Networking Group - JCs General

[thsheng99]

jetsetter:

You rather have the whole job market flooded with many uni grads?

Frankly, I would rather the job market be flooded by many local u grad than with FT grads with degrees from dubious universities in India

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/eat-drink-man-woman-16/songboh-95%25-engineers-india-unfit-software-development-jobs-5604885.html

[jtoh]

As the universities are more and more open to poly grads entering university, it might be better for some students to take the poly route. If during poly they decide uni is not right for them, they graduate with a diploma. If they decide to go on to uni, depending on the course, they can skip year one uni. So in effect, they don’t lose out in terms of time spent compared to students taking A levels. It’s not necessarily a longer route. The hands-on and project-based modules work better for some students. I have friends whose kids decided to go the poly route over JC. They enjoyed the course and are now applying for the local universities. No regrets at all.

[Nebbermind]

jetsetter:

You rather have the whole job market flooded with many uni grads?

Don't see it as being elitist. Poly grads can still rejoin the uni pathway. This alternative is actually better for certain groups of kids who find it tough to pass GP and/or MT. 勉强读A水准是没有幸福的！

Still donch understand why so many liken poly to 2nd class citizen.
Anyway, for those cases quoted somewhere, eg,N level eventually going to do phd, or 19-pointers getting 2nd upper etc, I'm sure if they had end up in poly, they will probably do well too, ie, topping the poly cohort and getting a place in unis too....just probably...I donch know for sure....but certainly Poly is not a deadend route.

[jetsetter]

thsheng99:

jetsetter:

You rather have the whole job market flooded with many uni grads?

Frankly, I would rather the job market be flooded by many local u grad than with FT grads with degrees from dubious universities in India

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/eat-drink-man-woman-16/songboh-95%25-engineers-india-unfit-software-development-jobs-5604885.html

Foreign manpower has been cut. Think they are desperately trying to fill those S pass vacancies. Of course some Indian banking professionals are still around.


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Supply > Demand
Believe me, with Trump in power, u dun want that! He is reviewing some FTAs now and trying to woo MNCs back to US to create jobs for Americans First. I think we need to manage our supply carefully in the coming years.

Who wants their kid to be unemployed and underemployed? Moreover, if there are too many uni fresh grads, who bears the brunt? Your middle aged hubby or wife lor, cos the excess supply of youngsters are cheaper to hire!


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[jetsetter]

Nebbermind:

jetsetter:

You rather have the whole job market flooded with many uni grads?

Don't see it as being elitist. Poly grads can still rejoin the uni pathway. This alternative is actually better for certain groups of kids who find it tough to pass GP and/or MT. 勉强读A水准是没有幸福的！

Still donch understand why so many liken poly to 2nd class citizen.
Anyway, for those cases quoted somewhere, eg,N level eventually going to do phd, or 19-pointers getting 2nd upper etc, I'm sure if they had end up in poly, they will probably do well too, ie, topping the poly cohort and getting a place in unis too....just probably...I donch know for sure....but certainly Poly is not a deadend route.

If one doesn't mind the poly path, one can consider joining the public service after graduating from poly. Starting salaries are the same as fresh grads...

[floppy]

All roads lead to Rome.


Some longer, some shorter. I never understand why people insist that there is only one correct path.

[sharonkhoo]

floppy:

All roads lead to Rome.


Some longer, some shorter. I never understand why people insist that there is only one correct path.

And not everyone wants to go to Rome!

[mum_sugoku]

floppy:

zbear:

My interpretation of MOE's move is a signal to O level students who score more than 10 pointers to choose Poly route instead of JC as I see that the partnership of the merged JCs - low tier JC stops intake n gets absorbed into mid tier JC.


Eventually those who score more than 10 points will have a lesser choice of JCs and more Polys to choose.

Yes, could well be the case.

However, it's not really a case of low tier JCs being absorbed into mid tier JCs given that the only mid tier JC is AJC (in the headline). The rest are the 7 JCs with the worst off COP.

More likely, 'merging' is just a more diplomatic term for 'closing down' (those JCs with the poorest COP).

Cos if you look at the manner they do the 'merging', it's those with poorer COP being absorbed into another with better COP; doesn't matter if the campus is newer (Innova/SRJC newer than YJC/AJC), or more conveniently located (TPJC is next to an upcoming mrt station but absorbed into nowhere-near-mrt-station's MJC).

[mum_sugoku]

stetan:

slmkhoo:

[quote=\"stetan\"]None of the 5 polys is being merged. I guess they are channeling the lower ability students to polys.

I think it's the other way round - based on what I see/hear among many of the averagely-performing students I know, quite a large proportion prefer to choose poly rather than JC, which would seem to indicate that JCs are falling in popularity. There are students who know that the poly style of more hands-on education is not for them, and those who prefer the depth of A levels/IB and are sure they will go on to university, but I think quite a lot are attracted to polys. Polys give the option of a clearly work-ready diploma plus the possibility of continuing to university; A levels, if the student doesn't go on to university, aren't so useful in landing a job.

A good post i read in another forum:

Another factor to consider is that thanks to poly's marketing, now it's a rather attractive option for youngsters. They are in that stage where \"wah, I don't want JC, go poly, get hands on experience, no need wear uniform.\"

Then if their GPA CMI, they realize that most of our local unis don't want them and their 2+ GPA and regret. You need almost perfect GPA from poly to go to our local U. Still much harder to go U via poly route

Also, another reason could be that because of the perceived difficulty of A levels, those with L1R5 scores of 15-20 may not want to enter a JC since they feel they are not capable of scoring for the A levels also contributing to falling enrollment in the lower tier JC's.[/quote]Don't quite agree. I believe those who qualify (comfortably) for JC but choose to go poly, chance is, they'll quality for local U - via poly route- subsequently; either directly after poly (+NS for boys), or after working for a couple of years.

At least that's the case for all the friends/relatives I know of.

[sharonkhoo]

mum_sugoku:

Cos if you look at the manner they do the 'merging', it's those with poorer COP being absorbed into another with better COP; doesn't matter if the campus is newer (Innova/SRJC newer than YJC/AJC), or more conveniently located (TPJC is next to an upcoming mrt station but absorbed into nowhere-near-mrt-station's MJC).

Perhaps rather than look at it as MOE closing the JCs which take in weaker students, we can look at it as MOE reducing the no. of less popular JCs? It ends up being pretty much the same thing, but it becomes a \"managing resources\" decision rather than a \"discriminating against weaker students\" decision. And I'm pretty sure that they will sweeten the deal by improving or increasing facilities at the merged JCs.