DSA 2017
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floppy:
Adding to this, the onus is on student B's parents to pick a school that is suitable for their child. If student B, having done his/her best, is an average student, then it is irresponsible to DSA to a top IP school, knowing that their child will probably struggle, and then expect the school to turn their average kid into a top-scoring kid.zoolet:
Does DSA effective? Student A has no special talent, can't DSA in any IP school depend on PSLE results. He/she managed to score 258 (so-called borderline cut-off for top IP school). But the new rule stated 20% of the vacancy to keep for DSA talent, thus Student A can't get into the IP school as all vacancy filled up since there are other students with better scores. Does that mean Student A will be deprived from receiving IP training totally since all vacancy of IP school has filled up? Student B is an average academic results student, all 4 subjects are barely 70 but excellent in sport, entered the IP school via DSA sport. But student B struggled to keep up with his peers in IP school since peers have very strong academics and the style of teaching in the school is to impart advance skill. Student B may have to work harder as he/ she has to self read up on the basic before understanding the advance skill. Is this effective for student B both academic and sport? Is this mentally healthy? Will this student B able to qualify to local university after A Level? (Hopefully, parents will not go and complain about the entry level for local university and they re-look and introduce something like DSA. If start with another type of DSA, this will be very crappy and make our university look so pale off compared to top university in the world.)
There's a big difference between setting aside 20% for DSA students and raising the cap of DSA students for the school to 20%. The former implies the school die-die must have 20% DSA students while the latter means the school can decide to accept DSA students up to a max of 20% (the latter is the actual change to the policy).
As for your query, yes, the scenario you have painted is healthy because the emphasis is on a shift away from academic excellence. Your assumption is IP track is only meant for the academically brilliant students (which is if based strictly on COP) but I'm not sure that is the case. So, there isn't a need to worry too much about student B. -
Fried chicken:
That said, if student B, an average student, pick and got selected into a top IP school, and after 6 years in the programme turns out to be, well, average... what's the issue?
Adding to this, the onus is on student B's parents to pick a school that is suitable for their child. If student B, having done his/her best, is an average student, then it is irresponsible to DSA to a top IP school, knowing that their child will probably struggle, and then expect the school to turn their average kid into a top-scoring kid.
As long as the parents don't have the unrealistic expectation that an average kid will turn into a top-scoring kid upon entering a top IP school, I think all targets are met. -
floppy:
Yes, true. All about realistic expectations.
That said, if student B, an average student, pick and got selected into a top IP school, and after 6 years in the programme turns out to be, well, average... what's the issue?Fried chicken:
Adding to this, the onus is on student B's parents to pick a school that is suitable for their child. If student B, having done his/her best, is an average student, then it is irresponsible to DSA to a top IP school, knowing that their child will probably struggle, and then expect the school to turn their average kid into a top-scoring kid.
As long as the parents don't have the unrealistic expectation that an average kid will turn into a top-scoring kid upon entering a top IP school, I think all targets are met. -
floppy:
Yalor!!
That said, if student B, an average student, pick and got selected into a top IP school, and after 6 years in the programme turns out to be, well, average... what's the issue?Fried chicken:
Adding to this, the onus is on student B's parents to pick a school that is suitable for their child. If student B, having done his/her best, is an average student, then it is irresponsible to DSA to a top IP school, knowing that their child will probably struggle, and then expect the school to turn their average kid into a top-scoring kid.
[quote]As long as the parents don't have the unrealistic expectation that an average kid will turn into a top-scoring kid upon entering a top IP school, I think all targets are met.[/quote]Yalor*2!! -
zoolet:
Does DSA effective? Student A has no special talent, can't DSA in any IP school depend on PSLE results. He/she managed to score 258 (so-called borderline cut-off for top IP school). But the new rule stated 20% of the vacancy to keep for DSA talent, thus Student A can't get into the IP school as all vacancy filled up since there are other students with better scores. Does that mean Student A will be deprived from receiving IP training totally since all vacancy of IP school has filled up?
They aren't capping it at 20% right, zoolet? Govt, Govt-aided, Indept sec schools can accept up to 20% now. Indept IP schools have the discretion to fix their own intake % all the while.
If he manages to score 258, then go thru S1 posting and get into the queue. There'll still be enough vacancies for S1 posting applicants. The qn is whether he meets the COP or not only. If he does not, then system moves to his Choice #2...
Why must he be fixated on Choice #1? There are other IP schools his score can meet. He won't be deprived of receiving IP training in the whole of Singapore. That's impossible as the bell curve is manipulated such that there won't be a surplus of IP qualifiers?
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jetsetter:
If 258 and still cannot get into one of the IP schools, then MUST see MP le!!zoolet:
Does DSA effective? Student A has no special talent, can't DSA in any IP school depend on PSLE results. He/she managed to score 258 (so-called borderline cut-off for top IP school). But the new rule stated 20% of the vacancy to keep for DSA talent, thus Student A can't get into the IP school as all vacancy filled up since there are other students with better scores. Does that mean Student A will be deprived from receiving IP training totally since all vacancy of IP school has filled up?
They aren't capping it at 20% right, zoolet? Govt, Govt-aided, Indept sec schools can accept up to 20% now. Indept IP schools have the discretion to fix their own intake % all the while.
If he manages to score 258, then go thru S1 posting and get into the queue. There'll still be enough vacancies for S1 posting applicants. The qn is whether he meets the COP or not only. If he does not, then system moves to his Choice #2...
Why must he be fixated on Choice #1? There are other IP schools his score can meet. He won't be deprived of receiving IP training in the whole of Singapore. That's impossible as the bell curve is manipulated such that there won't be a surplus of IP qualifiers? -
Nebbermind:
If 258 and still cannot get into one of the IP schools, then MUST see MP le!![/quote]Some people only want TOP school(s), not any IP schools.jetsetter:
[quote=\"zoolet\"]Does DSA effective? Student A has no special talent, can't DSA in any IP school depend on PSLE results. He/she managed to score 258 (so-called borderline cut-off for top IP school). But the new rule stated 20% of the vacancy to keep for DSA talent, thus Student A can't get into the IP school as all vacancy filled up since there are other students with better scores. Does that mean Student A will be deprived from receiving IP training totally since all vacancy of IP school has filled up?
They aren't capping it at 20% right, zoolet? Govt, Govt-aided, Indept sec schools can accept up to 20% now. Indept IP schools have the discretion to fix their own intake % all the while.
If he manages to score 258, then go thru S1 posting and get into the queue. There'll still be enough vacancies for S1 posting applicants. The qn is whether he meets the COP or not only. If he does not, then system moves to his Choice #2...
Why must he be fixated on Choice #1? There are other IP schools his score can meet. He won't be deprived of receiving IP training in the whole of Singapore. That's impossible as the bell curve is manipulated such that there won't be a surplus of IP qualifiers?
In this case, it's the fixation that needs to be addressed and treated, not the policy. -
pirate:
Why not do it now? Scrap off all DSA. There is no such things as DSA in the past.Let the children get used to it now. Hard work is needed. How Joseph did it through hard work and delicate parents that understand what their son's ultimate goal and sent him to the best school in the world to achieve this goal. As Mary Colin did mention in her interview, there is no such thing as talent. It's all about hard work. If you believe your children are capable, put them to the best school in the world. Why in Singapore? We have yet to be able to provide good facility to develop excellent athletes and musicians/ artists.zoolet:
(Hopefully, parents will not go and complain about the entry level for local university and they re-look and introduce something like DSA. If start with another type of DSA, this will be very crappy and make our university look so pale off compared to top university in the world.)
Top universities look at more than just academics in their admission. They certainly don't have \"cut-off points\". Might as well get used to it earlier. -
zoolet:
Why not do it now? Scrap off all DSA. There is no such things as DSA in the past.Let the children get used to it now. Hard work is needed. How Joseph did it through hard work and delicate parents that understand what their son's ultimate goal and sent him to the best school in the world to achieve this goal. As Mary Colin did mention in her interview, there is no such thing as talent. It's all about hard work. If you believe your children are capable, put them to the best school in the world. Why in Singapore? We have yet to be able to provide good facility to develop excellent athletes and musicians/ artists.[/quote]Schooling...did he have the best coach? Or trained in the best pool?pirate:
[quote=\"zoolet\"](Hopefully, parents will not go and complain about the entry level for local university and they re-look and introduce something like DSA. If start with another type of DSA, this will be very crappy and make our university look so pale off compared to top university in the world.)
Top universities look at more than just academics in their admission. They certainly don't have \"cut-off points\". Might as well get used to it earlier. -
zoolet:
Why not do it now? Scrap off all DSA. There is no such things as DSA in the past.Let the children get used to it now. Hard work is needed. How Joseph did it through hard work and delicate parents that understand what their son's ultimate goal and sent him to the best school in the world to achieve this goal. As Mary Colin did mention in her interview, there is no such thing as talent. It's all about hard work. If you believe your children are capable, put them to the best school in the world. Why in Singapore? We have yet to be able to provide good facility to develop excellent athletes and musicians/ artists.
What makes you think that DSA is not hard work?
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