Any Updates As To When PSLE T-Scores Will Be Scrapped?
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jetsetter:
No, not on its way 'out'...It cannot be 'out', because PM never said 'out' in 2013 NDR speech.Zappy:
Looks like DSA Academic is on its way out too...
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/sin ... 76764.html
\"...the ministry aims to sharpen the focus of the DSA to better recognise talents and achievements in specific domains, rather than general academic ability that can be demonstrated through the PSLE.\"
NCM only said:[quote]Meanwhile, the Direct School Admission (DSA) scheme, which was introduced in 2004 to promote holistic education for students, will undergo a review to bring it back to its original policy intent, said Mr Ng, who noted “some unevenness in how different schools select their DSA students”.
The review will seek to open up more options in more secondary schools for students with specific aptitudes and talents to nurture their interests and talents. The MOE will also try to “sharpen the focus” of the scheme to better recognise students’ talents and achievements in specific domains, rather than looking only at their general academic ability as reflected by PSLE scores.
I hope he can expand on this in 2-3 months' time as he has promised to do so this morning in Parl:
1. \"Meanwhile\" - so after MOE's review, how will this affect candidates taking PSLE before 2021? That is, will the tweaked DSA to place more emphasis on non-academic abilities apply to 2017-2020 batches? Or only kicks in in 2021?
2. In 2015, HSK mentioned 2 programmes will be developed by the secondary schools to let students have more choices. NCM didn't elaborate on what programmes these are.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/more-secondary-education/2067184.html
Will they be available to the 2017-2020 batches?
3. I note the word \"general\" in \"general academic ability\". Currently, if I'm not wrong, DSA thru academic is not via \"general\" ability, right? Thought it's through 1 specialised subject, say English or Math?? :scratchhead: Those with generally good grades won't even stand a chance vs those with special MO awards or SO awards?
4. Will DSA Academic domain be totally removed? If yes, when? 2021? Or anytime now 2017 till 2020? I note the use of \"Meanwhile...\"
5. How will this affect GEP applicants, if this domain is to be removed or downplayed?
6. If the new DSA selection criteria is to be implemented anytime before 2021, what are the things students due for PSLE2017-2020 should look out for in terms of CCA commitments, special talent development, achievements? Can he give us some heads-up?[/quote]GEP = General Academic Ability, no? So no DSA thru General Academic Ability means DSA thru GEP is scrapped?
As noted, currently DSA Academic for Mainstream students are subject specific, so that will continue? -
nicnac:
How come everyone is so conservative with the score (10 pts, 9pts)
.. I thought maybe PSLE score 2 pts to get into RGS, RI or HCI, just like the 'o' levels pts to JCs.
The final PSLE point/aggregate cannot possibly be too ridiculously small, as: 1) PSLE only has 4 subjects but O level looks at 6 subjects; 2) they need to use this MAGIC POINT to deduct bonus points (if they adopt this method); they need it to sieve out the \"creme de la creme\"; and 4) to stream some 39-40K candidates into NT/NA/EXP/SAP/IP for distribution into 153 schools.
The band must be wider. Within A, you might have A1 - A5....Within B, you might see B6 - B10.
I hope they won't include E & F grades for PSLE2021. Our 12-yo kids' weak hearts cannot accept grades with the letters, \"E\" and \"F\", on their 1st high stakes exam certificate! So a wider band of grades with prefix \"A\" to encourage them, please...
Will leave it to the MOE/SEAB statisticians to work out... -
jetsetter:
I have friends whose children already in school team. Outside, they still send their children to reputable coaches!!!! Talk about DSA....this is the extreme that parents will do for their children as long as no obstacles blocked their path for their children to use DSA to enter sec sch as long as they have loads of spare cash to dispose.ngl2010:
Jetsetter, parents can always send for CCA tuition/enrichment e.g. those in sports. There are many coaches ready to coach children...
Oh dear! That's really extreme! :faint:
I was thinking of maybe boy scouts, boys brigade, girl guides n UG that cannot be trained.
For CCA sports, I thought students are already trained by school coaches?
For performing arts, I believe there's no need to seek external training? The school trainers or music teachers will train them to read scores n play instruments.
So scary :yikes: -
zulu:
No, not on its way 'out'...It cannot be 'out', because PM never said 'out' in 2013 NDR speech.jetsetter:
[quote=\"Zappy\"]Looks like DSA Academic is on its way out too...
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/sin ... 76764.html
\"...the ministry aims to sharpen the focus of the DSA to better recognise talents and achievements in specific domains, rather than general academic ability that can be demonstrated through the PSLE.\"
NCM only said:[quote]Meanwhile, the Direct School Admission (DSA) scheme, which was introduced in 2004 to promote holistic education for students, will undergo a review to bring it back to its original policy intent, said Mr Ng, who noted “some unevenness in how different schools select their DSA students”.
The review will seek to open up more options in more secondary schools for students with specific aptitudes and talents to nurture their interests and talents. The MOE will also try to “sharpen the focus” of the scheme to better recognise students’ talents and achievements in specific domains, rather than looking only at their general academic ability as reflected by PSLE scores.
I hope he can expand on this in 2-3 months' time as he has promised to do so this morning in Parl:
1. \"Meanwhile\" - so after MOE's review, how will this affect candidates taking PSLE before 2021? That is, will the tweaked DSA to place more emphasis on non-academic abilities apply to 2017-2020 batches? Or only kicks in in 2021?
2. In 2015, HSK mentioned 2 programmes will be developed by the secondary schools to let students have more choices. NCM didn't elaborate on what programmes these are.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/more-secondary-education/2067184.html
Will they be available to the 2017-2020 batches?
3. I note the word \"general\" in \"general academic ability\". Currently, if I'm not wrong, DSA thru academic is not via \"general\" ability, right? Thought it's through 1 specialised subject, say English or Math?? :scratchhead: Those with generally good grades won't even stand a chance vs those with special MO awards or SO awards?
4. Will DSA Academic domain be totally removed? If yes, when? 2021? Or anytime now 2017 till 2020? I note the use of \"Meanwhile...\"
5. How will this affect GEP applicants, if this domain is to be removed or downplayed?
6. If the new DSA selection criteria is to be implemented anytime before 2021, what are the things students due for PSLE2017-2020 should look out for in terms of CCA commitments, special talent development, achievements? Can he give us some heads-up?[/quote]GEP = General Academic Ability, no? So no DSA thru General Academic Ability means DSA thru GEP is scrapped?
As noted, currently DSA Academic for Mainstream students are subject specific, so that will continue?[/quote]Yeah, zulu, as I was typing those words, I thought of GAT too.
Someone mentioned for MSers, it's subject specific. Not sure how this will pan out.
I'm more interested to know if this so called review and implementation of new DSA criteria is effective 2021 or earlier. -
nicnac:
This is because this complaining of stress is a never-ending story.... Whatever changes are made, there will always be someone who find that it is a new stress.
MOE is making changes to reduce the students' stress... how come parents' stress level went up instead :?
For a progressive country like Singapore, we always need to look for new ways of doing things so how not to have stress? Stress is inevitable but learning how to cope with the stress is more critical than trying to keep changing the system to reduce the stress.
The way stress is deemed to be reduced would be
1. Hide as much detail information from parents as possible....blur until dunno how to stress
2. Focus on non academic stuff but later majority of the parents would realise that actually academic stuff is even easier to excel than talented areas. Measurement is more objective than subjective talent management. So parents would be stressed looking for that talent which may or may not exist in their kids. -
Anything that help move away from academic result is a good step in the right direction. Kids will grow up to be all rounded rather than being book smart. Yes, there will still be stress, but its for the better good of child development.
The worst thing can possible happen is if parent start to force their kid to take up CCA that is of no interest to the kid -
Veyron:
Yes, except that this policy is merely changing the measurement of academic results, and NOT removing academic results. How does that help in growing all-rounded kids?Anything that help move away from academic result is a good step in the right direction. Kids will grow up to be all rounded rather than being book smart. Yes, there will still be stress, but its for the better good of child development.
The worst thing can possible happen is if parent start to force their kid to take up CCA that is of no interest to the kid -
jetsetter:
Aiyah. It is only secondary school lah. No need to sort so finely or sieve out the \"creme de la creme\". The cream will still rise to the top anyway.
The final PSLE point/aggregate cannot possibly be too ridiculously small, as: 1) PSLE only has 4 subjects but O level looks at 6 subjects; 2) they need to use this MAGIC POINT to deduct bonus points (if they adopt this method); they need it to sieve out the \"creme de la creme\"; and 4) to stream some 39-40K candidates into NT/NA/EXP/SAP/IP for distribution into 153 schools.
The band must be wider. Within A, you might have A1 - A5....Within B, you might see B6 - B10.
I hope they won't include E & F grades for PSLE2021. Our 12-yo kids' weak hearts cannot accept grades with the letters, \"E\" and \"F\", on their 1st high stakes exam certificate! So a wider band of grades with prefix \"A\" to encourage them, please...
Will leave it to the MOE/SEAB statisticians to work out...
Just do balloting for everybody with the same number of points. -
pirate:
But still need to be fine enough.
Aiyah. It is only secondary school lah. No need to sort so finely or sieve out the \"creme de la creme\". The cream will still rise to the top anyway.jetsetter:
The final PSLE point/aggregate cannot possibly be too ridiculously small, as: 1) PSLE only has 4 subjects but O level looks at 6 subjects; 2) they need to use this MAGIC POINT to deduct bonus points (if they adopt this method); they need it to sieve out the \"creme de la creme\"; and 4) to stream some 39-40K candidates into NT/NA/EXP/SAP/IP for distribution into 153 schools.
The band must be wider. Within A, you might have A1 - A5....Within B, you might see B6 - B10.
I hope they won't include E & F grades for PSLE2021. Our 12-yo kids' weak hearts cannot accept grades with the letters, \"E\" and \"F\", on their 1st high stakes exam certificate! So a wider band of grades with prefix \"A\" to encourage them, please...
Will leave it to the MOE/SEAB statisticians to work out...
Just do balloting for everybody with the same number of points.
Distrbuting to 153 sec sch is not like distributing to 20-22 JCs, pre U.
Balloting? More stressful for parents -
Veyron:
The worst is when the school tells you you can't take a certain CCA cos you don't show potential.Anything that help move away from academic result is a good step in the right direction. Kids will grow up to be all rounded rather than being book smart. Yes, there will still be stress, but its for the better good of child development.
The worst thing can possible happen is if parent start to force their kid to take up CCA that is of no interest to the kid
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