Any Updates As To When PSLE T-Scores Will Be Scrapped?
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jetsetter:
[/quote]No, Paya Lebar Methodist Girls Secondary school, is an O level school that offer both Express and Normal stream.
PLMGS is not an IP school right? My impression is PLMGS is in the same band as CGS. Maybe 9~10 AL points.mum_sugoku:
among the top schools to be something like:
Top 4 (NY, Rs, HC): 5 (AL points)
NJ, SN, DH, ACS: 6
Cedar, VS, TJ, RV: 7
CHS, SJC,SCGS,PLMGS: 8
etc
https://jcartercentre.wordpress.com/2015/12/22/unofficial-cop-for-secondary-school-2016-cohort/
I feel that they should (i) ensure each \"AL band\" (oops don't we hate this word?) has at least 1 IP/IB school in the West, 1 in Central and 1 in the East, as well as (ii) ensure there's a good distribution of single gender or co-ed top schools in each zone
You can simulate using 2015's PSLE COPs instead of JC's COPs. Because that's exactly what MOE said it intends to do (using 2020's PSLE COPs). MOE didn't say it's looking at JC's ranking.
[quote]5\tNanyang Girls’ High\t264\t\t
5\tRaffles Institution\t261\t\t
6\tMethodist Girls’\t261\t\t
5\tHwa Chong Institution\t260\t\t
5\tRaffles Girls’\t260\t\t
6\tNational Junior College\t258\t\t
6\tCHIJ St Nicholas Girls’\t258\t\t
5\tDunman High\t258\t\t
7\tACS Independent\t256\t\t
7\tCedar Girls’\t254\t\t
7\tVictoria School\t254\t\t
8\tTemasek Junior College\t253\t\t
8\tRiver Valley High\t253\t\t
8\tCatholic High School\t253\t\t
8\tSt. Joseph Institution\t253\t\t
8\tSingapore Chinese Girls’\t253\t\t
PLMGS is not an IP school.
Perhaps typo error, or she mean MGS Methodist girls Secondary (Bukit Timah), that take up the IB program ?
In Year 5 & 6 : MGS girls join ACSI boys, to resume IB -
Any idea how EESIS will be computed?
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lee_yl:
For many high ability kids whose weakest subject is Chinese, no need tuition for Maths and Science, double or triple tuition for Chinese. Unless of course if the parents want them to DSA via Math/ Science, then jialat.........
In this case,phtthp:
Under T-score :
If a P6 student's Chinese is weak, still can depend on English / Maths/ Science, to pull up the weak score for Chinese.
But, under AL :
Chinese stands on its own.
The other 3 subjects' scores can't pull up weak Chinese anymore.
1).Chinese tuition/enrichment centres business will set to boom.
2).More will seek to be exempted from Chinese. -
jetsetter:
[/quote]Er, no, I didn't use JC's COP to simulate (nor estimate) secondary school's COP. I used JC's COP distribution to try deducing secondary schools' COP distribution ie, how many secondary schools may share the same COP under new system.
PLMGS is not an IP school right? My impression is PLMGS is in the same band as CGS. Maybe 9~10 AL points.mum_sugoku:
among the top schools to be something like:
Top 4 (NY, Rs, HC): 5 (AL points)
NJ, SN, DH, ACS: 6
Cedar, VS, TJ, RV: 7
CHS, SJC,SCGS,PLMGS: 8
etc
https://jcartercentre.wordpress.com/2015/12/22/unofficial-cop-for-secondary-school-2016-cohort/
I feel that they should (i) ensure each \"AL band\" (oops don't we hate this word?) has at least 1 IP/IB school in the West, 1 in Central and 1 in the East, as well as (ii) ensure there's a good distribution of single gender or co-ed top schools in each zone
You can simulate using 2015's PSLE COPs instead of JC's COPs. Because that's exactly what MOE said it intends to do (using 2020's PSLE COPs). MOE didn't say it's looking at JC's ranking.
[quote]5\tNanyang Girls’ High\t264\t\t
5\tRaffles Institution\t261\t\t
6\tMethodist Girls’\t261\t\t
5\tHwa Chong Institution\t260\t\t
5\tRaffles Girls’\t260\t\t
6\tNational Junior College\t258\t\t
6\tCHIJ St Nicholas Girls’\t258\t\t
5\tDunman High\t258\t\t
7\tACS Independent\t256\t\t
7\tCedar Girls’\t254\t\t
7\tVictoria School\t254\t\t
8\tTemasek Junior College\t253\t\t
8\tRiver Valley High\t253\t\t
8\tCatholic High School\t253\t\t
8\tSt. Joseph Institution\t253\t\t
8\tSingapore Chinese Girls’\t253\t\t
After performing a series of (crude) calculations, I arrived at a figure of 4 (schools sharing same COP), I then randomly took a secondary school COP ranking list from the web (like what you've done here), lumped them in group of 4, and inserted the likely COP of these groups under new system. It had also not crossed my mind whether the school is an IP school or not.
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This is scary if the scenario mentioned happens.
http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=87269 -
grimm:
[/quote]I remember quite some times ago, there actually was an (unsuccessful) petition by parents to exclude Mother Tongue language (MTL) in the computation of PSLE t-score.Actually given that given that many more students are struggling with Chinese these days, I'm surprised there isn't a lot of lobbying to make mother tongue optional for PSLE, especially with the new scoring system.
In this case,
Perhaps too much of a sacred cow, I suppose.lee_yl:
[quote=\"phtthp\"]Under T-score :
If a P6 student's Chinese is weak, still can depend on English / Maths/ Science, to pull up the weak score for Chinese.
But, under AL :
Chinese stands on its own.
The other 3 subjects' scores can't pull up weak Chinese anymore.
1).Chinese tuition/enrichment centres business will set to boom.
2).More will seek to be exempted from Chinese.
To resolve this issue, how about lowering the requirement for AL1, from requiring a score of 90+ to, say, 75+ (ie AL1 for 75 and above, AL2 for 70-74, so on and so forth), just for MTL only? -
MOE also have not announced, in detail :
how to treat "Foundation" subjects.
at end of Primary 4 -
primary schools look at students’ end of P4 Term 4 Year end results, may request some weak students, to drop certain "Standard" subjects, do Foundation subjects, instead.
a 4-pointer student who performed well in 4 "Standard" subjects : will have Total AL 4.
How about a student, doing 3 Foundation subjects at PSLE :
but scored AL Band 1 in each of his Foundation subjects, say (in Foundation Maths, Foundation Science & Foundation Chinese) & did well in "Standard" English (eg: scored AL3) ?
Then, what will be the Total AL, for this P6 student ? -
mum_sugoku:
To resolve this issue, how about lowering the requirement for AL1, from requiring a score of 90+ to, say, 75+ (ie AL1 for 75 and above, AL2 for 70-74, so on and so forth), just for MTL only?
So for those who are strong in MTL and weak in, say maths, can reduce the AL1 requirement for maths to 75+ etc, just for maths only?
Just wondering how is a suggestion like this even fair to other children who are wired differently from those who are weak in MTL? Sounds like nothing more than \"make the subjects my kid is strong at count for more, and the subject my kid is weak at count for less\". :roll: -
ngl2010:
shocking !This is scary if the scenario mentioned happens.
http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=87269
esp. for weak students
in the author's example, there are two weak students : X and Y
weak because : they are hovering riskily, around the low AL band, at AL5 and AL6.
AL5 : ranges from 65 to 74 marks, and
AL6 : ranges from 45 to 64
example
student X : scored 64 marks, in each of his 4 core subjects
Total Raw score = 64 x 4 = 256
per subject : fall into AL6
hence, Total AL = 6 x 4 subjects ==> AL 24
with AL 24 :
X can only qualify for Normal (Academic) stream.
in contrast, How about student Y ?
student Y : scored 45 marks in 2 subjects, plus 65 in another 2 subjects
Total Raw score = (45 x 2) + (65 x 2) = 90 + 130 = 220
2 subjects, for Y : fall into AL5
another 2 subjects : fall into AL6
hence, Total AL for Y = (5 x2) + (6 x 2) = 10 + 12 ==> AL 22
with AL 22 :
Y qualify to opt, for either Express or Normal stream.
Y can then opt, for the Express stream.
But, Who actually performed better ?
X (at 256), or Y (at 220), for Total Raw score ?
Under the new PSLE AL Banding system :
it means that X who scored 256 marks in four subjects would enter or get channeled into the Normal (Academic) stream.
In contrast, Y who scored lower 220 marks, (256 - 220 = 36 marks), much lower than X, would qualify for the Express stream.
This outcome is unfair to the one, who did much better.
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\"For the student who would have scored 256 marks in the old system, would score 24 points in new system which qualifies him only for Normal stream. Another pupil who would have scored 220 marks in old system would score 22 points which qualifies him to opt for Express or Normal stream.\"
But Mr Chee (SJ??), old system's Tscore 256 =/= new system's RAW SCORES yah? :?
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