Any Updates As To When PSLE T-Scores Will Be Scrapped?

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cherryc:

So we will have some lucky 4 pointers who can get into IP school straight through to the 2 most coveted JCs and some unlucky 4 pointers going to unknown secondary schools doing O levels or ALL 4 pointers guaranteed some IP straight through programmes sch ?


If MOE really wants to mix the top students let everyone has equal chance to go to the top JCs at the end of Sec 4.

The thing is :-
If fail to ballot into first choice or second choice or third choice or any of the 6 schools inside the list, and post you to an unknown Secondary school, which you never think of, can you appeal ?
Don't think they allow appeal

Eg
You stay in the West, balloting failed, got posted to a Secondary school in the east, or vice versa. So far, how to take it ?
Daily travel already pose a big issue

During posting time, if you stay in the west, how to tell the computer that \"hey, Mr computer, please post me to a school in the west, because I stay in the west\".
The computer won't know where you stay (north or south or east or west)

Then, another question, is :-
If fail in balloting: how would the computer supposed to know, or to decide :
To post you to an IP secondary school, or to an ordinary, O level school ?

Is there a criteria that state :
Ok, P6 students who scored within AL Band X, qualify for IP sec school admission. And if so, which specific IP school ? The one in the North, South, East or West ?

What happen if there are 4 IP schools, in each direction, and with the same, identical AL Band Cut-off point ?
Then, post you to which one, will satisfy you ?
Based on where you stay ?

While those who scored AL Band Y, qualify for only O level school admission, not any of the IP schools.

[pirate]

cherryc:

So we will have some lucky 4 pointers who can get into IP school straight through to the 2 most coveted JCs and some unlucky 4 pointers going to unknown secondary schools doing O levels or ALL 4 pointers guaranteed some IP straight through programmes sch ?

Maybe the whole idea is to get rid of the entire notion of '2 most coveted JCs'? :evil:

My 379 raw marks 7-pointer posted to 'dunnowhat' 8-point (because he/she a bit suay at the balloting too) secondary school example can still potentially eat most 4 pointers at the Big 2 for breakfast come A-levels or IB.

[cherryc]

That is provided the real talents with higher raw scores/ 4 pointers who didn’t get in their first 2choices don’t get lost in the higher-point schools and become demoralised and realised no point study hard since everything in life seems to depend on luck and get wasted/influenced badly for life…


Interesting to see how it will turn out. By the way any pri school in the world using such an ingenious method of balloting…

[grimm]

cherryc:

So we will have some lucky 4 pointers who can get into IP school straight through to the 2 most coveted JCs and some unlucky 4 pointers going to unknown secondary schools doing O levels or ALL 4 pointers guaranteed some IP straight through programmes sch ?

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Won't happen first because it is not expected any school to have a 4 point cut-off which also means MOE does not expect a heck lot of 4 pointers. (I find it hilarious that the way everyone talks it seems like you can throw a stone and hit a 4 pointer)

If you did well and pick schools you can meet the cut-off, you will be fine. If he/she got parents that insist he/she applies to only 5-points schools when he has 6, then his parents are the problem

[Yngmng]

Parents will now have to get their kids to work harder on all 4 subjects. Where is the reduction in stress???

[phtthp]

PSLE through the years


1973 : T-score, introduced

2004 : DSA, introduced

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/e ... -the-years

[phtthp]

Yngmng:

Parents will now have to get their kids to work harder on all 4 subjects.


Where is the reduction in stress???

myth : reduction in stress

reality : increase in anxiety, plus balloting introduced, plus having to start Cca early from Primary 1, making it even more competitive to expose K1/K2 kindergarten children early, to tuition \"Cca\" enrichment to gain an earlier headstart, to be ahead of others in the rat race

now, under AL -
must work harder, at Mother Tongue (MT).

The irony is -
just a slight, minor \"1 point difference\" which one thought is insignificant (89 vs. 90 score in MT) now determine which AL Band you fall into, & determine whether balloting needed or not, based on your sequencing & how you prioritize your 6 choices of Secondary schools in the list.

Then, you'll see more & more parents in demand (worried), trying to seek exemption from Mother Tongue for their kids, in an attempt to boost up their grades into a better overall AL Band, by concentrating only on 3 subjects, so as to have a better chance to \"lottery\" strike (\"tikam-tikam\") good Secondary schools.

Nowadays, MOE also getting more & more stringent, much stricter, in granting genuine cases, from MT exemption.
Whether genuine cases or \"parents trying to be funny\" cases :
MOE Educational psychologists & officials, will tend to tread more cautiously, in granting MT exemption to Upper primary, P5/P6 students.


Who are the P6 students that have an advantage, in Mother Tongue ?

- native speakers in Mandarin
(eg : S'pore PR / foreigner kids from China who enrolled their kids into our local schools, when their 1st language is Chinese)

OR

Sg families, who speak Or use Mandarin daily often at home, to their kids

OR
children who read storybooks in Chinese, widely.


- native speakers in Tamil (eg : from India)

OR

- native speakers in Malay (eg: Malays in Sg/ Malaysia / Indonesia)

[grimm]

phtthp:

myth : reduction in stress

reality : increase in anxiety, plus balloting introduced

now, under AL -
must work harder, at Mother Tongue (MT).

I understand it may be true for you but some parents, like myself, do prefer the new system and think it's less stressful and is a step towards reforming the hothouse we have right now.

Under the new system, I will have a clearer view of where he is at (instead of being compared with every child of the same year) and he doesn't have to chase every mark just in case the others do slightly better.

MT was always going to be a pain in the ass for my son regardless so I'm happy for him to take Foundation Chinese under today's system. It will be interesting to see how Foundation subject affects the AL...

phtthp:

- native speakers in Tamil (eg : from India)
OR
- native speakers in Malay (eg: Malays in Sg/ Malaysia / Indonesia)

BTW Not all Indians speak and write Tamil. In fact a lot of more recent immigrants from India are not from the region....

And Bahasa Indonesia is different from Bahasa Melayu.

[floppy]

grimm:

phtthp:

- native speakers in Tamil (eg : from India)
OR
- native speakers in Malay (eg: Malays in Sg/ Malaysia / Indonesia)

BTW Not all Indians speak and write Tamil. In fact a lot of more recent immigrants from India are not from the region....

And Bahasa Indonesia is different from Bahasa Melayu.

:goodpost:

Tamil is actually spoken by Indians from the South and parts of Central India (<10%). Hindi is the language spoken by the North (>40%) and is the official language of India. Most of the new citizens from India speak Hindi and are equally lost among our local born Indians.

The only group of new citizens with significant advantage in language are those from Chinese speaking nation.

[floppy]

grimm:

cherryc:

So we will have some lucky 4 pointers who can get into IP school straight through to the 2 most coveted JCs and some unlucky 4 pointers going to unknown secondary schools doing O levels or ALL 4 pointers guaranteed some IP straight through programmes sch ?

.

Won't happen first because it is not expected any school to have a 4 point cut-off which also means MOE does not expect a heck lot of 4 pointers. (I find it hilarious that the way everyone talks it seems like you can throw a stone and hit a 4 pointer)

If you did well and pick schools you can meet the cut-off, you will be fine. If he/she got parents that insist he/she applies to only 5-points schools when he has 6, then his parents are the problem

Also, even if the student picked and ended up in 5 or 6 points schools, these are not exactly unknown secondary schools.

The only possibility that a 4 pointer ended up in some unknown sec school is when he/she selects all 4-point schools as his/her option (probably a very smart kid with not much wisdom).