* Nanyang JC (NYJC)
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stetan:
Just to correct you, SRJC's COP did not worsen even after the principal left. The ex-SRJC principal left in 2015 (COP of 2014 was the most relevant to be referred to). The COP was 11 for science and 12 for arts. Based on the latest COP of SRJC (2016), the COP is 11 for both courses. These facts cannot be denied. One reason could be that the organisation structure of SR was so strong that even though the principal has left, SR maintained its strength, and improved in its COP for the arts stream. If SR can remain so strong, it is without doubt NY can too, and even withstand stronger.
My point is that Mr Kwek played an important pivotal role. If not , given NYJC long history, why did it only gain prominence when Mr Kwek was principal? Time will tell if NYJC can have continued sustained performance under the new principal, who surely have his own views ( that may be different from Mr Kwek's) on how he wants to manage the JC. Hopefully it will not be like last year premier league champion Lecister who this year is languishing at the bottom of the table.. Lecister glory was indeed shortlived.mindays:
Yes you are right that NYJC is an established JC that has been running for close to 40 years. Alright, I know that your point is that the ex-principal has definitely played an integral role in shaping what NYJC is today. I am not disputing on that note. However, my point is that the change in NYJC's principal would not affect too much on NY. As you have said, the culture has been there since the 1970s. Surely, NYJC is strong and established enough to adapt to changes and in fact, adapt it well..
To add on, the current EJC principal was from SRJC. When she was at SRJC, the cutoff points decreased substantially from mid 1x to very low 1x. Since she left SRJC, I believe the cutoff point has slowly crept up again ? This highlight the importance of a good principal. And I believe that is why MOE chose her as the principal for EJC.mindays:
Given a chance, it does not matter to me if the school has seniors or not. You are overhyping the importance of senior reallyAs you have said, you were the pioneer batch of RJ, and you have shared your opinion. I admire and respect your hard work. That's on the assumption that the current strawberry generation is like you. I doubt so, most of the gen Z are heavily spoonfed by us (parents). We used to not have tuitions but look what it is today? A tuition nation. Times have changed. We are in 2017 now, trends are different, it is the modern era. I still remembered my time in VJ back in the 1980s, the academic stress is definitely not as much as what I am seeing my colleagues' DS or DD are currently facing in a JC curriculum. My point is, the conditions of what could be done 30 years ago, may not be aptly applied in the modern era. Sure, consultations, study groups can still be held, but if you have seniors that can not only help you in studies, but CCAs, experience related problems, I don't see why having seniors is not a great incentive to have. Do you agree? I mean given a choice, do you want to enter a school with seniors? Cross your heart and ask yourself. .
. In today's competitive school environment where everybody is scrambling to do their best, how much time do you think your over-taxed seniors is going to give you ? Are your seniors so free to give you tuition when they themselves are hardpressed for time going for tution in tuition centers themselves too? These seniors (JC2) also do not have any seniors(JC3) to guide them but they coped too, right ?
What I am saying is your ultimate success depends on your personal drive and motivation. Students from top school are generally very self-driven. And I think it is uncalled for ,for you to labeled students in this generation as \"strawberries\". I have come across many many students that are certainly not what you described.mindays:
I do not doubt that all JC teachers are good. I am just saying based on the published credentials of the EJC teachers, they are indeed quite impressive and have vast years of experience.On a side note, credentials of the teachers in EJC are most likely on par with the teachers in other JCs. Since EJC is still a JC under MOE, a government JC, teachers deployed should be fair to the other JCs, not only to NYJC, but also VJC, NJC, ... all JCs. Moreover, HOD posts are usually held by teachers with higher specifications or credentials. An ordinary JC teacher must have the very least Honors degree, so not to worry for all JC teachers in Singapore. Furthermore, all the teachers would have gone through NIE, so I don't think there's much of a difference in teaching standards. EJC shows the qualifications of their teachers, other JCs keep mum. This doesn't mean that other JCs have \"poorer\" standard in the teaching force. For example in NY, the science and math departments are very strong and dedicated. The teachers are experienced, one of them is my former classmate in VJ.
Do not see NY as Lecister. Allow me to introduce you to a new perspective, see NY as Manchester City, it has potential and is definitely worthy enough to be among the top. Just look at NY's popularity. I went for both EJC and NYJCs' open houses over these 2 days, NYJC is definitely more crowded, more lively, more vibrant. Students can tell for their own. Moreover, NYJC is the top non-IP JC in Singapore. To me, I see NYJC as a leader of this tier, and I don't see why it cannot be comparable to lower league IP JCs among its tier like Temasek JC or even the new Eunoia JC. (Please don't compare EJC and RJC/HCI, it's too much of an uncalled comparison. HCI and RJ are a lot more better than Eunoia, in terms of its opportunities and even PSLE Results when they enter the school).
You have expressed your opinion on the importance of seniors. That is what you claim, but is that what the majority thinks it is? I doubt so. During my time in VJ, I enjoyed my sessions with the seniors, not just about studying but also sports, CCAs, etc. I even walked back home with my seniors during that time, (we were not very rich at that time). Students of this MODERN era may have their own perceptions on the importance of the support one can get from seniors. I will say that it is really important to have seniors in school, and you can treat it as an added bonus. I do agree with you that having seniors may not be a necessity, but having seniors is really a GREAT bonus that I will look forward to.
That's the unique part of NYJC. You may think that JC's school environment is hectic where everybody is scrambling to do their best, that is essentially true. Seniors in NYJC are very friendly in general and are willing to go the extra mile to help its peers. That's the culture of care in NY, which is so different from other JCs. NYJC is well-known for its culture of care and is well established on this aspect. -
EthanEthan:
Someone has also said that the rankings were unofficial. Yes, IP JCs are academically strong. However, EJC is definitely not comparable to higher tier IP JCs such as Raffles and HCI. The 3 feeder schools Catholic High, St Nicks and SCGS have their COP (for this batch of 2017 J1s) as follows (take note of the highest and minimum score):
Somebody mentioned in a previous post that the top 5 JCs are all IP JCs. Is there a reason for this ? The reason why these JCs are top were because of the quality of their cohort, which was mainly from their respective top IP secondary schools. If these students were not performing at their potential of being PSLE top scorers previously, I am sure the rankings of these IP JCs would have tanked big time.mindays:
Not all students from IP JCs are top performing. They may have taken their PSLEs and scored with flying colours (250+), however, are they able to transit into a JC that is new, that has NO seniors to assist in academic related issues? From what I know in other JCs, they have seniors to help them should they have difficulties in a subject. Even other IP JCs such as Raffles and Hwa Chong have Year Sixes to assist. So I am aware of parents' (like you and I) concerns. Just to share an article, http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/about-6-of-students-likely-to-not-finish-ip
This article was published recently, and it suggests that 6% of them drop out. So my point is, not all students who have scored well in their PSLEs are a definite stellar in their exam performance. Of course, the pros of Eunoia JC is that it comprises of Cat High, St nicks and SCGS which used to be top O level schools, when they had the O lvl stream only.
Nevertheless, all the best to all applicants!
Similarly, EJC being an IP college will also be able to attain great heights since their cohort is equally competent from 3 top IP secondary schools as well.
On a side note, have you ever wonder why the non-IP JCs ( including NYJC), despite their commendable efforts, has not make the top echelon?
CHS: 252-265
CHIJ St NIcks 255-275
SCGS 252-263
As compared to raffles and hwa chong:
RI: 263-284
RGS: 263-280
HCI: 261-277
NYGHS: 265-280
There's a stark difference between IP JCs as well, 25X vs 26X and my point is that EJC is definitely not on par with RJ or HCI, so don't compare the standards between them. In fact, it will be similar to RVHS (256-282), if not even one rank below RV.
Nanyang JC is in fact comparable to IP JCs such as Temasek JC, RVHS and probably Dunman High. I am very sure based on the latest A level results, NYJC definitely wins TJC in terms of academics. NYJC improves annually, if you do realise. -
The fact that EJC is discussed in Nanyang JC’s thread shows the fear of what most people may have - Nanyang JC overtaking "top JCs" or even "high-tier IP JCs". Hence, I am not surprised that people start to sense danger among the IP JCs, and thus try to defend them by stating facts such as students in EJC being academically inclined since PSLE. I feel that after all these discussions, NYJC is still having the last laugh that they see their college being mentioned within big names of IP JCs, and well established JCs such as National JC.
Just to add on, Nanyang JC does not only accept top students from neighbourhood JCs, but also reputable secondary schools. They are (COP of 2012, 2017 JC1 students):
Chung Cheng High (Main): (239-258)
Chung Cheng High (Yishun): (234-251)
Nan Chiau High School: (240-266)
Anderson Secondary School (246-265)
Nan Hua High School (245-265)
Catholic High School (O levels) (249-261)
Maris Stella High School (234-250)
So, in fact, most students in NYJCs do have good PSLE scores (240+) as well, though it may not be as well as those in EJCs (250+). The difference is just about 10 marks, not that far when you compare.
After seeing how this thread has evolved over these days, I hope all students can make a wise and rational decision. Do not be swayed by people who may have expressed their opinions, though it is integral to consider them. Of course, it would be good if you can enter VJC as well, it really is a good JC. -
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mindays:
If you have read my post properly, you would have realise that I ended my sentence with a question mark (?). I did not categorically state that SRJC COP has dropped but indicated that it was a possibility. So really, there is nothing for you to correct. It is entirely erroneous of you to assume that once a principal left, the effects must be felt immediately in the next fiscal year. Sometimes, the drop may be gradual over successive years. Even if Trump wants to repeal all that Obama has done, he could not possibly do it immediately, isn't it ? As I have indicated previously, sustained achievement will be the barometer to see if a JC is a one time fluke or not. Lets take a look at the COP of SRJC and NYJC in 2017 and 2018 before we jump the gun.
Just to correct you, SRJC's COP did not worsen even after the principal left. The ex-SRJC principal left in 2015 (COP of 2014 was the most relevant to be referred to). The COP was 11 for science and 12 for arts. Based on the latest COP of SRJC (2016), the COP is 11 for both courses. These facts cannot be denied. One reason could be that the organisation structure of SR was so strong that even though the principal has left, SR maintained its strength, and improved in its COP for the arts stream. If SR can remain so strong, it is without doubt NY can too, and even withstand stronger. .mindays:
Well, you can compare NYJC to anything you one, even the SUN if you must. Nobody is stopping you. Nobody will even blink an eye if you think that peanut jelly is the best food you have ever eatenDo not see NY as Lecister. Allow me to introduce you to a new perspective, see NY as Manchester City, it has potential and is definitely worthy enough to be among the top. Just look at NY's popularity. I went for both EJC and NYJCs' open houses over these 2 days, NYJC is definitely more crowded, more lively, more vibrant. Students can tell for their own. Moreover, NYJC is the top non-IP JC in Singapore. To me, I see NYJC as a leader of this tier, and I don't see why it cannot be comparable to lower league IP JCs among its tier like Temasek JC or even the new Eunoia JC. (Please don't compare EJC and RJC/HCI, it's too much of an uncalled comparison. HCI and RJ are a lot more better than Eunoia, in terms of its opportunities and even PSLE Results when they enter the school). .
And I have never compared EJC to RI/HCI. I only refuted your erroneous analysis about 6% dropout rate for IP students when you cited these schools examples. RI/RJC is my alma mater. It does me no glory to put RI/RJC down. mindays:
So you represent the majority ? :rotflmao: I do not disagree that seniors \"may\" be a bonus, I dunno since both me and jetsetter managed perfectly well without. As I have said repeatedly, Top students can survive perfectly well without them. Would you care to elaborate in detail what have seniors done to make you achieve super stellar results, other than just accompanying you back home ?You have expressed your opinion on the importance of seniors. That is what you claim, but is that what the majority thinks it is? I doubt so. During my time in VJ, I enjoyed my sessions with the seniors, not just about studying but also sports, CCAs, etc. I even walked back home with my seniors during that time, (we were not very rich at that time). Students of this MODERN era may have their own perceptions on the importance of the support one can get from seniors. I will say that it is really important to have seniors in school, and you can treat it as an added bonus. I do agree with you that having seniors may not be a necessity, but having seniors is really a GREAT bonus that I will look forward to. .
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mindays:
The fact that EJC is discussed in Nanyang JC's thread shows the fear of what most people may have - Nanyang JC overtaking \"top JCs\" or even \"high-tier IP JCs\"
What can I say except that I almost fell off my chair when I read this statement.mindays:
Again, you seemed to display your ignorance on matters. 10 points is small ? Don't you know many fail to gain entry into their dream schools by mere decimal points ?So, in fact, most students in NYJCs do have good PSLE scores (240+) as well, though it may not be as well as those in EJCs (250+). The difference is just about 10 marks, not that far when you compare.
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mindays:
You seemed to be confused and not coherent in your thinking. You said a 25X vs 26X is a great difference so cannot compare EJC to RI/HCI.
There's a stark difference between IP JCs as well, 25X vs 26X and my point is that EJC is definitely not on par with RJ or HCI, so don't compare the standards between them. In fact, it will be similar to RVHS (256-282), if not even one rank below RV.
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Yet in a later post, you said 24X (NYJC) and 25X(EJC) is no diiference and can be compared since it is a mere 10 marks
Please do make up your mind which is which. Or are you so blinded by your love for a certain college that you cannot think objectively and rationally? -
mindays:
If you are not aware, DHS results are more in the league or VJC or NJC (see link). Please at least check or show evidence of NYJC results being \"comparable\" before declaring in an open forum and undermining your own credibility.
Nanyang JC is in fact comparable to IP JCs such as Temasek JC, RVHS and probably Dunman High. I am very sure based on the latest A level results, NYJC definitely wins TJC in terms of academics. NYJC improves annually, if you do realise.
http://dunmanhigh.moe.edu.sg/wp-content/uploads/website/event/2015-gce-a-level-results/index.html
In all sensibility, is it really necessary to compare in such manner? Does it really matter if the JC rank a notch higher or lower? Ultimately it is the student's effort and A level results that matters. I am a simple person so to my simple mind: where the JC stand or its A level results doesn't matter to me. What matters more is my kids' A Level results!!!
I just hope this mindless comparison and harping can stop and this NYJC thread can be put to better use for parent and student networking instead. It will be such a shame that those interested in NYJC or have queries felt over-shadowed by such discussion and avoid this thread. -
mindays:
Ejc has its big 3 ip cohorts. Do they have to attend OH? Does this explain why the crowd over at nyjc seems larger? It depends on the time you visited the 2 jcs too.
Do not see NY as Lecister. Allow me to introduce you to a new perspective, see NY as Manchester City, it has potential and is definitely worthy enough to be among the top. Just look at NY's popularity. I went for both EJC and NYJCs' open houses over these 2 days, NYJC is definitely more crowded, more lively, more vibrant. Students can tell for their own. Moreover, NYJC is the top non-IP JC in Singapore. To me, I see NYJC as a leader of this tier, and I don't see why it cannot be comparable to lower league IP JCs among its tier like Temasek JC or even the new Eunoia JC. (Please don't compare EJC and RJC/HCI, it's too much of an uncalled comparison. HCI and RJ are a lot more better than Eunoia, in terms of its opportunities and even PSLE Results when they enter the school).
You have expressed your opinion on the importance of seniors. That is what you claim, but is that what the majority thinks it is? I doubt so. During my time in VJ, I enjoyed my sessions with the seniors, not just about studying but also sports, CCAs, etc. I even walked back home with my seniors during that time, (we were not very rich at that time). Students of this MODERN era may have their own perceptions on the importance of the support one can get from seniors. I will say that it is really important to have seniors in school, and you can treat it as an added bonus. I do agree with you that having seniors may not be a necessity, but having seniors is really a GREAT bonus that I will look forward to.
That's the unique part of NYJC. You may think that JC's school environment is hectic where everybody is scrambling to do their best, that is essentially true. Seniors in NYJC are very friendly in general and are willing to go the extra mile to help its peers. That's the culture of care in NY, which is so different from other JCs. NYJC is well-known for its culture of care and is well established on this aspect.
My niece graduated from nyjc last year. I haven't heard anything about any senior lending a helping hand to her or her peers. I have friends' DCs currently attending nyjc too. I haven't heard about this special culture of care happening either.
Perhaps it depends on individual's experience so you shouldn't generalise it.
It will be deceptive if you post something you aren't sure of.
It seems like you are hard selling nyjc too. It will be more convincing if you would admit your DC is studying in this jc instead of quoting yourself as a former vjc student. I was from vj. Please don't tarnish its image with your dubious personality. TIA.
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