Any Updates As To When PSLE T-Scores Will Be Scrapped?
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ryka:
Pirate... I do not think 4 or 5 points AL will equate to t-score 230!
You miss the point altogether. -
ngl2010:
Where did I say that dream school only available to children with 4 A*? :?[/quote]There are X equally qualified children who want to get into a particular 'dream school'. There are only X-Y available places. Why should they have any problem with having to ballot when they are not even necessarily at the top of the heap, unless they have an entitlement mentality?pirate:
[quote=\"ngl2010\"]I feel a 10% probability of not getting into dream school despite working very hard is unfair. It will never happen under the old system. So, every year there will be 4,000 disappointed children. How are we going to tell our child to work hard in the future if they are balloted out? One day they will become 10% of the work force. Would the S1 bitter experience still haunt them? So, no need to work too hard as they don't have as good luck as others? Or, is it parents' responsibilities to make sure they bounce back? There are some children that just don't bounce back or will be scarred by it.
Every year there are 4,000 students with 4 A*s? Sure or not? :skeptical:
I think if the end all and be all of education for a primary school child is to get into a particular 'dream' secondary school, then the child has a more serious problem than having to ballot. :siam:pirate:
As if what questions happen to come out isn't a question of luck. :razz:
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I strongly suggest MOE to run simulation, start from 2016 PSLE. Request the students to hand in 6 choices of school. And later calculate the percentile of those got ballot out of all their 6 choices. Then compare his score to the highest score from the school he landed, and the lowest score from his choice. I believe the result will be shocking!
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zephyrfei:
I strongly suggest MOE to run simulation, start from 2016 PSLE. Request the students to hand in 6 choices of school. And later calculate the percentile of those got ballot out of all their 6 choices. Then compare his score to the highest score from the school he landed, and the lowest score from his choice. I believe the result will be shocking!
Yes, should start doing parallel run, starting with this year batch of 2016 P6 students, to provide vital info to public -
- What is the AL cut off point like, to enter each IP school, and also to enter all O level schools, including both O level and N level stream ?
- how many unlucky students are balloted out of popular IP schools, & out of popular O level schools ?
For these students balloted out : what are their AL score, like ?
- for the unlucky P6 students balloted out, in the end which secondary schools did they end up in, or get posted to ?
How great is the difference, in terms of AL score difference, between their last #6 choice, vs. The school that they got eventually posted to ?
- compare the before & after implementation results :
That is, under current T-score system and under the new AL score system :
Do the second Tier secondary schools, have a better quality of intake students Under AL vs. t-score ?
Start the rehearsal from 2016 until 2020 (for 5 years), so as to prepare parents and students mentally, for what is to come, in 2021.
See what kind of unexpected glitches or shocking results, may surface ! -
Technospaz:
Agree with both. With the introduction of the new grading system, MOE should just scrap off all affiliation advantages once and for all. How many parents are sincere alumni? Even a loyalty program requires much contribution from consumers. And alumni status works like a monarchy system to me which is outdated in our meritocratic society. If it is not possible to be done at P1 registration stage as I know there may be some social issues, MOE can just offer balloting advantage over a tie at S1 posting.UBKmom:
By standardising the affiliation cut-off will also indirectly reduce the P1 enrolment stress, like if you missed out in P1, you still have a high chance to get into it secondary school if you work hard. Again, this will give everyone a fairer chance to enter these school irregardless of your connections/background.
Not that I don't agree but so long as there's an advantage for P1 students to get into certain Primary Schools based on their parents' alumni status, the concept of what is fair in the education system is very artificial. -
I genuinely believe MOE has good intention to make children's life less meritocratic. But the sad truth is that there are only this many vacancies in JC, followed by less vacancies in local collages, follow by so called \"good jobs\". And salary gaps between different jobs are huge. And regardless of how much you earn, Singaporeans work longer hours. So no matter what new rules MOE will implement, we kiasuparents will put extra effort to participate in this game.
What I cannot accept about the new system is the balloting part. For adults in workplace, hardworking is recognized, talent is recognized. And both are well rewarded. For those unlucky children who are balloting out their dream school and land who knows where. What can we tell them? Sorry, life is unfair!? I do acknowledge that. But isn't it our job to drive the system fairer and transparent rather than the other way? We buy toto for fun, we don't work hard for it. So it's ok that normally we don't win
. But PSLE, the children and their family work hard to achieve something equally worth their effort. Potential large scale of balloting is not acceptable. This also make the submitting of choice of school worth studying. Good for the already booming enrichment industry. They can have new class just to teach you how to properly fill the schools to minimize heart attack. :censored: -
My opinion is Life Is Not Fair. Some are born with more brain, others with more ball sense. I told my kid hardwork never guarantee you get what you want. Because every boy thinks he works the hardest and he should get what he wants. But there is a limited supply of "RI"…
I am inclined to think with more top kids "spilling" out to other schools, we will be better off creating more "top" schools.
Alternativley, perhaps scrapping IP system is another way to create a spread of top kids to other schools… And reduce the pressure at p6. This means back to the days when Hwa Chong , NJ etc was a good mix of kids from many schools including VIctoria, RGS, MGS, RV, Assumption, Tanglin secondary etc… -
ParkYuni:
Agree with both. With the introduction of the new grading system, MOE should just scrap off all affiliation advantages once and for all. How many parents are sincere alumni? Even a loyalty program requires much contribution from consumers. And alumni status works like a monarchy system to me which is outdated in our meritocratic society. If it is not possible to be done at P1 registration stage as I know there may be some social issues, MOE can just offer balloting advantage over a tie at S1 posting.[/quote]I have to disagree with this. Affiliation is fair because it is normal to put your family (a.k.a. your own students) before helping others. This is because some students are late bloomers and they should not be penalized just because they couldn't get a high score in primary school.Technospaz:
[quote=\"UBKmom\"]By standardising the affiliation cut-off will also indirectly reduce the P1 enrolment stress, like if you missed out in P1, you still have a high chance to get into it secondary school if you work hard. Again, this will give everyone a fairer chance to enter these school irregardless of your connections/background.
Not that I don't agree but so long as there's an advantage for P1 students to get into certain Primary Schools based on their parents' alumni status, the concept of what is fair in the education system is very artificial.
Anyway, even in working world, \"affiliation\" does exist. Your chance to get a job in a particular company is sometimes affected by your \"affiliation\" (a.k.a. internal referral). It's unfair, but it's real. -
galaxyraider:
:?I have to disagree with this. Affiliation is fair because it is normal to put your family (a.k.a. your own students) before helping others. This is because some students are late bloomers and they should not be penalized just because they couldn't get a high score in primary school.
Anyway, even in working world, \"affiliation\" does exist. Your chance to get a job in a particular company is sometimes affected by your \"affiliation\" (a.k.a. internal referral). It's unfair, but it's real. -
galaxyraider:
It's fair only when it's private money. But schools take taxpayers money. I would wonder why I am paying for other people's privileges?
I have to disagree with this. Affiliation is fair because it is normal to put your family (a.k.a. your own students) before helping others. This is because some students are late bloomers and they should not be penalized just because they couldn't get a high score in primary school.
Anyway, even in working world, \"affiliation\" does exist. Your chance to get a job in a particular company is sometimes affected by your \"affiliation\" (a.k.a. internal referral). It's unfair, but it's real.
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