Any Updates As To When PSLE T-Scores Will Be Scrapped?
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Technospaz:
Agree with both. With the introduction of the new grading system, MOE should just scrap off all affiliation advantages once and for all. How many parents are sincere alumni? Even a loyalty program requires much contribution from consumers. And alumni status works like a monarchy system to me which is outdated in our meritocratic society. If it is not possible to be done at P1 registration stage as I know there may be some social issues, MOE can just offer balloting advantage over a tie at S1 posting.UBKmom:
By standardising the affiliation cut-off will also indirectly reduce the P1 enrolment stress, like if you missed out in P1, you still have a high chance to get into it secondary school if you work hard. Again, this will give everyone a fairer chance to enter these school irregardless of your connections/background.
Not that I don't agree but so long as there's an advantage for P1 students to get into certain Primary Schools based on their parents' alumni status, the concept of what is fair in the education system is very artificial. -
I genuinely believe MOE has good intention to make children's life less meritocratic. But the sad truth is that there are only this many vacancies in JC, followed by less vacancies in local collages, follow by so called \"good jobs\". And salary gaps between different jobs are huge. And regardless of how much you earn, Singaporeans work longer hours. So no matter what new rules MOE will implement, we kiasuparents will put extra effort to participate in this game.
What I cannot accept about the new system is the balloting part. For adults in workplace, hardworking is recognized, talent is recognized. And both are well rewarded. For those unlucky children who are balloting out their dream school and land who knows where. What can we tell them? Sorry, life is unfair!? I do acknowledge that. But isn't it our job to drive the system fairer and transparent rather than the other way? We buy toto for fun, we don't work hard for it. So it's ok that normally we don't win
. But PSLE, the children and their family work hard to achieve something equally worth their effort. Potential large scale of balloting is not acceptable. This also make the submitting of choice of school worth studying. Good for the already booming enrichment industry. They can have new class just to teach you how to properly fill the schools to minimize heart attack. :censored: -
My opinion is Life Is Not Fair. Some are born with more brain, others with more ball sense. I told my kid hardwork never guarantee you get what you want. Because every boy thinks he works the hardest and he should get what he wants. But there is a limited supply of "RI"…
I am inclined to think with more top kids "spilling" out to other schools, we will be better off creating more "top" schools.
Alternativley, perhaps scrapping IP system is another way to create a spread of top kids to other schools… And reduce the pressure at p6. This means back to the days when Hwa Chong , NJ etc was a good mix of kids from many schools including VIctoria, RGS, MGS, RV, Assumption, Tanglin secondary etc… -
ParkYuni:
Agree with both. With the introduction of the new grading system, MOE should just scrap off all affiliation advantages once and for all. How many parents are sincere alumni? Even a loyalty program requires much contribution from consumers. And alumni status works like a monarchy system to me which is outdated in our meritocratic society. If it is not possible to be done at P1 registration stage as I know there may be some social issues, MOE can just offer balloting advantage over a tie at S1 posting.[/quote]I have to disagree with this. Affiliation is fair because it is normal to put your family (a.k.a. your own students) before helping others. This is because some students are late bloomers and they should not be penalized just because they couldn't get a high score in primary school.Technospaz:
[quote=\"UBKmom\"]By standardising the affiliation cut-off will also indirectly reduce the P1 enrolment stress, like if you missed out in P1, you still have a high chance to get into it secondary school if you work hard. Again, this will give everyone a fairer chance to enter these school irregardless of your connections/background.
Not that I don't agree but so long as there's an advantage for P1 students to get into certain Primary Schools based on their parents' alumni status, the concept of what is fair in the education system is very artificial.
Anyway, even in working world, \"affiliation\" does exist. Your chance to get a job in a particular company is sometimes affected by your \"affiliation\" (a.k.a. internal referral). It's unfair, but it's real. -
galaxyraider:
:?I have to disagree with this. Affiliation is fair because it is normal to put your family (a.k.a. your own students) before helping others. This is because some students are late bloomers and they should not be penalized just because they couldn't get a high score in primary school.
Anyway, even in working world, \"affiliation\" does exist. Your chance to get a job in a particular company is sometimes affected by your \"affiliation\" (a.k.a. internal referral). It's unfair, but it's real. -
galaxyraider:
It's fair only when it's private money. But schools take taxpayers money. I would wonder why I am paying for other people's privileges?
I have to disagree with this. Affiliation is fair because it is normal to put your family (a.k.a. your own students) before helping others. This is because some students are late bloomers and they should not be penalized just because they couldn't get a high score in primary school.
Anyway, even in working world, \"affiliation\" does exist. Your chance to get a job in a particular company is sometimes affected by your \"affiliation\" (a.k.a. internal referral). It's unfair, but it's real. -
pirate:
Not everyone has the same choices of schools, so it might still work. It doesn't mean all 4-pointers will put RI as their top choice.
Probably the same place as somebody with a T-score of 230 who put 1st choice NYGH, 2nd choice RGS, 3rd choice MGS, 4th choice Dunman High IP, 5th choice St Nicks IP and 6th choice SCGS. :evil:ryka:
My question is where the student go if ALL (2nd, 3rd, 4th,...) his/her choices school has been fully subscribed?
If I have 4-5 points AL, naturally I will pick all the best/popular schools..
These schools may have been fully subscribed.
I predict this kind of scenario may happen.
Now that MOE has told you how the system is going to work, why would you want to go and do something stupid like that? :scratchhead: -
hquek:
By this argument, you have just validated the logic for affiliation.
It's fair only when it's private money. But schools take taxpayers money. I would wonder why I am paying for other people's privileges?
Affiliated schools are not fully funded by taxpayers money as they are independent or government aided schools.
Refer to http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/content/choosing-primary-school-singapore:
\"These are schools which has a significant part of their funds coming from the Singapore government. These funds are supplemented from other private sources such as fund-raising activities. Many of these schools form part of a group of schools that cover from Primary up to Junior College and even tertiary education. Such schools maintain a certain level of autonomy over how they operate. For example, they can choose to offer class sizes that are different from that recommended by MOE. Some parents prefer these schools because of their flexibility and affiliation to a certain brand of education.\" -
floppy:
unless they are independent, they still take monies from govt, no?
By this argument, you have just validated the logic for affiliation.hquek:
It's fair only when it's private money. But schools take taxpayers money. I would wonder why I am paying for other people's privileges?
Affiliated schools are not fully funded by taxpayers money as they are independent or government aided schools.
Refer to http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/content/choosing-primary-school-singapore:
\"These are schools which has a significant part of their funds coming from the Singapore government. These funds are supplemented from other private sources such as fund-raising activities. Many of these schools form part of a group of schools that cover from Primary up to Junior College and even tertiary education. Such schools maintain a certain level of autonomy over how they operate. For example, they can choose to offer class sizes that are different from that recommended by MOE. Some parents prefer these schools because of their flexibility and affiliation to a certain brand of education.\" -
galaxyraider:
That's contradictory. If you put your family first before helping others than for those others without affiliation, how is it fair? It's only fair if everyone (family or not) has an equal opportunity to get into a school.I have to disagree with this. Affiliation is fair because it is normal to put your family (a.k.a. your own students) before helping others. This is because some students are late bloomers and they should not be penalized just because they couldn't get a high score in primary school.
Anyway, even in working world, \"affiliation\" does exist. Your chance to get a job in a particular company is sometimes affected by your \"affiliation\" (a.k.a. internal referral). It's unfair, but it's real.
The only deciding factors should be:
1. Do you have an existing sibling who is currnetly studying in that school (since this makes it easier for families to manage all their children in one school); and
2. Do you live closeby to the school (since this makes it easier for families to send their children to the school and for school activities etc.).
Everything else should not matter. The concept of PVs etc. arose because people are clamoring to get into schools where they do not necessarily satisfy #1 and/or #2 above.
Just my 2cents.
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