* Nanyang JC (NYJC)
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Quoted by candyfan:
Ex-P Mr Kwek said there are around 710 students for 2016 and also for each of the past 3 years.
If 2015 intake was 710 and approx 30 were retained in 2014, it would have a total of 740 students in 2015.
If 30 students were retained by end 2015, it would have 710 JC2 students in 2016. Therefore the total number of students in each JC2 cohort will still be 710 yearly as we need to add the retainees from the previous cohort. And we have not added some who may return to NYJC to repeat JC2 after obtaining their A level results.
Thus 250+/710+ = approx 35% is correct.[/quote]
If your figures are close to the accurate numbers regard the cohort size of class 2015 and 3H2 Distinctions %, I would think it's fine BUT your given figures and % are wrong and far from it.
Here, I have to disappoint you that your prediction about Nyjc class of 2015 to be 710 ( cohort which took 2016 A Level exam) is Wrong.
And your approx 35% is definitely Wrong again.
I had said in March this year, Nyjc 2016 A level results for minimum 3H2 Distinctions with pass in GP is definitely higher than 35% this year.
I promised I'm not lying. Don't belief me, then don't.
Why I'm so sure?
Well I have this year NYJC Annual Book. It featured class photos of all 2015 J2 students.
The total cohort is not 710 students But 671 ( Mindays already showed us in the Nyjc FB the many papers good luck stars made for J2 last year ).
Why still want to stir inaccurate facts.
And how you know approx 30 retained in 2014?
The Nyjc Annual Book also listed the Names of Each TOP Honour students of class 2014 ( took A Level in 2015, with minimum 3H2 Distinctions & pass in GP ) which I had said in my last year post that NYJC had about 31% with 3 Distinctions n pass in GP.
I know it will be good if Nyjc post its results, then all speculation will end. As MOE is emphasizing the holistic development of students and no longer focusing on grades, Nyjc does not show such results officially. But that doesn't warrant Nyjc to be subjected to inaccurate remarks.
Other JCs may show results ( not all JCs ) so be it.
There are stirrers who post unfavourable and unfair comments about Nyjc results based on inaccurate facts, that's why I have to keep emphasizing it's results.
So try harder, stirrers.
See Annual Book cover as proof.![](\"https://s3.postimg.org/yxbxn2l4j/IMG_0003.jpg\")
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FYI, Xinmin Sec School posted news of its graduands from NYJC who achieved 3-7 Distinctions at 2016 'A' level exam.
Total 24 students.[/quote]
Sure, Crester, I 'belief' what you said is true regarding the fact that was highlighted in bold red.
From the video you shared earlier, NYJC principal said that there was a 14% improvement on the number of 3H2 distinctions with GP pass. Since you confirmed that the previous percentage was 31%, therefore the current % is (31% x 1.14) = 35%.
Why do you still want to contradict yourself and deceive us that the % is definitely higher than 35%?? Try harder!
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To candyfan,
You said I had deceived you all about Nyjc results. I shall come to that in a while.
A) First, You had tried to deceive us:
- saying Nyjc class of 2016 was 710 based on your own prediction, all through your own guesses
- saying Nyjc had approx 30 retained in 2014. I had asked you to explain in my earlier post regard to this but you never explained. Never mind, again your own guesses.
How creditable are your posting about Nyjc then.
Nobody here questioned you about the above 2 claim you had made but I have to- To be fair to Nyjc.
B) Regard the % with 3H2 Distinctions and pass in GP.
The 14% increased is an improvement OF the number of students who gotten 3H2 Distinctions in 2015.
I know the exact number of Nyjc students who gotten 3H2 Distinctions (I was present that day and also confirmed the number from that Annual Book).
So 14% OF the exact students gotten 3H2 Distinctions in 2015 = xx students.
Add this xx students to the exact number of students gotten 3H2 Distinctions in 2015= xxx
Using xxx / 671 OF 100= more than 35%.
Don't just comment on the college without valid grounds.
it just shows so much about yourself. -
Sieg:
Don't mean to intrude but I must say that IP JCs encourage students, who qualify, to take 4H2 instead of 3H2 and 1H1 combination. How about NY? Is the majority of students taking 4H2? However, as you are aware, the computation of UAP is to treat the 4th H2 as if it's a H1 subject. Therefore, it is not accurate to simply look at a JC's UAP or % of 3H2 distinctions because a student who took 4H2 and another who took 3H2 and 1H1 might appear to have the same score of eg AAA/B but the former is deemed to have done better, imho.[/quote]According to my colleague's ds (J2 this year), the majority of NYJC pupils are taking 4h2. You are right on the point that NYJC encourages students to take 3h2 and 1h1. I believe that one reason could be the heavy demands of 4h2 that may take a toll on students. TJC, an IP school only allows students with 9 raw to take 4h2 (I reckon that not many take 4h2 because its COP is 9 nett, max: 13 raw). Anyway, 4h2 may be challenging for students and they must be prepared to work hard for them.
NJC has achieved so many subjects with at least 50% distinctions (including 3 subjects from the most popular PCME) and here you are trying very hard to downplay its performance and squeeze in NYJC, while dragging ACJC along, to equate itself with NJC's performance!!KTKS:
[quote=\"mindays\"]
I have my reasons for bringing in NJC this year, okay, allow me to explain, no offense intended.
I took note of NJ's results as follows:
H2 Subjects with at least 50% Distinctions
ā¢ Art
ā¢ Chinese Language & Literature
ā¢ Economics
ā¢ French
ā¢ German
ā¢ History
ā¢ Knowledge & Inquiry
ā¢ Mathematics
ā¢ Physics
ā¢ Tamil Language & Literature
Note that these H2 subjects are mostly taken by the minorities of NJ: Art, Chinese Language & Literature, French, German, Knowledge & Inquiry, Tamil Language & Literature. 6 out of 10 of the subjects that were posted on its website are subjects that are taken by the minority of the students (assuming the popular science courses in NJC is just as regular as the other JCs: PCME and BCME) Note that common humanities like Geography and Literature are not above the 50% rate.
NJC had 46% of its students scoring at least 3H2 distinctions LAST YEAR (2015 A level results).NJC has also been relatively silent about its A level results for 2016 as compared to 2015. This may mean that the 2016's results may not be as good as 2015's. This means that there may be fewer than 46% of its students achieving 3H2 distinctions. In contrast to NYJC, taking that the cohort size is 700 and 260 of them got 3H2 distinctions, the percentage (rounded down to be more prudent) is 37%. That's why I said that NYJC is probably comparable to NJC.
Given that NJC is well known for its science related programmes and its excellence in that, I would have expected its results for H2 Chemistry and H2 Biology to be one of the subjects that exceeds 50% distinction rates. As a top 5 JC (or supposedly so), it is a given that H2 Math and H2 Sciences subjects (majority take PCME too) should surpass the 50% barrier. In this case, H2 Math did and H2 Physics too. This brings me to the point that NJC may not have done as well as the other IPJCs like VJ or DHS, not to even compare with RI or HCI.
Out of all the IP JCs (there are 7 which take the A levels (2016 batch)), I took the last 3 of the tier (TJC, RVHS and NJC) and said that it is probably comparable to a top non-IP JC (in this case NYJC, but to be more correct, ACJC as its 6/7 for that year) based on COP. Rationale: logically speaking, these non-IPJCs should comprise of top o level students that didn't go IPJCs, hence COP is used.
I have no ill intentions to downgrade any JCs but rather to show that non-IP JCs can be as capable as IPJCs.
Sadly, the closest that NYJC can get is to be at par with NJC COP this year due to its popularity. :razz:
There's no evidence to prove that NYJC is probably comparable to TJC and RVHS too.
Of course you can exaggerate all that you want as you know NYJC principal will never reveal any statistics to give your past false declarations away. :evil:
Your declared that NYJC had obtained above 60% distinctions in H2 Math and Chemistry. Show us the evidence. Are these the only 2? How about the rest of the subjects? NJC has gotten 10 subjects above 50% distinctions, mind you.
P/S: How to leave the 2 circus friends here alone to direct and indulge in their own drama. :slapshead: -
But if take 3H21H1, deem as weaker students, as cannot handle 4 subjects
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phtthp:
No, there will not be any priority for 4h2 students as compared to 3h2 1 h1 students, who score the same grades. eg. AAAA by a 4h2 students and AAAA by a 3h2 1 h1 student will warrant a place of equal chance. Lets say a 4h2 student got AAAB while a 3h2 1h1 student scored AAAA, it will be deemed that the 3h2 1h1 student will secure a place in the U, by order of merit.Then, for popular subject combination like PCME -
if take either (H1 Maths or H1 Physics) : will it lower the JC2 student's chance of entering Related subjects' courses faculty in local universities (eg : Engineering) after A level exam, compared to those who had taken (H2 Maths or H2 Physics)
And,
during uni admission / selection of candidates for popular courses -
Will universit(ies) give priority or preference to JC2 students taken 4H2 subjects, before admitting students with (3H2 / 1H1) combination ?
That means, they will admit those who had done well in 4H2 first, then any more remaining vacancies left, come to the turn of 3H2/1H1 students ? ? ? -
phtthp:
But if u take 3H21H1, u are deem as weaker students, as u cannot handle 4 subjects
That is not always the case. I will say, it may be a form of strategy. Why give yourself extra stress and work when 3h2 and 1 h1 is good enough to gain admission to a local U. Furthermore, one has more time for the remaining subjects, so it may work out well. At the end of the day, scoring an AAAA is still the ultimate goal of all students, be it they are taking 3h2 1h1 or 4h2. However, taking 4h2 may make one seem more superior in handling subjects but have we ever asked our DCs whats the purpose of taking 4h2? Is it to \"show-off\" to others? If that's the case, I don't think it is a wise choice. But, if one says that the purpose of getting 4h2 is because of scholarships, then yes, it puts an edge above students taking 3h2 1h1.
To me, its up to an individual to choose, based on their manageability. There is no right or wrong. -
mindays:
No, there will not be any priority for 4h2 students as compared to 3h2 1 h1 students, who score the same grades. eg. AAAA by a 4h2 students and AAAA by a 3h2 1 h1 student will warrant a place of equal chance. Lets say a 4h2 student got AAAB while a 3h2 1h1 student scored AAAA, it will be deemed that the 3h2 1h1 student will secure a place in the U, by order of merit.
How do you know? :scratchhead: -
qms:
It is by the so called \"Rank points\" or UAS points. It will convert your A level results to a number (max is 90). It is true that 3 h2 1h1 AAAA trumps over 4 h2 AAAB.mindays:
No, there will not be any priority for 4h2 students as compared to 3h2 1 h1 students, who score the same grades. eg. AAAA by a 4h2 students and AAAA by a 3h2 1 h1 student will warrant a place of equal chance. Lets say a 4h2 student got AAAB while a 3h2 1h1 student scored AAAA, it will be deemed that the 3h2 1h1 student will secure a place in the U, by order of merit.
How do you know? :scratchhead:
Google \"calculate jc ranking points\" to find out more. I have written some posts on how exactly to calculate. -
phtthp:
For students intending to major in Engineering or Physical Sciences, having H2 Math background is highly recommended. Since there are some compulsory Engineering Math Modules (MA1505 and MA1506 in NUS), which cover advanced Calculus and Differential Equations respectively. These two modules can be hard to comprehend without a H2 Math background.Then, for popular subject combination like PCME -
if take either (H1 Maths or H1 Physics) : will it lower the JC2 student's chance of entering Related subjects' courses faculty in local universities (eg : Engineering) after A level exam, compared to those who had taken (H2 Maths or H2 Physics)
And,
during uni admission / selection of candidates for popular courses -
Will universit(ies) give priority or preference to JC2 students taken 4H2 subjects, before admitting students with (3H2 / 1H1) combination ?
That means, they will admit those who had done well in 4H2 first, then any more remaining vacancies left, come to the turn of 3H2/1H1 students ? ? ? -
I am not active in the forum but this post is a good reference for parents whose children are taking the O levels and cannot decide just yet on the choice of JCs when the time comes. It kinda summarises the thoughts of current JC parents including myself. When I told my circle of friends that my child is in NYJC, they were surprised to know that she is not in RI or VJ after scoring 8A1s. \"Oh, why not VJ or RI\" were their first reactions, mostly! How I wish she would go RI too was my reply
Instead of convincing my child to go RI (my points below), she managed to convince me instead 
My \"debate\" was :
>If you choose NY for it's close proximity(Lorong Chuan), RI is JUST ONE MORE station away at Bishan! Not much difference ma....
(We are from Circle line, MacPherson btw)
>RI is a brand and branding is important! For example, if you are seated beside a RI student who may be a 3 pointer, if not 2. People will still presume she is \"smarter\" and had better O results than you even though you are a 2 pointer from another JC.
>Your friends who are 3 pointers are going there, why not you?
> You worked hard for your O level to get good results and with good results, you should go to RI or VJ and the schools are not too far away too.
My girl's reply :
>NY is the closest to our house and it is the only JC that starts an hour or even later, I prefer to get another hour of sleep. The school has 4 dress-down days, I prefer that to wearing full u.
>Yes, RI is a brand, but I still prefer to have a school with chinese culture(my girl is from a chinese secondary school, that's why) Mum, why do you care about what others think? Who cares whether I am a 2 pointer and that I should go RI? (In my mind, I was like... aiyo, I care leh ęč¦é¢åå)
haha..
>Who says 2 pointers must go RI. I have about several school mates who are also 2 pointers. :slapshead:
>I studied hard not just to get into RI. Mum, can you stop being such an ego?? :gloomy:
Wa biang, no choice... How I wish I can say RI when friends ask where my child is studying at now, hehe(my ego is acting up). Anyway, her choice seems quite logical now that I think about it. After walking my 7-year old to school at 7.15am, I can come home and still prepare a good breakfast for her before she leaves the house at 7.55am. She reaches her school at around 8.15am.
As a parent, I would still go for the popular schools if I were the decision maker. :rahrah:
Anyway, after PSLE, I made the decision for her to go through Os instead of taking the IP path...so at 16, I let her make the final decision.
She filled in only 3 choices instead of 12 on the JAE form so I knew she has already decided on the options.
Another bigger and more important decision comes after these 2 years of JC, local or overseas Uni.
:xedfingers:
------------------------------------------------------------mindays:
Perhaps you may have overlooked my bolded \"main\" word.
NYJC rejects aren't just from RI and HCI only but VJC and NJC as well. I think it is not gracious of you to post the rejects of other JCs as well. Morever, some chose the JCs based on their comfort zone, proximity to home, etc and not all are rejects but have chosen the JCs as their first choice.blurblob11:
[quote=\"mindays\"]
Yes, we have to see whether NYJC can sustain its low cut-off point. Most students indeed come from Nan Chiau HIgh School. Chung Cheng High School (Main), Anderson Secondary School, Maris Stella High School, Catholic High School. Notice that 4 out of 5 of these schools are Chinese schools, so expect some Chinese culture ingrained in them. While I agree that students in NYJC could be a reject of RI, HCI etc, it is the same for all JCs. Take a look below:
Main students in the respective junior colleges
NJC: Rejects of RI, HCI
NYJC: Rejects of RI, HCI
TJC: Rejects of VJC, NYJC
MJC: Rejects of TJC and SAJC
SRJC: Rejects of SAJC
TPJC: Rejects of SRJC
IJC: Rejects of ALL JCs
You are right, because NYJC has the Chinese Language Elective Programme, it makes NYJC distinctive from other JCs that do not offer this programme.
Yes, EJC is coming up and students will be readily checking it out. Hope to see more interesting things from EJC. I went to the Eunoia Junior College Outreach Event. I must say, I have a good feeling about EJC.
Let me explain why I did not mention NJC and VJC but rather RI and HCI.
RI is rather close to NYJC, it is located at bishan area. jetsetter has also said that students who couldn't make it to RI will look for the nearest JC in their vicinity, which is NYJC.
HCI was chosen too, admitting the fact that they do offer CLEP. HCI is a Chinese school, so is NYJC. So, those who wanted to pursue CLEP in HCI may be rejected and hence, chose NYJC as a substitute. Or students who want the Chinese culture but got rejected by HCI, will most likely end up in NYJC.
VJC was not chosen because they are too far apart. If you say it is close and convenient, do you know that many 2 pointers who are more than eligible to enter RI chose VJC instead? And since NYJC is closer to VJC as compared to RI, it certainly does not make sense that NYJC comprises of rejects from VJC.
NJC was not chosen because the main students who are in NYJC are not MAINLY rejects of NJC.
I do not do that for fun or to bring down other JCs.
I think it is not gracious of others to imply that only NYJCians are rejects of RI (jetsetter).
I agree with you that not all of the students are rejects but have chosen the respective JC as their 1st choice. This applies to ALL JCs.[/quote] -
Thanks for sharing, HappyFreeMama. May I ask why your dd didn't consider HCI? It has a Chinese culture and starts school late on some days too.
HappyFreeMama:
I am not active in the forum but this post is a good reference for parents whose children are taking the O levels and cannot decide just yet on the choice of JCs when the time comes. It kinda summarises the thoughts of current JC parents including myself. When I told my circle of friends that my child is in NYJC, they were surprised to know that she is not in RI or VJ after scoring 8A1s. \"Oh, why not VJ or RI\" were their first reactions, mostly! How I wish she would go RI too was my reply
Instead of convincing my child to go RI (my points below), she managed to convince me instead
My \"debate\" was :
>If you choose NY for it's close proximity(Lorong Chuan), RI is JUST ONE MORE station away at Bishan! Not much difference ma....
(We are from Circle line, MacPherson btw)
>RI is a brand and branding is important! For example, if you are seated beside a RI student who may be a 3 pointer, if not 2. People will still presume she is \"smarter\" and had better O results than you even though you are a 2 pointer from another JC.
>Your friends who are 3 pointers are going there, why not you?
> You worked hard for your O level to get good results and with good results, you should go to RI or VJ and the schools are not too far away too.
My girl's reply :
>NY is the closest to our house and it is the only JC that starts an hour or even later, I prefer to get another hour of sleep. The school has 4 dress-down days, I prefer that to wearing full u.
>Yes, RI is a brand, but I still prefer to have a school with chinese culture(my girl is from a chinese secondary school, that's why) Mum, why do you care about what others think? Who cares whether I am a 2 pointer and that I should go RI? (In my mind, I was like... aiyo, I care leh ęč¦é¢åå) haha..
>Who says 2 pointers must go RI. I have about several school mates who are also 2 pointers. :slapshead:
>I studied hard not just to get into RI. Mum, can you stop being such an ego?? :gloomy:
Wa biang, no choice... How I wish I can say RI when friends ask where my child is studying at now, hehe(my ego is acting up). Anyway, her choice seems quite logical now that I think about it. After walking my 7-year old to school at 7.15am, I can come home and still prepare a good breakfast for her before she leaves the house at 7.55am. She reaches her school at around 8.15am.
As a parent, I would still go for the popular schools if I were the decision maker. :rahrah:
Anyway, after PSLE, I made the decision for her to go through Os instead of taking the IP path...so at 16, I let her make the final decision.
She filled in only 3 choices instead of 12 on the JAE form so I knew she has already decided on the options.
Another bigger and more important decision comes after these 2 years of JC, local or overseas Uni.
:xedfingers:
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