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[Jojo77]

ksks:

rainbobo:

[quote=\"ksks\"]There is no streaming from p1 to p4. P4 going to p5 is the determining streaming year. Streaming is based on academic. The school also set aside a class for students who are on school sport team.

Thanks! so by saying the streaming is based on academic, they look at all the past academic record? or just the year end result for P4? Thanks.

P4 overall results only.[/quote]There is no more sport class.

[bggb]

Do our kids really need a phone? What is the appropriate age to give? I think there is no easy answer.


Towards the end of last year, my husband and I finally gave in to our son’s persistent request on the condition that he gets above 80% for his P3. This is also to put a stop to his constant comparison as to why almost everyone in his class has a phone and he does not have one?! Why can’t he own one too?! I am sure this sounds familiar.

Prior to handling him this little gadget, we told him daddy and mummy have the right to check his phone and he agrees. This is just the beginning of the nightmare. Although the teachers do not encourage them to form WhatsApp chat group, they are unable to stop the class from creating one. These are what I have observed:

:shock: Between 2pm to 6pm, my son’s phone is usually switched off and once we turn on the phone, there are at least 200 to 300 messages! Instead of spending time doing and concentrating on their homework, the children are obviously busy with the little “toy”.

:shock: 95% of the messages are non-stop spamming and I simply classified them as “junk”. They are obviously too free. Maybe the teachers should give more school work.

:shock: Taking photos of their answers and share with the chat group. There are many copy cats in the group who simply COPY and lazy to THINK!

:shock: I was horrified by the amount of vulgarities and horrendous languages used and these kids are only P4!!! “Wa lao”, “Knn lah”, “go to hell lah”, “go and jump lah”, “u RIP”, “die better sia” etc…… the most common one is “lol” which is fine. These may just be for “fun” but it is definitely not a joke if something unfortunate really happens.

:shock: Usually boys are the ones who started the abusive languages but sooner or later, the girls will follow or argue back. There are a couple of bla-bla black sheep in the group who are very bad influence to all. A few of them, I was shocked! Really unbelievable that they are so naughty! Wolf disguised in a sheep's clothing.

:shock: Non-stop comparison of who is richer. How much money they have. Whose house or car is bigger. How many countries they have been to. Comparing how much pocket money they bring to school each day.

:shock: Every time when my son exit the group chat, someone in the class will add him back. Your child may also face similar problem but dare not tell you. I told him he can read but do not reply.

:shock: Day dreaming in class and not taking down homework in the student diary. Keep asking friends what is the homework for the day.

:shock: When parents check the phone, they only get to see their “good boy” or “good girl”. The kids are way too smart! They quickly left the chat group informing their classmates that the father/ mother is going to check the phone soon. After the parents checked the phone, they message another friend to add them back to the class chat and the nonsense continues. What you see is not what you get. They are doing something BEHIND YOUR BACK.

:shock: Making jokes and laughing at parents/ teachers who DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING!

I am a SAHM so I have been observing and following the class chat group for the past 5 to 6 months. It is really getting from bad to worse. When they are in P5 or P6, I cannot imagine how it is going to be like. For parents who are busy working, you probably need to monitor more closely. For those parents who did not give the little “toy” to your child, you are the winner as you are the spared from this headache.

If a child uses the phone appropriately, for example to contact their parents or to check with friends regarding schoolwork matters, it is perfectly fine. How many of them are mature enough to do so? Even the class so called most well-behaved prefect is frequently using vulgarities in the WhatsApp chat (really jaw-breaking!!!) and I am very sure her parents are kept in the dark. It is easy to tell other parents how well behaved their children are but when it comes to something not too good, it is very difficult to tell even though we may know each other.

I know some classes use Dojo for communication which I think may be a better platform instead of WhatsApp. PCPS is quite a good neighbourhood school and it is really disappointing that the students are behaving like little hooligans! Another A.Yee in the making?? Most are not even 10 years old! Perhaps it is due to students coming from different family background in a neighbourhood environment, some more complicated than others. If you are a parent reading this and amidst all your busy work schedule, it is time to step in and make them aware that you know EVERYTHING before it’s too late.

[ksks]

Bggb


My stand on hand phone for my kids are very clear. Primary school days strictly no smartphone - only plain vanilla phone for contact purposes.
Smartphone can and will be given after psle. I.e. going to secondary school.

The proliferation of chatgps and use of vulgarities in chat is not unique to pcps and it happens to all schools, including top schools. We can only explain that children got matured at a younger age nowadays.

[bggb]

Ksks, I think to some parents, using of vulgarities is fine as they use them frequently at home. However to most, it is not acceptable. I know there are black sheep in every school just that neighborhood schools will have more. It is not about sheltering them but to teach them what is right and wrong, and to know what is happening. Most of them are not even 10 years old and I do not think challenging their classmates to go and die is a right thing to do. Neither is asking why the knn teacher gave so much writing is correct! I should have given a plain vanilla phone too. No offense but I hope you are not a teacher from the school to just brush away and "let it be"…


As a parent, if we do not protect our own child, who will? We can’t just leave the job to the schools or the teachers. Maybe some children are just trying to seek their parents’ attention. I am not sure.

I am just sharing what I know and if some parents think it is ok, it is fine. Just that if something unfortunate really happen, no fingers pointing.

[ksks]

Bggb


I think i should clarify that im not advocating vulgarities. If my child used it, i will sternly tell them off too.
My point is if a smartphone is given to your child, then it is difficult to control n have to accept it. You can’t control what other children said or do. The evil is in the smartphone. Try replacing it before it gets too deep rooted and sour the relationship with your child.

[bggb]

Agree wholeheartedly that the evil is the smartphone. I also know of some kids who are totally hook onto the games. My greatest regret is to give in to his request at a such a young age. To think about it, do I really need to contact him because I already know what time his AS or CCA lessons end. At least for me, I am not working so I am always there guiding him the rights and the wrongs. My intend is just to share with other parents who may not be aware what their children are doing. Every kid is someone’s precious child and we do not wish something bad to happen.

[yellowdirtyfellow]

bggb:

Towards the end of last year, my husband and I finally gave in to our son’s persistent request on the condition that he gets above 80% for his P3. This is also to put a stop to his constant comparison as to why almost everyone in his class has a phone and he does not have one?! Why can’t he own one too?! I am sure this sounds familiar.


Prior to handling him this little gadget, we told him daddy and mummy have the right to check his phone and he agrees. This is just the beginning of the nightmare. Although the teachers do not encourage them to form WhatsApp chat group, they are unable to stop the class from creating one. These are what I have observed:

:shock: Between 2pm to 6pm, my son’s phone is usually switched off and once we turn on the phone, there are at least 200 to 300 messages! Instead of spending time doing and concentrating on their homework, the children are obviously busy with the little “toy”.

:shock: 95% of the messages are non-stop spamming and I simply classified them as “junk”. They are obviously too free. Maybe the teachers should give more school work.

:shock: Taking photos of their answers and share with the chat group. There are many copy cats in the group who simply COPY and lazy to THINK!

:shock: I was horrified by the amount of vulgarities and horrendous languages used and these kids are only P4!!! “Wa lao”, “Knn lah”, “go to hell lah”, “go and jump lah”, “u RIP”, “die better sia” etc…… the most common one is “lol” which is fine. These may just be for “fun” but it is definitely not a joke if something unfortunate really happens.

:shock: Usually boys are the ones who started the abusive languages but sooner or later, the girls will follow or argue back. There are a couple of bla-bla black sheep in the group who are very bad influence to all. A few of them, I was shocked! Really unbelievable that they are so naughty! Wolf disguised in a sheep's clothing.

:shock: Non-stop comparison of who is richer. How much money they have. Whose house or car is bigger. How many countries they have been to. Comparing how much pocket money they bring to school each day.

:shock: Every time when my son exit the group chat, someone in the class will add him back. Your child may also face similar problem but dare not tell you. I told him he can read but do not reply.

:shock: Day dreaming in class and not taking down homework in the student diary. Keep asking friends what is the homework for the day.

:shock: When parents check the phone, they only get to see their “good boy” or “good girl”. The kids are way too smart! They quickly left the chat group informing their classmates that the father/ mother is going to check the phone soon. After the parents checked the phone, they message another friend to add them back to the class chat and the nonsense continues. What you see is not what you get. They are doing something BEHIND YOUR BACK.

:shock: Making jokes and laughing at parents/ teachers who DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING!

I am a SAHM so I have been observing and following the class chat group for the past 5 to 6 months. It is really getting from bad to worse. When they are in P5 or P6, I cannot imagine how it is going to be like. For parents who are busy working, you probably need to monitor more closely. For those parents who did not give the little “toy” to your child, you are the winner as you are the spared from this headache.

If a child uses the phone appropriately, for example to contact their parents or to check with friends regarding schoolwork matters, it is perfectly fine. How many of them are mature enough to do so? Even the class so called most well-behaved prefect is frequently using vulgarities in the WhatsApp chat (really jaw-breaking!!!) and I am very sure her parents are kept in the dark. It is easy to tell other parents how well behaved their children are but when it comes to something not too good, it is very difficult to tell even though we may know each other.

I know some classes use Dojo for communication which I think may be a better platform instead of WhatsApp. PCPS is quite a good neighbourhood school and it is really disappointing that the students are behaving like little hooligans! Another A.Yee in the making?? Most are not even 10 years old! Perhaps it is due to students coming from different family background in a neighbourhood environment, some more complicated than others. If you are a parent reading this and amidst all your busy work schedule, it is time to step in and make them aware that you know EVERYTHING before it’s too late.

Hi bggb
As a student that has graduated from Pei Chun a few years back, I am, to be very honest, not at all surprised. I got my phone around the same age as your son did, and I have had my fair share of spam messages on whatsapp.

Firstly, regarding spam messages, I used to receive around 900-1000 messages a day from my class group chat, with the majority being spam too. This would not only result in my phone hanging all the time, but also missing out on important information. And hence I tried telling the group not to spam so many messages, but many ignored me and continued what they were doing. I told my mum, who then decided to write about what was happening to her parents' group chat. (There was one which allowed us to keep track of information, since it was almost impossible to get these information from my class group chat). This was a very effective method, as in a month, the number of messages decreased to about 100-200. Perhaps, you could try doing so too. If you are unable to get the kids to stop sending spam, then try to tell them through their parents.

Secondly, I am not very surprised by the vulgarities. In P3-P4, the group chat used to comprise of a lot of vulgarities. Personally, I feel that you might be overreacting. These children are probably using these vulgarities to engage in \"friendly\" arguments. Some of them probably don't even know the meaning of these vulgarities! Others, who say things like \"go and die\", probably do not know the severity of saying such things, and you might as well close one eye when seeing such a situation. To clarify, I am not advocating vulgarities. I don't believe that it is any right for them to use vulgarities just because they are younger. I just feel that you could take their words with a pinch of salt as they have not even matured yet. However, if this (and insulting teachers) really bother you, I feel that you could screenshot these vulgarities/insulting messages and email them to the form teacher. I am sure that he/she will take the appropriate measures. (someone did that once and our whole class got severely punished by our teacher)

Thirdly, like you, I feel that insulting the teachers should not be condoned. We should respect our teachers. However, if we could look at things in another perspective, we can see why these children rant about their teachers, some even going great lengths to create group chats just to insult their teachers. As a student, you plan to spend the whole day...perhaps watching TV. However, your teacher gives you about 5 worksheets to do. As a child, you would dislike the fact that she does so as she would have taken away some of your break time. These type of situation occurs more than once and you find that you don't like this teacher after a while. Hence you want to complain about this teacher to your friends. You do so in real life, but you get even bolder and you complain more in the digital world, as you believe no one is watching. And based on my experience, it is only when they grow older that these children would stop their childish acts. (As someone who had done such actions in the past, I feel very remorseful and rather disappointed in myself when I look back on it.) Also, if you would consider this: Children may be doing it in real life too, and not just behind their screens. You never know.

Finally, regarding children flaunting their wealth. Children these days are materialistic. They believe that more money=more popular. And while we oppose to such actions, as we believe that wealth should not be the only thing determining who you are, it is hard to do anything about it. This is their mindset. This is the way they think. It is difficult to make them realise that going around flaunting their wealth won't do them much good. However, you could, again, perhaps share this information with parents. I am very sure the majority of parents would be horrified hearing their children going about flaunting their wealth and would do something about it.

Fortunately, these above actions would be less common in P5/P6 as compared to in P3/P4, as children would probably be absorbed in studying for PSLE than to be ranting about teachers, or having \"friendly banters\" with their fellow classmates. Thereby, I wish you and your family the best in your future endeavours.

[bggb]

yellowdirtyfellow:

As a student that has graduated from Pei Chun a few years back, I am, to be very honest, not at all surprised. I got my phone around the same age as your son did, and I have had my fair share of spam messages on whatsapp.


Thank you for the honest sharing dear. I showed the messages on my son’s phone to my friends who have children in other schools. They were shocked! Some of the kids also have smartphones and class chat and yes spams are unavoidable but they do not exchange vulgarities like my son's class. They do rant and argue but not at the level of my son's class chat. We are very curious where the kids learnt all these vulgarities from. Do the teachers in the school also speak like this too? I am not sure if the kids' English vocabulary knowledge is as strong as their Hokkien vulgarities.

Firstly, regarding spam messages, I used to receive around 900-1000 messages a day from my class group chat, with the majority being spam too.

:yikes:

Secondly, I am not very surprised by the vulgarities. In P3-P4, the group chat used to comprise of a lot of vulgarities. Personally, I feel that you might be overreacting. These children are probably using these vulgarities to engage in \"friendly\" arguments.

Holy Crap!! Do you mean few years ago, the school was already like this and no improvement to step up on discipline?? This is quite unique to PCPS. Really? “knn” and “cb” are friendly arguments? It inevitably makes one wonders if there are discipline problems within the school where kids at such tender age are so well-versed in vulgarities. Like I mentioned earlier, vulgarities may be acceptable to some parents but for me and many others, we can’t. I do not think it is about over reacting. You are the rare few whom after being exposed to such unhealthy environment, turn out fine (very lucky). Majority of the kids will become bad to worse if the parents continue to let them be and feel it is alright. Eventually, when the students are in their teenage years and only then that parents decide to step-in, it is too late.

Thirdly, like you, I feel that insulting the teachers should not be condoned. We should respect our teachers. However, if we could look at things in another perspective, we can see why these children rant about their teachers, some even going great lengths to create group chats just to insult their teachers.

Insulting the teachers versus ranting are two separate issues. There is absolutely no mannerism nor respect for the teachers. No matter how upset you are with all the writings or school work, the kids should not be using such crude words even it is just chatting on the phone!

It is really very disappointing because all the while, the impression I have of SAP schools is a positive one. Friends told me SAP schools being rich in Chinese culture provides a conducive study environment. Judging the behavior of the students, it appears that the teaching of great Confucious (Di Zi Gui) does not prove effective at all. It failed big time! Fortunately, I put my younger one in a convent school and from the way the girls behave, the discipline at my daughter's school is highly commendable. Even the teachers are very caring and make every effort to understand and help each child. At least, my daughter is in good hands.

I am also curious why using of hand phones during school hours is allowed? I know in other schools, hp needs to be switched off during school hours. Only after school then they can switch it on. There are several Whatsapp messages between 9am to 11am and it is not even recess time. I do not understand why the need to message when everyone is together, in school. It is strange teachers allow the students to use phones in class when the students should be paying attention and concentrating. Not sure if it is also like this during your time.

Anyway I know if other kids want to use phone in class/ school, I cannot stop them. The most I can do is to teach my child not to do that. The evil of smartphones!

[sean wife]

Hi,


Can anyone share 2015 SA1 Maths paper for P3? I bought the 2015 past year paper set but Pei Chun paper is not in the set…

Thanks.

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There is no proper boundaries set by the parents. Cash and asset rich but poor child-management.

It was wise of your son to exit and delete the chat group. For me, I deleted all chat groups that my child was in. There is a need to curb the usage of smartphones and I have heard stories from my friends' that the children will gossip in the chat group and bitch about their friends. Some are addicted to gaming on the phone.

Luckily you are a SAHM to monitor your child. A wise decision not to work at the time when your child needs you to be around to supervise him and provide him a wholesome environment. Pei Chun is not the only school whose students spent too much of their time on their phones. Other primary school students do that too.

bggb:

Do our kids really need a phone? What is the appropriate age to give? I think there is no easy answer.

Towards the end of last year, my husband and I finally gave in to our son’s persistent request on the condition that he gets above 80% for his P3. This is also to put a stop to his constant comparison as to why almost everyone in his class has a phone and he does not have one?! Why can’t he own one too?! I am sure this sounds familiar.

Prior to handling him this little gadget, we told him daddy and mummy have the right to check his phone and he agrees. This is just the beginning of the nightmare. Although the teachers do not encourage them to form WhatsApp chat group, they are unable to stop the class from creating one. These are what I have observed:

:shock: Between 2pm to 6pm, my son’s phone is usually switched off and once we turn on the phone, there are at least 200 to 300 messages! Instead of spending time doing and concentrating on their homework, the children are obviously busy with the little “toy”.

:shock: 95% of the messages are non-stop spamming and I simply classified them as “junk”. They are obviously too free. Maybe the teachers should give more school work.

:shock: Taking photos of their answers and share with the chat group. There are many copy cats in the group who simply COPY and lazy to THINK!

:shock: I was horrified by the amount of vulgarities and horrendous languages used and these kids are only P4!!! “Wa lao”, “Knn lah”, “go to hell lah”, “go and jump lah”, “u RIP”, “die better sia” etc…… the most common one is “lol” which is fine. These may just be for “fun” but it is definitely not a joke if something unfortunate really happens.

:shock: Usually boys are the ones who started the abusive languages but sooner or later, the girls will follow or argue back. There are a couple of bla-bla black sheep in the group who are very bad influence to all. A few of them, I was shocked! Really unbelievable that they are so naughty! Wolf disguised in a sheep's clothing.

:shock: Non-stop comparison of who is richer. How much money they have. Whose house or car is bigger. How many countries they have been to. Comparing how much pocket money they bring to school each day.

:shock: Every time when my son exit the group chat, someone in the class will add him back. Your child may also face similar problem but dare not tell you. I told him he can read but do not reply.

:shock: Day dreaming in class and not taking down homework in the student diary. Keep asking friends what is the homework for the day.

:shock: When parents check the phone, they only get to see their “good boy” or “good girl”. The kids are way too smart! They quickly left the chat group informing their classmates that the father/ mother is going to check the phone soon. After the parents checked the phone, they message another friend to add them back to the class chat and the nonsense continues. What you see is not what you get. They are doing something BEHIND YOUR BACK.

:shock: Making jokes and laughing at parents/ teachers who DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING!

I am a SAHM so I have been observing and following the class chat group for the past 5 to 6 months. It is really getting from bad to worse. When they are in P5 or P6, I cannot imagine how it is going to be like. For parents who are busy working, you probably need to monitor more closely. For those parents who did not give the little “toy” to your child, you are the winner as you are the spared from this headache.

If a child uses the phone appropriately, for example to contact their parents or to check with friends regarding schoolwork matters, it is perfectly fine. How many of them are mature enough to do so? Even the class so called most well-behaved prefect is frequently using vulgarities in the WhatsApp chat (really jaw-breaking!!!) and I am very sure her parents are kept in the dark. It is easy to tell other parents how well behaved their children are but when it comes to something not too good, it is very difficult to tell even though we may know each other.

I know some classes use Dojo for communication which I think may be a better platform instead of WhatsApp. PCPS is quite a good neighbourhood school and it is really disappointing that the students are behaving like little hooligans! Another A.Yee in the making?? Most are not even 10 years old! Perhaps it is due to students coming from different family background in a neighbourhood environment, some more complicated than others. If you are a parent reading this and amidst all your busy work schedule, it is time to step in and make them aware that you know EVERYTHING before it’s too late.