Any Updates As To When PSLE T-Scores Will Be Scrapped?
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Sun_2010:
not possible to get below 260 if there are 4A*...a friend's son has 4A*s and the t score was 268 while her friend's daughter has 4A*s and 270.From what I have seen is if students who got 4 Astars, the T score has been more than 260 .
does anyone have information to the contrary? Anyone you know of who has 4 A stars but Tscore is less than 260? If so which year? -
Sun_2010:
2013 PSLE T Score was quite low....seen a few 4A*s barely above 260 but not below......From what I have seen is if students who got 4 Astars, the T score has been more than 260 .
does anyone have information to the contrary? Anyone you know of who has 4 A stars but Tscore is less than 260? If so which year? -
Minister says: less than 10% of kids will face the ballot.
Since not all schools are created equal, not all schools require balloting. Imagine if just 20% of the schools (almost certainly the popular ones) require balloting, does than imply that 50% of all those applying for such schools would face balloting? Life become just a gamble?
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Irrelevant:
not all Secondary schools, will ballotMinister says: less than 10% of kids will face the ballot.
Since not all schools are created equal, not all schools require balloting. Imagine if just 20% of the schools (almost certainly the popular ones) require balloting, does than imply that 50% of all those applying for such schools would face balloting? Life become just a gamble?
those un-popular schools, with lots of vacancies left, nobody want to enroll : no balloting
only those very popular, hot-in-demand schools, will ballot -
From hearsay, it seems that 4 A* is always above 260. So 4 pointers will not have to worry about balloting. I would go on to think that cutoff points for any school will be not less than 5.
Granularity is very misleading in primary school level where content is quite narrow. For instance, if a child is given 5 prelim papers of different schools one each day, the chance of his/her score being the same for all papers is extremely narrow. However, the range ( Ā±5) he/she gets is highly likely to be the same. How can it be said that the score obtained is an exact reflection of merit when there is a variation? -
mum_sugoku:
No lah. I think some of them are asking what if my 5 points is actually better than your 4 points?
I don't think the issue is with 'what if my 4 points is better than your 4 points', but more with 'I work as hard as you to get that 4 points, why should I be denied of that dream school while you got in just because your are luckier than me?'Sun_2010:
Well said grimm!
The idea of AL points is to remove granularity. But we still have people talking what if my 4 points is better than your 4 points. The concept that the 4 pointers are in same band of performances is hard to digest.
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Sun_2010:
Granularity is very misleading in primary school level where content is quite narrow. For instance, if a child is given 5 prelim papers of different schools one each day, the chance of his/her score being the same for all papers is extremely narrow. However, the range ( +-5) he/she gets is highly likely to be the same. How can it be said that the score obtained is an exact reflection of merit when there is a variation?
It is an exact reflection of merit when comparing with those who scored less than me, but not so good when comparing with those who scored more. :imanangel: -
phtthp:
MOE's words as quoted: 9 in 10 students would not need to go to the balloting stage.
not all Secondary schools, will ballotIrrelevant:
Minister says: less than 10% of kids will face the ballot.
Since not all schools are created equal, not all schools require balloting. Imagine if just 20% of the schools (almost certainly the popular ones) require balloting, does than imply that 50% of all those applying for such schools would face balloting? Life become just a gamble?
those un-popular schools, with lots of vacancies left, nobody want to enroll : no balloting
only those very popular, hot-in-demand schools, will ballot
They certainly did not mention that 9 in 10 students in any school would not need to go to balloting stage. This implies 4000 students out of a cohort of 40,000. If a majority of schools would not have balloting, those schools that conduct balloting would have a very high proportion of students undergoing balloting! -
Irrelevant:
MOE's words as quoted: 9 in 10 students would not need to go to the balloting stage.
not all Secondary schools, will ballotphtthp:
[quote=\"Irrelevant\"]Minister says: less than 10% of kids will face the ballot.
Since not all schools are created equal, not all schools require balloting. Imagine if just 20% of the schools (almost certainly the popular ones) require balloting, does than imply that 50% of all those applying for such schools would face balloting? Life become just a gamble?
those un-popular schools, with lots of vacancies left, nobody want to enroll : no balloting
only those very popular, hot-in-demand schools, will ballot
They certainly did not mention that 9 in 10 students in any school would not need to go to balloting stage. This implies 4000 students out of a cohort of 40,000. If a majority of schools would not have balloting, those schools that conduct balloting would have a very high proportion of students undergoing balloting![/quote]That would depend on the choice of school.
Eg. if RI has a cutoff point as 5, then most of the seats will be taken up students who scored 4 points. There will be a fraction of the seats left over. Now no of students who 5 points will be more in number compared to 4 pointers. If a student wants to put in RI as his first choice, then not only he will have to ballot , the odds are low too. However if he chooses a 6 point cut off school, there will be no balloting for him. He has a choice , he has to choose wisely. -
pirate:
No lah. I think some of them are asking what if my 5 points is actually better than your 4 points?
I don't think the issue is with 'what if my 4 points is better than your 4 points', but more with 'I work as hard as you to get that 4 points, why should I be denied of that dream school while you got in just because your are luckier than me?'mum_sugoku:
[quote=\"Sun_2010\"]Well said grimm!
The idea of AL points is to remove granularity. But we still have people talking what if my 4 points is better than your 4 points. The concept that the 4 pointers are in same band of performances is hard to digest.[/quote]And the 5-pointer who poses this question to his 4-pointer friend may not be wrong after all :shock:
Supposedly, for PLSE, the 4-pointer's scores were E:90, M:90, S:90, MT:90, his total score would be 360 marks.
And if the 5-pointer's raw scores were E:92, M:100, S:99, MT:89, his total (raw) score would be 380 marks, a good 20 marks higher than his 4-pointer mate!
Let's say both had set their eyes on RI, the one with 360 marks (raw scores) will have no problem getting in, whereas the one with 380 marks will have to fight with other 5-pointers for a (slim?) chance to get in, or simply give up his dream of going there
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And it's all because the 4-pointer had scored just 1 mark higher than his friend in that 1 single subject!
A scenario like this will never happen under our current t-score system; the 5-pointer, together with his 4-pointer friend, will have no problem getting into RI. :imcool:
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