Any Updates As To When PSLE T-Scores Will Be Scrapped?
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iRabbit:
When I posted that remark, I was thinking of the really really smart children. You know the kind in GEP still can sweep multiple awards during EOY prize presentation, or those who were selected for secondary level national training team while they were still in primary sch.
My sentiments...jetsetter:
[quote=\"iRabbit\"]
So in the name of diversity, we dumb down our brightest while other countries are grooming their best from young. This is what I fear if the bands get too big and we disallow acad DSA in future.
We can't rule that out yet, can we?
Sometimes my son brings back model essays from sch. Seriously, if I didn't know better, I would have thought they were written by adults, not 11 year olds. So good were those works.
One really have to see the works of those children to truly understand why I feel it's a wasted opportunity if those raw diamonds are not sent to the best schools for polishing.[/quote]I certainly hope that the MOE will not device a new scoring system that will drastically affect the top 3% (>260) or even the top 10% (>250) coz they already had the IP set up to groom this group.
The new system shd be such that it is able to identify this band BUT should not rank them too finely, ie, one can have the same 'new points' even if they are 5 T-score points apart.
That being said, a 245 pointer may just get into IP even though he is outside the top 10% based on T-score. -
zoolet:
With such change, now the gov can truly say we need to employ foreign talents. All our students are above average but we don't have the shinning stars. Hence, FTs really needed....
But I get the feeling reading between the lines that the gov is saying that our high pressure, tuition/enrichment/preparation lesson centric system of examinations and top school selection exercises is not producing the type of shining stars that is necessary for the new value creating (as opposed to value adding) economy. -
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pirate:
They've been saying that for decades! Ever since I was in school anyway, and that was in the 70s. All their tinkering with the system hasn't done much to improve things, it seems. My personal opinion is that the \"system\", but setting so many requirements coupled with our population's willingness to adapt to the \"rules of the game\", tends to laud all-rounders. Unfortunately, those who might otherwise be shining stars in niche areas spend so much time on the areas where they are weak that they don't spend enough to shine in their strong areas. It will take official recognition that there isn't a one-size-fits-all \"ideal\" coupled with parents' and students' willingness to accept that tha vast majority can't and shouldn't aim to be top in everything, or even equally good in everything.zoolet:
With such change, now the gov can truly say we need to employ foreign talents. All our students are above average but we don't have the shinning stars. Hence, FTs really needed....
But I get the feeling reading between the lines that the gov is saying that our high pressure, tuition/enrichment/preparation lesson centric system of examinations and top school selection exercises is not producing the type of shining stars that is necessary for the new value creating (as opposed to value adding) economy. -
pirate:
pirate: They need to widen our talent pool. For decades, they haven't quite produced any shining stars thru the old selection system. How many scholars or gifted people are really creating new jobs for our workers? They have either migrated, posted overseas for several years, or are huddled up in an establishment that doesn't allow their giftedness to flourish. How many smarty pants dare step out of their comfort zone to start up a new company?zoolet:
With such change, now the gov can truly say we need to employ foreign talents. All our students are above average but we don't have the shinning stars. Hence, FTs really needed....
But I get the feeling reading between the lines that the gov is saying that our high pressure, tuition/enrichment/preparation lesson centric system of examinations and top school selection exercises is not producing the type of shining stars that is necessary for the new value creating (as opposed to value adding) economy.
They woke up one day after meeting Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Ma and a few other entrepreneurs and discovered for the longest time, they had neglected the 95% majority aka 'Average Guys' who were sieved out early by the 'fine' system, so now, they decide to make amends by giving them a leg-up.
zoolet: FTs will still be required in some sectors. We don't have enough local highly-skilled talent. They have been locked up by the govt who paid for their tuition fees. :siam: -
jetsetter:
True lah but can't blame the educational policies then, just that the government is not willing to release its monopolistic hold on local talents. One of the founders of Coursera, Andrew Ng was educated locally but he is not likely to have come so far had he stayed on in Singapore.
pirate: They need to widen our talent pool. For decades, they haven't quite produced any shining stars thru the old selection system. How many scholars or gifted people are really creating new jobs for our workers? They have either migrated, posted overseas for several years, or are huddled up in an establishment that doesn't allow their giftedness to flourish. How many smarty pants dare step out of their comfort zone to start up a new company?pirate:
But I get the feeling reading between the lines that the gov is saying that our high pressure, tuition/enrichment/preparation lesson centric system of examinations and top school selection exercises is not producing the type of shining stars that is necessary for the new value creating (as opposed to value adding) economy.
They woke up one day after meeting Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Ma and a few other entrepreneurs and discovered for the longest time, they had neglected the 95% majority aka 'Average Guys' who were sieved out early by the 'fine' system, so now, they decide to make amends by giving them a leg-up.
zoolet: FTs will still be required in some sectors. We don't have enough local highly-skilled talent. They have been locked up by the govt who paid for their tuition fees. :siam:
By the way, Mark Zuckberg is not 95% of the majority, he studied at Harvard and has an excellent academic track record. -
lee_yl:
True lah but can't blame the educational policies then, just that the government is not willing to release its monopolistic hold on local talents. One of the founders of Coursera, Andrew Ng was educated locally but he is not likely to have come so far had he stayed on in Singapore.
pirate: They need to widen our talent pool. For decades, they haven't quite produced any shining stars thru the old selection system. How many scholars or gifted people are really creating new jobs for our workers? They have either migrated, posted overseas for several years, or are huddled up in an establishment that doesn't allow their giftedness to flourish. How many smarty pants dare step out of their comfort zone to start up a new company?jetsetter:
[quote=\"pirate\"]
But I get the feeling reading between the lines that the gov is saying that our high pressure, tuition/enrichment/preparation lesson centric system of examinations and top school selection exercises is not producing the type of shining stars that is necessary for the new value creating (as opposed to value adding) economy.
They woke up one day after meeting Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Ma and a few other entrepreneurs and discovered for the longest time, they had neglected the 95% majority aka 'Average Guys' who were sieved out early by the 'fine' system, so now, they decide to make amends by giving them a leg-up.
zoolet: FTs will still be required in some sectors. We don't have enough local highly-skilled talent. They have been locked up by the govt who paid for their tuition fees. :siam:
By the way, Mark Zuckberg is not 95% of the majority, he studied at Harvard and has an excellent academic track record.[/quote]Sure, but our current 5% typically don't venture out of their cocoons like those in the West. Life is too comfortable. -
iRabbit:
When I posted that remark, I was thinking of the really really smart children. You know the kind in GEP still can sweep multiple awards during EOY prize presentation, or those who were selected for secondary level national training team while they were still in primary sch.
My sentiments...jetsetter:
[quote=\"iRabbit\"]
So in the name of diversity, we dumb down our brightest while other countries are grooming their best from young. This is what I fear if the bands get too big and we disallow acad DSA in future.
We can't rule that out yet, can we?
Sometimes my son brings back model essays from sch. Seriously, if I didn't know better, I would have thought they were written by adults, not 11 year olds. So good were those works.
One really have to see the works of those children to truly understand why I feel it's a wasted opportunity if those raw diamonds are not sent to the best schools for polishing.[/quote]I guess they won't leave them unattended after the new scoring system is implemented. Surely there'll still be opportunities for these really really good diamonds to be polished to maximise their brilliance.
We need at least a decade to see the actual effects, i.e. 2031, when the 2021 batch's graduated and entered the workforce.
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jetsetter:
When you gift our 5% scholarships and emplace them on super scale government jobs where the risk of losing their job is extremely low, is there any wonder why very few wants to venture out of their cocoons?
Sure, but our current 5% typically don't venture out of their cocoons like those in the West. Life is too comfortable.
I still believe that the Excellent ones will always prevail. This new policy is probably enough to give them a little nudge at an early age while keeping them relatively safe and protected. -
floppy:
From a cynic's perspective, this is a low cost to pay to ensure political and social stability in the country. This group of 5% is kept in a comfort zone so that they will not think of inciting revolution or be lead advocates of change
When you gift our 5% scholarships and emplace them on super scale government jobs where the risk of losing their job is extremely low, is there any wonder why very few wants to venture out of their cocoons?jetsetter:
Sure, but our current 5% typically don't venture out of their cocoons like those in the West. Life is too comfortable.
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