* Nanyang JC (NYJC)

[ryanryan]

Sieg:

. How about NYJC? Is the majority of students taking 4H2?

I am curious to know too

[iFirefly]

ilovelaksa:

Ya, I also wonder why the 4th H2 is the same grade as a H1, like a B in H2 is the same as a B in H1. I understand a H1 is half the curriculum of a H2.
But ok, I try to encourage my children that the added knowledge is more important than the grade itself.
At least the 4th H2 is useful for scholarship application : )

ilovelaksa:

phtthp:

since H1 is half the syllabus covered compared to H2, for the same subject, is it easier to score distinction A for H1, or not really ?

Apparently not. My ds' school mate did H1 Maths at the A lvls, he scored a B. He got A1 in A+E Maths in the O lvls. He started with H2 Maths but dropped to H1 Maths a short while bef promos. He did ok for H2 Maths in the J1 CTs but he decided that he didn't like Maths. His J2 H1 Maths CTs and prelims were consistently an A so his A lvl result was a shocker.

H1 is not half the syllabus of H2 (approx 2/3). H1 does cover fewer topics than H2 (for the same subject) but depth of coverage is the same. Hence, students in DS' school are encouraged to take 4 H2s, as H1 is only a little less demanding than H2.

[Crester]

Quoted by candyfan:

Ex-P Mr Kwek said there are around 710 students for 2016 and also for each of the past 3 years.

If 2015 intake was 710 and approx 30 were retained in 2014, it would have a total of 740 students in 2015.
If 30 students were retained by end 2015, it would have 710 JC2 students in 2016. Therefore the total number of students in each JC2 cohort will still be 710 yearly as we need to add the retainees from the previous cohort. And we have not added some who may return to NYJC to repeat JC2 after obtaining their A level results.

Thus 250+/710+ = approx 35% is correct.[/quote]

If your figures are close to the accurate numbers regard the cohort size of class 2015 and 3H2 Distinctions %, I would think it's fine BUT your given figures and % are wrong and far from it.
Here, I have to disappoint you that your prediction about Nyjc class of 2015 to be 710 ( cohort which took 2016 A Level exam) is Wrong.
And your approx 35% is definitely Wrong again.

I had said in March this year, Nyjc 2016 A level results for minimum 3H2 Distinctions with pass in GP is definitely higher than 35% this year.
I promised I'm not lying. Don't belief me, then don't.

Why I'm so sure?
Well I have this year NYJC Annual Book. It featured class photos of all 2015 J2 students.
The total cohort is not 710 students But 671 ( Mindays already showed us in the Nyjc FB the many papers good luck stars made for J2 last year ).
Why still want to stir inaccurate facts.
And how you know approx 30 retained in 2014?

The Nyjc Annual Book also listed the Names of Each TOP Honour students of class 2014 ( took A Level in 2015, with minimum 3H2 Distinctions & pass in GP ) which I had said in my last year post that NYJC had about 31% with 3 Distinctions n pass in GP.

I know it will be good if Nyjc post its results, then all speculation will end. As MOE is emphasizing the holistic development of students and no longer focusing on grades, Nyjc does not show such results officially. But that doesn't warrant Nyjc to be subjected to inaccurate remarks.
Other JCs may show results ( not all JCs ) so be it.

There are stirrers who post unfavourable and unfair comments about Nyjc results based on inaccurate facts, that's why I have to keep emphasizing it's results.

So try harder, stirrers.

See Annual Book cover as proof.
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FYI, Xinmin Sec School posted news of its graduands from NYJC who achieved 3-7 Distinctions at 2016 'A' level exam.
Total 24 students.[/quote]

Sure, Crester, I 'belief' what you said is true regarding the fact that was highlighted in bold red.
From the video you shared earlier, NYJC principal said that there was a 14% improvement on the number of 3H2 distinctions with GP pass. Since you confirmed that the previous percentage was 31%, therefore the current % is (31% x 1.14) = 35%.

Why do you still want to contradict yourself and deceive us that the % is definitely higher than 35%?? Try harder! [/quote]

To candyfan,
You said I had deceived you all about Nyjc results. I shall come to that in a while.

A) First, You had tried to deceive us:
- saying Nyjc class of 2016 was 710 based on your own prediction, all through your own guesses

- saying Nyjc had approx 30 retained in 2014. I had asked you to explain in my earlier post regard to this but you never explained. Never mind, again your own guesses.
How creditable are your posting about Nyjc then.
Nobody here questioned you about the above 2 claim you had made but I have to- To be fair to Nyjc.

B) Regard the % with 3H2 Distinctions and pass in GP.
The 14% increased is an improvement OF the number of students who gotten 3H2 Distinctions in 2015.
I know the exact number of Nyjc students who gotten 3H2 Distinctions (I was present that day and also confirmed the number from that Annual Book).
So 14% OF the exact students gotten 3H2 Distinctions in 2015 = xx students.
Add this xx students to the exact number of students gotten 3H2 Distinctions in 2015= xxx
Using xxx / 671 OF 100= more than 35%.

Don't just comment on the college without valid grounds.
it just shows so much about yourself.

[mindays]

Sieg:

KTKS:

[quote=\"mindays\"]
I have my reasons for bringing in NJC this year, okay, allow me to explain, no offense intended.

I took note of NJ's results as follows:
H2 Subjects with at least 50% Distinctions
• Art
• Chinese Language & Literature
• Economics
• French
• German
• History
• Knowledge & Inquiry
• Mathematics
• Physics
• Tamil Language & Literature

Note that these H2 subjects are mostly taken by the minorities of NJ: Art, Chinese Language & Literature, French, German, Knowledge & Inquiry, Tamil Language & Literature. 6 out of 10 of the subjects that were posted on its website are subjects that are taken by the minority of the students (assuming the popular science courses in NJC is just as regular as the other JCs: PCME and BCME) Note that common humanities like Geography and Literature are not above the 50% rate.

NJC had 46% of its students scoring at least 3H2 distinctions LAST YEAR (2015 A level results).NJC has also been relatively silent about its A level results for 2016 as compared to 2015. This may mean that the 2016's results may not be as good as 2015's. This means that there may be fewer than 46% of its students achieving 3H2 distinctions. In contrast to NYJC, taking that the cohort size is 700 and 260 of them got 3H2 distinctions, the percentage (rounded down to be more prudent) is 37%. That's why I said that NYJC is probably comparable to NJC.

Given that NJC is well known for its science related programmes and its excellence in that, I would have expected its results for H2 Chemistry and H2 Biology to be one of the subjects that exceeds 50% distinction rates. As a top 5 JC (or supposedly so), it is a given that H2 Math and H2 Sciences subjects (majority take PCME too) should surpass the 50% barrier. In this case, H2 Math did and H2 Physics too. This brings me to the point that NJC may not have done as well as the other IPJCs like VJ or DHS, not to even compare with RI or HCI.

Out of all the IP JCs (there are 7 which take the A levels (2016 batch)), I took the last 3 of the tier (TJC, RVHS and NJC) and said that it is probably comparable to a top non-IP JC (in this case NYJC, but to be more correct, ACJC as its 6/7 for that year) based on COP. Rationale: logically speaking, these non-IPJCs should comprise of top o level students that didn't go IPJCs, hence COP is used.

I have no ill intentions to downgrade any JCs but rather to show that non-IP JCs can be as capable as IPJCs.

NJC has achieved so many subjects with at least 50% distinctions (including 3 subjects from the most popular PCME) and here you are trying very hard to downplay its performance and squeeze in NYJC, while dragging ACJC along, to equate itself with NJC's performance!!
Sadly, the closest that NYJC can get is to be at par with NJC COP this year due to its popularity. :razz:
There's no evidence to prove that NYJC is probably comparable to TJC and RVHS too.

Of course you can exaggerate all that you want as you know NYJC principal will never reveal any statistics to give your past false declarations away. :evil:

Your declared that NYJC had obtained above 60% distinctions in H2 Math and Chemistry. Show us the evidence. Are these the only 2? How about the rest of the subjects? NJC has gotten 10 subjects above 50% distinctions, mind you.

P/S: How to leave the 2 circus friends here alone to direct and indulge in their own drama. :slapshead:

Don't mean to intrude but I must say that IP JCs encourage students, who qualify, to take 4H2 instead of 3H2 and 1H1 combination. How about NY? Is the majority of students taking 4H2? However, as you are aware, the computation of UAP is to treat the 4th H2 as if it's a H1 subject. Therefore, it is not accurate to simply look at a JC's UAP or % of 3H2 distinctions because a student who took 4H2 and another who took 3H2 and 1H1 might appear to have the same score of eg AAA/B but the former is deemed to have done better, imho.[/quote]According to my colleague's ds (J2 this year), the majority of NYJC pupils are taking 4h2. You are right on the point that NYJC encourages students to take 3h2 and 1h1. I believe that one reason could be the heavy demands of 4h2 that may take a toll on students. TJC, an IP school only allows students with 9 raw to take 4h2 (I reckon that not many take 4h2 because its COP is 9 nett, max: 13 raw). Anyway, 4h2 may be challenging for students and they must be prepared to work hard for them.

[phtthp]

But if take 3H21H1, deem as weaker students, as cannot handle 4 subjects

[mindays]

phtthp:

Then, for popular subject combination like PCME -

if take either (H1 Maths or H1 Physics) : will it lower the JC2 student's chance of entering Related subjects' courses faculty in local universities (eg : Engineering) after A level exam, compared to those who had taken (H2 Maths or H2 Physics)

And,

during uni admission / selection of candidates for popular courses -

Will universit(ies) give priority or preference to JC2 students taken 4H2 subjects, before admitting students with (3H2 / 1H1) combination ?

That means, they will admit those who had done well in 4H2 first, then any more remaining vacancies left, come to the turn of 3H2/1H1 students ? ? ?

No, there will not be any priority for 4h2 students as compared to 3h2 1 h1 students, who score the same grades. eg. AAAA by a 4h2 students and AAAA by a 3h2 1 h1 student will warrant a place of equal chance. Lets say a 4h2 student got AAAB while a 3h2 1h1 student scored AAAA, it will be deemed that the 3h2 1h1 student will secure a place in the U, by order of merit.

[mindays]

phtthp:

But if u take 3H21H1, u are deem as weaker students, as u cannot handle 4 subjects

That is not always the case. I will say, it may be a form of strategy. Why give yourself extra stress and work when 3h2 and 1 h1 is good enough to gain admission to a local U. Furthermore, one has more time for the remaining subjects, so it may work out well. At the end of the day, scoring an AAAA is still the ultimate goal of all students, be it they are taking 3h2 1h1 or 4h2. However, taking 4h2 may make one seem more superior in handling subjects but have we ever asked our DCs whats the purpose of taking 4h2? Is it to \"show-off\" to others? If that's the case, I don't think it is a wise choice. But, if one says that the purpose of getting 4h2 is because of scholarships, then yes, it puts an edge above students taking 3h2 1h1.

To me, its up to an individual to choose, based on their manageability. There is no right or wrong.

[qms]

mindays:

No, there will not be any priority for 4h2 students as compared to 3h2 1 h1 students, who score the same grades. eg. AAAA by a 4h2 students and AAAA by a 3h2 1 h1 student will warrant a place of equal chance. Lets say a 4h2 student got AAAB while a 3h2 1h1 student scored AAAA, it will be deemed that the 3h2 1h1 student will secure a place in the U, by order of merit.

How do you know? :scratchhead:

[mathtuition88]

qms:

mindays:

No, there will not be any priority for 4h2 students as compared to 3h2 1 h1 students, who score the same grades. eg. AAAA by a 4h2 students and AAAA by a 3h2 1 h1 student will warrant a place of equal chance. Lets say a 4h2 student got AAAB while a 3h2 1h1 student scored AAAA, it will be deemed that the 3h2 1h1 student will secure a place in the U, by order of merit.

How do you know? :scratchhead:

It is by the so called \"Rank points\" or UAS points. It will convert your A level results to a number (max is 90). It is true that 3 h2 1h1 AAAA trumps over 4 h2 AAAB.

Google \"calculate jc ranking points\" to find out more. I have written some posts on how exactly to calculate.

[mathtuition88]

phtthp:

Then, for popular subject combination like PCME -

if take either (H1 Maths or H1 Physics) : will it lower the JC2 student's chance of entering Related subjects' courses faculty in local universities (eg : Engineering) after A level exam, compared to those who had taken (H2 Maths or H2 Physics)

And,

during uni admission / selection of candidates for popular courses -

Will universit(ies) give priority or preference to JC2 students taken 4H2 subjects, before admitting students with (3H2 / 1H1) combination ?

That means, they will admit those who had done well in 4H2 first, then any more remaining vacancies left, come to the turn of 3H2/1H1 students ? ? ?

For students intending to major in Engineering or Physical Sciences, having H2 Math background is highly recommended. Since there are some compulsory Engineering Math Modules (MA1505 and MA1506 in NUS), which cover advanced Calculus and Differential Equations respectively. These two modules can be hard to comprehend without a H2 Math background.