Any Updates As To When PSLE T-Scores Will Be Scrapped?
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pirate:
Stop being melodramatic. The change in PSLE is not going to result in the likes of RI having to accept all B students instead of still having all A students.[/quote]Have you spoken to parents of kids from RI/HCI before, and asked how hard their kids have to work despite meeting the COP.
A big assumption being made by some is that one can take any student and dump him into a top sch and automatically he'll strive in the exacting std that is expected. Is that really so?iRabbit:
[quote=\"FB555\"]Those Top sec schools will not be able to identify which is the 'top cream' of the whole corhort so i don't know how they are going to admit new sec 1 students, since there will be a lot if p6 students falling into the same 'A' grade.
there has already noise being made by public(in the straits times) abt top sec sch 'chope' bright students thru DSA.
Now we're saying to enlarge the pool, thereby indirectly lowering the std of the intake. I'm just not as positive as you. I feel that something has to give. -
with this new banding system, there will be no difference if the student achieve the top end or bottom end of the A banding, hence there will sure be a much larger and richer pool of As students at the end of every PSLE exam.
Tuition and enrichment for sure can help kid score As, but an As student in PSLE might not necessary be intelligent. On the other hand, an intelligent kid might not always top the class, but they can excel in other areas, which are now being consider as critical for secondary school admission -
XYZ1:
The kids will now start on the right foot but definitely not on equal footing :gloomy: ...
You need to possess certain level of material resources to sign your kids up for atas sports/music enrichments (ferry your child/course fees/equipment fees)....so again back to some discussion here, WHERE is that level playing field?Ikid:
But when it comes to the millennial kids, the non-academic enrichments become more competitive, as their parents are pampered with wider range of enrichments, sailing, shooting, fencing, golf, atas musical instruments, and so forth.
I wanted to let my DD learn harp when she was younger...so that she can stand out...but later I realized that the course fees are ex and even harp can cost $20K for one....(teacher told me there are cheap ones from china but they dun advise buying)...so, I dropped the idea entirely..
If kid is not so academically inclined, then means the parents are pitting their wealth?
I shudder to think of kids coming from ave/below-ave income families.... -
cherryc:
Got, in this very forum a few years ago regarding T scoreOther than the scoring band and Dsa , did moe say they will change/improve other things like teacher - students ratio , school resource , textbooks and increasing tuition trend and other school related stuff . Else is 治标不治本
Some of us are just trying to get through day by day in big classes of 42 boys with Teachers frequently losing steam . You just need 2-3 naughty boys and the Teachers will be screaming off their lungs till they are absent next day . We have frequent \" mixed ability \" relief Teachers too while the Teachers are busy off accompanying Cca for competition or study leave etc . Or we have lots of HODs or Teachers from branded schools opening tuition centre everywhere . And we have million dollar tutors earning several times more than our Teachers . I'm puzzled who actually complained that the psle scores are cut too fine when there are lots of other more glaring problems.
Maybe that's why MOE has decided to change. :roll: -
iRabbit:
You place too much faith in T-scores as an accurate predictor of how well a child is able to keep up. Someone who went for tuition for all 4 subjects, did tons of assessment books and just made the COP is more likely to struggle than someone with no tuition, fooled around most of the time and missed the COP by 10.
Have you spoken to parents of kids from RI/HCI before, and asked how hard their kids have to work despite meeting the COP.
Now we're saying to enlarge the pool, thereby indirectly lowering the std of the intake. I'm just not as positive as you. I feel that something has to give.
The idea of a 'top' secondary school is an invention by parents. If one is gunning for a place in a top university, coming from a 'top' secondary school is actually a disadvantage. Between 2 applicants with similar results, the likes of Oxford and Cambridge is more likely to select the student from the secondary school or JC they have never heard of. They already have enough students from RI and HCI.
For less than perfect results an applicant from RI/HCI will have practically no chance because in their minds 'everybody there has perfect scores'. 25 years ago my don already commented \"everybody from Hwa Chong has 4 As.\" Someone from the likes of Millenia Institute who just missed a perfect score may still be considered.
Top universities want diversity. They want their universities to be interesting places. A Singaporean student from RI/HCI is not interesting. They have them every year. -
Many of the world best sportsmen, musicians, artists, innovators actually comes from poor and humble background. And if money can make buy talent, then Singapore should have already top the world in many area.
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dimsum:
Talking about prefects, I think boys are really disadvantaged in coed sch. Every year, I counted the number of boys in the prefectorial board. Gosh, so pathetic!!! It can be like less than 15 out of total of 60? And EXCO will be 100% girls.[/quote]Girls are more obedient than boys. And many would be from META/GEP.
:goodpost:Busymom:
[quote=\"XYZ1\"]My opinion is that there will be further non-transparency...and this will jolt parents in taking ultimate kiasuism where their kids must no longer be academically savvy but they are supposed to be CCA/leadership savvy as well....this will put further stress on our kids who are already struggling (except for those with natural inclination like top students/geppers) with the current standard of the primary sch education.
I am disappointed that there are no plans to improve sec schools further so that parents can stop pushing their kids towards ONLY THAT FEW SCHOOLs... why can't we improve the teacher vs student ratio in some schools further? Already we hv PMETs who are made redundant by the swift changing landscape of our economy, how abt helping these PMETs to make a career switch to co-teaching and we can improve the teacher vs student ratio in those \"neigbhourhood\" sec schools so that the students can be nurtured/monitored by teachers closely and hence even if they had not done well in PSLE, but they can always be nurtured to do better in O levels. 这不就能一石二鸟吗, ie solve PMET unemployment problem and reinforce the \"every school is a good school\" slogan. Instead of revamping PSLE, I think the focus should be to give parents A LOT more confidence that no matter which sec school our kids go to, they will be duly nurtured and developed. This will then take stress off PSLE so that parents do not push the kids towards \"target\" schools? My DS is an average kid and I really hope that the local school systems can do more to help kids like him develop...some kids just need more time. 孩子们要走的路还很长呢。。。
Just my person opinion...
Especially agree with you on the highlighted part. It's open secret that head prefect / prefects are the academically strong students who are quai as well.
It's really not about leadership, unfortunately. -
I know what you ladies are talking about. I noticed the trend too. In 2014, the Head Prefect was fm GEP n the Vice one from META.
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The ideal outcome of the new PSLE system is that a child would have an all rounded education that goes beyond the books. However, given Singaporeans’ mentally, it may have unintended consequences with parents finding ways and means to game the system to the extreme trying to give their children a leg up against the rest.
Parents nowadays are so highly educated and information sharing so fast, it is likely that well before 2021, most would have foreseen the possible outcomes and already formulated an optimal game plan to get their child ahead. The outcome may well be the opposite of what the policy makers seek to achieve, more competitive pressure and higher stress for the children.
Unless the revamp to the secondary school selection process is so thorough that there is no longer any competitive pressure. But how likely is that? -
Aiyah. The majority of kids are not in GEP schools, where there is no such things as META lah. There are only 9 GEP schools. You guys are all worked up over 9 head prefects and 9 vice head prefects a year?
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