Raffles Institution (Year 1-4)
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zbear:
RI is not at a disadvantage, but individual students, especially those that don't stand out from the crowd, may be at a disadvantage compared with those who are more outstanding in other JCs. I would say that the academic risk is about the same in most JCs are students do pretty well across the board and poor results are determined more by the individual's ability, hard work etc than the JC.So how can RI, the No 1 JC be at a disadvantage?
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Within RI, as any school, there is a pecking order and limited leadership and other roles. I have a child in RI, who has to compete much more to be noticed because everyone is smart and able, while my other daughter, in MI, gets more notice because she is among the upper range of students there. But she wouldn't stand a chance in RI, even if she had got in.
For the daughter in RI, she might stand out more and do a lot better in leadership etc in a less-competitive environment. But how we see it is that being in RI gives her a chance to learn where she stands, and if she doesn't get to the top there, so be it. At least she is not struggling, which would a concern. It could be a disadvantage later when she is up against those who have leadership experience in other JCs and she may not have in RI, but it's a risk we decided to take. There is no perfect situation where everything works in an ideal way; those who look for the ideal usually are disappointed in one aspect or another. -
I think most people miss out the main purpose of going RI - the experience be it 6 or 2 years - of being in a unique learning environment, stretching out your max potential, the friends you keep, the default network you inherit, etc.
There is no limit on what you can achieve there. Many of the student initiated projects are on par with professionally organized vwo etc and they run quietly in the background while the kids excel in the academics.
Scholarship to most of the kids in the yearly 1200-1300 cohort is just an after thought, or don’t bother. -
pirated:
I agree. Seeing everyone around you push themselves to give off their best pushes you to try that much harder.I think most people miss out the main purpose of going RI - the experience be it 6 or 2 years - of being in a unique learning environment, stretching out your max potential, the friends you keep, the default network you inherit, etc.
There is no limit on what you can achieve there. Many of the student initiated projects are on par with professionally organized vwo etc and they run quietly in the background while the kids excel in the academics.
Scholarship to most of the kids in the yearly 1200-1300 cohort is just an after thought, or don't bother. -
jtoh:
And even if you don't get to the top, the experience can be invaluable. That's what I tell my daughter. As long as she isn't struggling miserably and too pressured, I think it's good for her at this age. I tell her to regard the competition as a stretching exercise more than a race to the top, then she won't feel too stressed.
I agree. Seeing everyone around you push themselves to give off their best pushes you to try that much harder.pirated:
I think most people miss out the main purpose of going RI - the experience be it 6 or 2 years - of being in a unique learning environment, stretching out your max potential, the friends you keep, the default network you inherit, etc.
There is no limit on what you can achieve there. Many of the student initiated projects are on par with professionally organized vwo etc and they run quietly in the background while the kids excel in the academics.
Scholarship to most of the kids in the yearly 1200-1300 cohort is just an after thought, or don't bother. -
doodley:
Yes, it's useless. Both my dc have a dip with distinction. No use at all.randwick:
How useful or how recognisable is the Raffles Diploma? Anyone can share?
Sorry, but i think it is useless. -
zbear:
I must have posted this extract from Eddie Teo's 2nd open letter to PSC scholarship applicants 3 times in KSP. Please read again:
PSC needs to be fair n give out scholarships to deserving students regardless of which JCs but how many from the mid n low tier JCs received them?
If you have the statistics, pls share.
Meritocracy is definitely NOT dead in Singapore. If it is, why is everyone chasing after grades n excellence in all areas?
[quote]The PSC continues to reach out to students from different schools and backgrounds in our outreach efforts. These efforts have ridden on prevailing educational changes and broadened our intake of scholars in recent years.
Over the last 10 years, 68% of scholars came from RI and Hwa Chong, peaking in 2007 at 82%. In the last two years, they comprised 60% of the total cohort.
In 2002, the first Polytechnic student was awarded a PSC Overseas Merit Scholarship. Students from JCs such as Pioneer, St. Andrew’s and Nanyang are also starting to receive scholarships. They no longer rule themselves out from applying, on the mistaken belief that they have no chance.
This trend will continue as our top talent continues to spread throughout our schools. There will always be top schools which are more popular than others. There is nothing wrong in this, so long as they continue to take in students from all socio-economic classes, and the overall landscape allows students from other schools a chance to enter and rise to the top in any career, including the Public Service.
13. This emerging diversity has not been achieved at the cost of ability. High standards have been retained and PSC only awards scholarships to those who truly deserve them. We continue to subscribe to meritocracy and do not practise affirmative action or positive discrimination.[/quote]
I don't think which top IPJC you come from is that important. The panel has a tendency to look at your socio-economic background. Really depends on your panel of the day. -
zbear:
Are there any President Scholars from low tier or mid tier JCs?
Mostly from RI/RJC, HCJC, NJC. Some outliers in some years. -
zbear:
BTW, do you know of any Ministers graduating from Jurong, Yishun or Tampines JC (just to name some examples but not necessarily so).
Pls share - thanks.
Most ministers (not looking beyond Cabinet yet) are in their 50s. So ask yourself, which were the top JCs that top O level students in that age group would typically pick in that era? It could be RJC, HCJC, NJC. Fewer from TJC. Therefore, you'd see more from these top 3 JCs.
Were TPJC and YJC around yet? JJC was around but was pitched at a diff group of O level applicants.
If you wait for a few more elections to pass, you might see more from NUSH, VJC, DHS perhaps.
There's currently one from VJC, Lawrence Wong.
The JCs/high schools of some Cabinet ministers like Yaacob, Khaw, Gan, Iswaran are not published.
You mustn't just look at their JCs. Many came from neighbourhood primary and secondary schools. -
jetsetter:
Khaw is from top school, in Penangzbear:
BTW, do you know of any Ministers graduating from Jurong, Yishun or Tampines JC (just to name some examples but not necessarily so).
Pls share - thanks.
Most ministers (not looking beyond Cabinet yet) are in their 50s. So ask yourself, which were the top JCs that top O level students in that age group would typically pick in that era? It could be RJC, HCJC, NJC. Fewer from TJC. Therefore, you'd see more from these top 3 JCs.
Were TPJC and YJC around yet? JJC was around but was pitched at a diff group of O level applicants.
If you wait for a few more elections to pass, you might see more from NUSH, VJC, DHS perhaps.
There's currently one from VJC, Lawrence Wong.
The JCs/high schools of some Cabinet ministers like Yaacob, Khaw, Gan, Iswaran are not published.
You mustn't just look at their JCs. Many came from neighbourhood primary and secondary schools.
Chung Ling High and ACS Penang
Gan is from cat high and NJC and Cambridge -
pirated:
Khaw is from top school, in Penangjetsetter:
[quote=\"zbear\"]BTW, do you know of any Ministers graduating from Jurong, Yishun or Tampines JC (just to name some examples but not necessarily so).
Pls share - thanks.
Most ministers (not looking beyond Cabinet yet) are in their 50s. So ask yourself, which were the top JCs that top O level students in that age group would typically pick in that era? It could be RJC, HCJC, NJC. Fewer from TJC. Therefore, you'd see more from these top 3 JCs.
Were TPJC and YJC around yet? JJC was around but was pitched at a diff group of O level applicants.
If you wait for a few more elections to pass, you might see more from NUSH, VJC, DHS perhaps.
There's currently one from VJC, Lawrence Wong.
The JCs/high schools of some Cabinet ministers like Yaacob, Khaw, Gan, Iswaran are not published.
You mustn't just look at their JCs. Many came from neighbourhood primary and secondary schools.
Chung Ling High and ACS Penang
Gan is from cat high and NJC and Cambridge[/quote]Ah yes, was trying to recall Gan's JC. Same as LSS, VB, LTY...
There were others who'd stepped down. There might be a few from TJC during LKY or GCT's admin, if you dig the archives? There could be more from mid-tier JCs in the second rung - SMSes, MOSes and third rung - Parl Secs.
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