data. We just want to observe the agreement we have with the other JCs’ Principals.

From the students notice board (EMB) , sorry, just wish to inform.

[Momokosan]

Hi


Today, our principal briefed us the “A” level results saying that the percentage
of candidates getting 7 > = Distinctions is comparable to NJC and VJC
I wonder why there is a need to compare Dunman High to HCI and RI,
It’s against different benchmark.
Just as what Mr Wei Han had mentioned

WeiHan:

That being said, we still need to be fair, it takes two hand to clap. Very good mainstream O level students are willing to choose RI and HCI. That it.

HCI and RI had the best of both worlds, they take in the crème of the crops from both PSLE and “O” level pupils, like that, how to compare?

[Momokosan]

Dear sunnydaysingapore


I read with interest your postings
May I know which \"camp\" you 're in ?
one moment saying bad about Dunman and the other moment

sunnydaysingapore:

德明加油！we can do it! :celebrate:

I am blur :?

[jing09292003]

Momokosan:

Hi


Today, our principal briefed us the “A” level results saying that the percentage
of candidates getting 7 > = Distinctions is comparable to NJC and VJC
I wonder why there is a need to compare Dunman High to HCI and RI,
It’s against different benchmark.
Just as what Mr Wei Han had mentioned

WeiHan:

That being said, we still need to be fair, it takes two hand to clap. Very good mainstream O level students are willing to choose RI and HCI. That it.

HCI and RI had the best of both worlds, they take in the crème of the crops from both PSLE and “O” level pupils, like that, how to compare?

In recent two years, the COP of Dunman High is reach or even higher the HCI, so the parent want to know the output also --- A level result. The compare is fair.

[Momokosan]

jing09292003:

In recent two years, the COP of Dunman High is reach or even higher the HCI, so the parent want to know the output also --- A level result. The compare is fair.

You should know that HCI (JC) comprises of pupils from NYGH and HCI + creme of crop from \"O\" level.
while RI (JC) comprises of pupils from RGS and RI + creme of crop from \"O\" level.

COP where got the same ? (except maybe for hci itself)
You still think the comparison is fair ?

[kevin1]

jing09292003:

In recent two years, the COP of Dunman High is reach or even higher the HCI, so the parent want to know the output also --- A level result. The compare is fair.

Hi jing09292003,

Although there's still room for improvement for Dunman High's A Level results, I would still say it's not fair to compare with RI or HCI's result for the following reasons:

1) Girls generally do better than boys in PSLE. Look at the COP and mean PSLE score of RGS and NYGH for this year and compare it with DHS:

RGS: COP:260, Mean:267
NYGH: COP:263, Mean:268
DHS: COP:258, Mean:262

Historically, the gender ratio of DHS' students is always 2 girls to 1 boy. This means that DHS' COP and mean are mainly influenced by the female student it takes in. So we can infer from the mean PSLE scores that both NYGH and RGS are getting better female students than DHS.

You argued that COP of DHS is about the same as HCI. Let's look at the mean and COP for HCI this year:

HCI: COP:257, mean: 262

Again, it goes back to the point that girls do better than boys in PSLE, hence HCI may seemingly has about the same COP and mean PSLE score as DHS but in actual fact HCI is taking the better male students. If DHS separates its COP and mean PSLE scores for boys and girls then it will be obvious which school is taking in the brighter students.

Also take note that NYGH's students will eventually go to HCI for A levels, so you can't just compare the COP and mean PSLE scores of DHS with HCI only.

To sum it up, one shouldn't just look at COP at a superficial level and make deduction about student calibre.

2) HCI and RI and many other JCs receives late-bloomers who did well for O levels but DHS does not. This was a point raised by Weihan in another post so I won't repeat it here again. I just want to highlight that we shouldn't underestimate the effect of just taking in 100 or 200 of these late-bloomers. These students are not necessarily inferior to those in the IP; in fact they may be better at acing exams due to the experience they acquire when they did their O levels and may contribute to the number of students with 7,8 or 9 distinctions. Unfortunately, DHS do not have this luxury.

3) DHS was the traditional feeder school for VJC and TJC before it implemented the IP. If you have been to VJC or TJC during the 1st 3 months where students still wore their secondary school uniform a few years ago, you will be amazed by the no. of Dunmanians in VJ and TJ. In the old JC ranking VJ and TJ were almost always ranked 3rd and 4th behind HCJC and RJC. Hence it is only fair DHS now compares itself to VJC and TJC.

4) The difference in the amount of resources that independent schools such as HCI and RI have at its disposal compared to government/autonomous schools(DHS, RV) is vast. HCI and RI probably expanded their campus with the resources they have so that they can take in more students and have a virtual monopoly on students of high cailbre.

[Momokosan]

kevin1:

Hi jing09292003,


Although there's still room for improvement for Dunman High's A Level results, I would still say it's not fair to compare with RI or HCI's result for the following reasons:

1) Girls generally do better than boys in PSLE. Look at the COP and mean PSLE score of RGS and NYGH for this year and compare it with DHS:

RGS: COP:260, Mean:267
NYGH: COP:263, Mean:268
DHS: COP:258, Mean:262

Historically, the gender ratio of DHS' students is always 2 girls to 1 boy. This means that DHS' COP and mean are mainly influenced by the female student it takes in. So we can infer from the mean PSLE scores that both NYGH and RGS are getting better female students than DHS.

You argued that COP of DHS is about the same as HCI. Let's look at the mean and COP for HCI this year:

HCI: COP:257, mean: 262

Again, it goes back to the point that girls do better than boys in PSLE, hence HCI may seemingly has about the same COP and mean PSLE score as DHS but in actual fact HCI is taking the better male students. If DHS separates its COP and mean PSLE scores for boys and girls then it will be obvious which school is taking in the brighter students.

Also take note that NYGH's students will eventually go to HCI for A levels, so you can't just compare the COP and mean PSLE scores of DHS with HCI only.

To sum it up, one shouldn't just look at COP at a superficial level and make deduction about student calibre.

2) HCI and RI and many other JCs receives late-bloomers who did well for O levels but DHS does not. This was a point raised by Weihan in another post so I won't repeat it here again. I just want to highlight that we shouldn't underestimate the effect of just taking in 100 or 200 of these late-bloomers. These students are not necessarily inferior to those in the IP; in fact they may be better at acing exams due to the experience they acquire when they did their O levels and may contribute to the number of students with 7,8 or 9 distinctions. Unfortunately, DHS do not have this luxury.

3) DHS was the traditional feeder school for VJC and TJC before it implemented the IP. If you have been to VJC or TJC during the 1st 3 months where students still wore their secondary school uniform a few years ago, you will be amazed by the no. of Dunmanians in VJ and TJ. In the old JC ranking VJ and TJ were almost always ranked 3rd and 4th behind HCJC and RJC. Hence it is only fair DHS now compares itself to VJC and TJC.

4) The difference in the amount of resources that independent schools such as HCI and RI have at its disposal compared to government/autonomous schools(DHS, RV) is vast. HCI and RI probably expanded their campus with the resources they have so that they can take in more students and have a virtual monopoly on students of high cailbre.

Hi kevin1
You have well elaborated what I have mentioned. You have put all my thoughts into words.Thx.

[daisyt]

RI, HCI = approx $300 per month

DHS, RV = $15 per month
Not comparable even if we view at financial point.