Networking Group - JCs General

[Sieg]

slmkhoo:

As long as the total no. of JC places remains at the same proportion of the cohort size, does it really make much difference? I can see MOE's rationale (being ex-public sector) that economies of scale make larger JCs better in some ways - more subject comb choices, more CCA choices, larger and more varied facilities etc. It's sad for those which are closing, but at least no teachers will lose their jobs, and those who want to take A levels will have the same opportunities as before. The cut-off points are determined by the applicants, not the JC. So if each existing JC expands the no. of students it can take in, and there is no further \"improvement\" in A level grades scored by each cohort, the COPs will fall.

Today's paper states that some JC teachers will be transferred to secondary schools. Some teachers were upset that they were kept in the dark for so long.
Yeah, let's see if the COP for JC eligibilty will still be capped at 20 raw in the years to come.

[zbear]

Sieg:

zbear:

My interpretation of MOE's move is a signal to O level students who score more than 10 pointers to choose Poly route instead of JC as I see that the partnership of the merged JCs - low tier JC stops intake n gets absorbed into mid tier JC.


Eventually those who score more than 10 points will have a lesser choice of JCs and more Polys to choose.

Are all O level 10-20 pointers not good enough for JC?
DS' home tutor was from TPJC and a graduand of NUS biomedical course. She is currently doing her PhD in UK. Morever for one to choose the poly route, the pupil has to know his future career path. Not everyone is ready at the age of 16.

It's not a matter of not good enough. JC is more competitive now and the gap between the no of students scoring 7As/8As (A levels) is widening from top to low JCs. Only a minority of students who study in the mid/low tier will do well. So MOE doesn't want to waste resources and not to waste time of students to struggle and compete with the higher ability students.

Regardless of whether JC or Poly, many are unsure of their career paths at 16 yrs old but tapping on yr strengths will more or less tell you which route to go for.

[jetsetter]

Sieg:

floppy:

[quote=\"Sieg\"]\"As to why new JCs such as Eunoia were still being opened if enrolment was dwindling, MOE said that Eunoia JC was opened not to increase capacity but to give students more options, and for a more varied educational landscape\".


This is vague. Can someone please elaborate on the \"give more options and varied educational landscape\".

Because someone, somewhere screws up.
If you cannot convince them, confuse them - and the best way of confusing people is to lump together a few comprehensible, but totally meaning phrases.

this is one good interpretation.

My initial thought was EJC, being an IP-JC housing legit brighter students, is one that our 'garmen' would love to promote while those poorer-performing jcs are to be eliminated. In short, it is promoting elitism that will result in further kiasuism among anxious parents here. Not afraid birth rate will be afffected? Things will work well here only if one is blessed with academically smart kid(s).[/quote]Do those merged JCs have high JC1 retention rates? If yes, isn't it better for those kids with 15-20 points to join MI or poly to get a diploma which is higher than A level cert?

[zbear]

Just thinking aloud - it’s an irony that MOE build a new JC (Euonia) to cater to the demand for more IP JCs n shrinking the no of lower JCs (non IP). isn’t this creating more stress amongst the Primary kids (PSLE) and parents who don’t want to go to Poly but JC and for those who are determined to try n not give up just becos you are lesser capable than the high ability ones?


Is this another way of creating elitism when MOE die die says All Schools Are Good??? Is this motto still good???

[candyfan]

Sieg:

\"As to why new JCs such as Eunoia were still being opened if enrolment was dwindling, MOE said that Eunoia JC was opened not to increase capacity but to give students more options, and for a more varied educational landscape\".


This is vague. Can someone please elaborate on the \"give more options and varied educational landscape\".

I have nothing against EJC but just inputting my viewpoints here.
Why did MOE choose YJC and AJC as the premises for the merging JCs? They are relatively smaller and more rundown than those JCs they are 'absorbing'. In contrast, EJC looks 'gorgeous' with this artist's impression:

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[Nebbermind]

Is poly really that unpopular?

[stetan]

It looks like MOE is thinking that post secondary education is mostly via the IP route - RI HCI NJC VJC EJC TJC DHS RVHS ACSI SJI - going back 1 full round to the times where Pre U is integrated with the more elite sec schools. Lesser performing non IP JCs will be slowly closing down?


None of the 5 polys is being merged. I guess they are channeling the lower ability students to polys.

Also, i think they should just merge HC with NJC since they are just directly opp each other. Why have 2 JC at the same site?

[jetsetter]

floppy:

Because someone, somewhere screws up.
If you cannot convince them, confuse them - and the best way of confusing people is to lump together a few comprehensible, but totally meaning phrases.

Correction: should read \"meaningless\".

Think no one had a crystal ball back in the early noughties. Look at the spike in births in Y2K...did it look promising? No wonder RAdm TCH and subsequently Tharman went ahead to approve the building of those 3 new lower-tier JCs.

Also notice these soon-to-be white dumbos were built post 911, when our realty/building & construction sector was in doldrums. We all know govt spending on infrastructure will suddenly increase to boost the economy, given that infrastructure is a key driver of economic activity and a catalyst for growth. The last approval was for the building of that useless sportshub (2007-08 recession).

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[jetsetter]

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[jetsetter]

can the mods merge the relevant posts ?