Any Updates As To When PSLE T-Scores Will Be Scrapped?
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iRabbit:
If your child is born with a silver spoon and you can provide for his future, you probably won't worry about his results. Many ministers sent their kids for overseas education anyway.
While MOE celebrates both acad and non-acad achievements, this elicits different responses from some parents. The reason if I read you correctly, is due to perceived future material benefits for their children.
The action is the same - celebration of achievements. However the response is different due to personal values. While it's understandable parents want their kids to have a bright future, I find it casual to lay blame on the govt for celebrating acad achievements while at the same time, suggests that celebrating non-acad acheivements is fine.
Which achievement is more superior in Singapore? Academic or sport?
Do you feel the same stress when your kid:
1. under-performed in PSLE
2. didn't get into the junior shooting club?
I applaud you if you feel equally stressed for both.
So you see the difference between celebrating academic achievement and sports achievement? One is about rice bowl and hence induce much stress and another is for leisure. -
25HMOM:
Would not celebrating acad achievements reduce your stress level wrt your kids' future? Would not celebrating acad achievements lower the criteria to get into law/med faculties? Would not celebrating acad achievements ensure our kids get that elusive iron rice bowl? I'm really not sure.
If your child is born with a silver spoon and you can provide for his future, you probably won't worry about his results. Many ministers sent their kids for overseas education anyway.iRabbit:
While MOE celebrates both acad and non-acad achievements, this elicits different responses from some parents. The reason if I read you correctly, is due to perceived future material benefits for their children.
The action is the same - celebration of achievements. However the response is different due to personal values. While it's understandable parents want their kids to have a bright future, I find it casual to lay blame on the govt for celebrating acad achievements while at the same time, suggests that celebrating non-acad acheivements is fine.
Which achievement is more superior in Singapore? Academic or sport?
Do you feel the same stress when your kid:
1. under-performed in PSLE
2. didn't get into the junior shooting club?
I applaud you if you feel equally stressed for both.
So you see the difference between celebrating academic achievement and sports achievement? One is about rice bowl and hence induce much stress and another is for leisure.
Anyway we're entitled to our pov and I shall not bore you with further comments on this topic. -
grimm:
I do agree that regardless of new or existing system, parents and children should think about which school is right.. but I'm afraid it's gonna get more complicated under the new system.
I think the idea is to get parents and children to think about which schools is right for them as opposed to using some cut-off COP. It's is game theory (which has been around forever but we all know MOE can move like molasses)mum_sugoku:
However, under the new system, you may be taking a big risk if you still do the same thing, because order of choice matters now, and your 2nd choice is likely to be many others' 1st choice, your 3rd choice others' 1st and 2nd, so on and so forth. Making the wrong choice would cause one to end up with a school from your much lower order (than it would have been under the current system) or worse, out of your choices.
So, on top of the already high enough stress of exam (PSLE), the parents will be saddled with the additional stress of needing to agonize over the order of school choice :shock:. I wonder how they could enjoy less stress under the new system :roll: .
This author of the following article has given a bit more thought on how it will play out and I do hope it plays out the way it says (excepting the bit about the affiliation system).
http://themiddleground.sg/2016/07/14/new-psle-game-going-play/
Like in my youngest's case. Her current school is her dream school because her brother studies there, and sometimes, she followed us there to fetch her brother, and she likes the environment and wishes to go there too. It's 1 of the top 10 popular schools and so, I told her that it's not like she wanted to get in, she could just get in, she need to work hard to meet the school's COP to get it. So she did, got a t-score higher than the COP, put it as first choice, and got in.
But under the new system, I'm not so sure if she could still get in.. I don't know if her points would still be higher than the COP of the school since she's weaker in Chinese and the points from Chinese could jolly drag her overall points down. And I feel that Chinese is not exactly a subject which you can study for..
Also, I suspect that under the new system, we are likely to see similar-tier schools having very close or exactly the same COP, so order of choice becomes important. What if your child's dream school's (previous year's) COP is 1 point higher than his/her score? Since we won't know if COP may fall (or rise, or remain the same) this year, would you want to take a bet (that it may go down 1 point) and put it as first choice? If he/she failed to get in, and let's say you put a school with same COP as your child's score as second choice, your second choice is likely to be the first choice of many others with the same score as his/hers, and will he/her get rejected again?
Of course the safest bet is to put a school a few more points away from your child's score, but as I've mentioned, if COPs of school of similar tiers are very close (or even the same), selecting a school few more points away mean choosing a school in a lower tier, should you play safe and send your child to a lower tier school - since at least it would be within your choice, or take a risk and hope that your choice is of higher order than many other students with the same score, or else risk being post out of your choice? :scared:
So, stressful or not? :shock: -
If balloting for the new AL Banding system arises, in 2021 -
- Is the balloting ( for those with the same AL score & also candidates are all Sg citizens), going to be open (transparent), or balloting conducted behind closed doors ?
- for those who are 4-pointers in the same band or same bucket, will MOE refer to the students' PSLE original Raw scores for 4 subjects captured inside MOE computerised database, before decide who to ballot or who no need to ballot ?
For example
3 students (X, Y, Z) : all inside the same band, all are 4 pointers
At 2021 Psle batch, suppose -
X : scored 100 for Maths, 100 for Science, 99 for English, 96 for Chinese
(X very strong, in Maths & Science)
Y and Z : suppose each of them scored 90, for each of the 4 core subjects.
In this case, amongst these 3 students, X has the highest Total Raw score, 395/400 (very high).
However, Y and Z have the lowest Total Raw score : 360/400, but still inside the 4-pointers pool, same as X.
Difference = 395 - 360 = 35 marks difference, between X vs Y/Z
Question -
Will MOE spare X from balloting into RI (X placed RI as 1st choice, at Top of his list of 6 choices schools), proceed to allow Y and Z to ballot, based on the fact that X has the highest Total Raw score, amongst these 3 candidates, although all 3 are in the same bucket (4-pointers' pool)
Who will be spared, from balloting ?
Who proceed, with balloting ?
Eg
Those who scored 90 : just scrape through AL 1, will proceed with balloting ? -
iRabbit:
By celebrating, it offers free publicity for the already sought-after pri or sec schools. With limited supply of places but ever-increasing demand, it will aggravate the stress level.
Would not celebrating acad achievements reduce your stress level wrt your kids' future? Would not celebrating acad achievements lower the criteria to get into law/med faculties? Would not celebrating acad achievements ensure our kids get that elusive iron rice bowl? I'm really not sure.
Anyway we're entitled to our pov and I shall not bore you with further comments on this topic.
Yea, no hard feeling, iRabbit. We are just stating our opinions. Peace :xedfingers: -
phtthp:
I think they won't be considering the raw score any more. That's the purpose of changing to AL bands. In any case, I'm sure there are adequate places at RI and RGS to accept all the kids who score 4 points! How many places are there in each school? Anybody knows? Maybe 200 places? Can't be 400 kids scoring 4 points nationwide??!If balloting for the new AL Banding system arises, in 2021 -
- Is the balloting ( for those with the same AL score & also candidates are all Sg citizens), going to be open (transparent), or balloting conducted behind closed doors ?
- for those who are 4-pointers in the same band or same bucket, will MOE refer to the students' PSLE original Raw scores for 4 subjects captured inside MOE computerised database, before decide who to ballot or who no need to ballot ?
For example
3 students (X, Y, Z) : all inside the same band, all are 4 pointers
At 2021 Psle batch, suppose -
X : scored 100 for Maths, 100 for Science, 99 for English, 96 for Chinese
(X very strong, in Maths & Science)
Y and Z : suppose each of them scored 90, for each of the 4 core subjects.
In this case, amongst these 3 students, X has the highest Total Raw score, 395/400 (very high).
However, Y and Z have the lowest Total Raw score : 360/400, but still inside the 4-pointers pool, same as X.
Difference = 395 - 360 = 35 marks difference, between X vs Y/Z
Question -
Will MOE spare X from balloting into RI (X placed RI as 1st choice, at Top of his list of 6 choices schools), proceed to allow Y and Z to ballot, based on the fact that X has the highest Total Raw score, amongst these 3 candidates, although all 3 are in the same bucket (4-pointers' pool)
Who will be spared, from balloting ?
Who proceed, with balloting ?
Eg
Those who scored 90 : just scrape through AL 1, will proceed with balloting ? -
phtthp:
If balloting for the new AL Banding system arises, in 2021 -
- Is the balloting ( for those with the same AL score & also candidates are all Sg citizens), going to be open (transparent), or balloting conducted behind closed doors ?
Of cos I would hope to see a transparent balloting or else who should be held accountable when all the ministers' sons got in to RI/HCI while hawkers' sons got balloted out. :evil:
- for those who are 4-pointers in the same band or same bucket, will MOE refer to the students' PSLE original Raw scores for 4 subjects captured inside MOE computerised database, before decide who to ballot or who no need to ballot ?
For example
3 students (X, Y, Z) : all inside the same band, all are 4 pointers
At 2021 Psle batch, suppose -
X : scored 100 for Maths, 100 for Science, 99 for English, 96 for Chinese
(X very strong, in Maths & Science)
Y and Z : suppose each of them scored 90, for each of the 4 core subjects.
In this case, amongst these 3 students, X has the highest Total Raw score, 395/400 (very high).
However, Y and Z have the lowest Total Raw score : 360/400, but still inside the 4-pointers pool, same as X.
Difference = 395 - 360 = 35 marks difference, between X vs Y/Z
Question -
Will MOE spare X from balloting into RI (X placed RI as 1st choice, at Top of his list of 6 choices schools), proceed to allow Y and Z to ballot, based on the fact that X has the highest Total Raw score, amongst these 3 candidates, although all 3 are in the same bucket (4-pointers' pool)
Who will be spared, from balloting ?
Who proceed, with balloting ?
Eg
Those who scored 90 : just scrape through AL 1, will proceed with balloting ?
If I'm not wrong, under the new banding system, regardless whether one scores 90 or 100 for all 4 subjects, as long as all are 4 pointers, all should have an equal chance to try for RI.
However, since the actual raw score would not be made known to the public, a cynical observer may think that MOE could reserve the right to work behind the scenes to take in (for RI/HCI) the most brilliant ones first. :evil:
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Not forgetting not everyone wants to go to RI. The may be a more suitable school for even top scorers. There are other options like HCI, NUS High etc or even the unfancied neighborhood school where most of their primary school friends are Hopefully, this will create a more even spread of top students in more schools so that they can demonstrate they are good schools too.
(As aside, if my son somehow gets 4 points and wants to go RI, we are going to have words. And there will be shouting involved and quite possibly changing of my will :mad: )lee_yl:
phtthp:
If balloting for the new AL Banding system arises, in 2021 -
- Is the balloting ( for those with the same AL score & also candidates are all Sg citizens), going to be open (transparent), or balloting conducted behind closed doors ?
Of cos I would hope to see a transparent balloting or else who should be held accountable when all the ministers' sons got in to RI/HCI while hawkers' sons got balloted out. :evil:
- for those who are 4-pointers in the same band or same bucket, will MOE refer to the students' PSLE original Raw scores for 4 subjects captured inside MOE computerised database, before decide who to ballot or who no need to ballot ?
For example
3 students (X, Y, Z) : all inside the same band, all are 4 pointers
At 2021 Psle batch, suppose -
X : scored 100 for Maths, 100 for Science, 99 for English, 96 for Chinese
(X very strong, in Maths & Science)
Y and Z : suppose each of them scored 90, for each of the 4 core subjects.
In this case, amongst these 3 students, X has the highest Total Raw score, 395/400 (very high).
However, Y and Z have the lowest Total Raw score : 360/400, but still inside the 4-pointers pool, same as X.
Difference = 395 - 360 = 35 marks difference, between X vs Y/Z
Question -
Will MOE spare X from balloting into RI (X placed RI as 1st choice, at Top of his list of 6 choices schools), proceed to allow Y and Z to ballot, based on the fact that X has the highest Total Raw score, amongst these 3 candidates, although all 3 are in the same bucket (4-pointers' pool)
Who will be spared, from balloting ?
Who proceed, with balloting ?
Eg
Those who scored 90 : just scrape through AL 1, will proceed with balloting ?
If I'm not wrong, under the new banding system, regardless whether one scores 90 or 100 for all 4 subjects, as long as all are 4 pointers, all should have an equal chance to try for RI.
However, since the actual raw score would not be made known to the public, a cynical observer may think that MOE could reserve the right to work behind the scenes to take in (for RI/HCI) the most brilliant ones first. :evil:
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lee_yl:
It will be computer balloting. How to ensure it is transparent? Show us the computer programme? :?phtthp:
If balloting for the new AL Banding system arises, in 2021 -
- Is the balloting ( for those with the same AL score & also candidates are all Sg citizens), going to be open (transparent), or balloting conducted behind closed doors ?
Of cos I would hope to see a transparent balloting or else who should be held accountable when all the ministers' sons got in to RI/HCI while hawkers' sons got balloted out. :evil:
- for those who are 4-pointers in the same band or same bucket, will MOE refer to the students' PSLE original Raw scores for 4 subjects captured inside MOE computerised database, before decide who to ballot or who no need to ballot ?
For example
3 students (X, Y, Z) : all inside the same band, all are 4 pointers
At 2021 Psle batch, suppose -
X : scored 100 for Maths, 100 for Science, 99 for English, 96 for Chinese
(X very strong, in Maths & Science)
Y and Z : suppose each of them scored 90, for each of the 4 core subjects.
In this case, amongst these 3 students, X has the highest Total Raw score, 395/400 (very high).
However, Y and Z have the lowest Total Raw score : 360/400, but still inside the 4-pointers pool, same as X.
Difference = 395 - 360 = 35 marks difference, between X vs Y/Z
Question -
Will MOE spare X from balloting into RI (X placed RI as 1st choice, at Top of his list of 6 choices schools), proceed to allow Y and Z to ballot, based on the fact that X has the highest Total Raw score, amongst these 3 candidates, although all 3 are in the same bucket (4-pointers' pool)
Who will be spared, from balloting ?
Who proceed, with balloting ?
Eg
Those who scored 90 : just scrape through AL 1, will proceed with balloting ?
If I'm not wrong, under the new banding system, regardless whether one scores 90 or 100 for all 4 subjects, as long as all are 4 pointers, all should have an equal chance to try for RI.
However, since the actual raw score would not be made known to the public, a cynical observer may think that MOE could reserve the right to work behind the scenes to take in (for RI/HCI) the most brilliant ones first. :evil:
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MOE should think through how to assure the public that the balloting process is random and fair. It is not good for public trust to have whispers that Ministers’ children can always get the choice places in the favored schools.
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