[PSLE MT] PSLE less weightage in Chinese / Mother Tongue
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minnie2004:
minnie,
3boys, you've missed the point again. I think nan.nan is so :slapshead: :frustrated: that she doesn't bother to clarify anymore.3Boys:
nan.nan
did you not appreciate the irony? :? What you have said completely illustrates my point. There is so much hue and cry about the culture, but its just all of half a century! Singapore itself is already 45 years old....that is nothing!
Yes the Putonghua may exist for only 55 years (although Mandarin, the Beijing dialect, has been around much longer), but the Chinese culture streches way back to 4000 years. I don't understand why you keep confusing Chinese culture with Putonghua. Maybe it's a living evidence that the lack of knowledge of a language has a negative impact on one's ability to understand and appreciate one's history and roots
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I am not confusing the 2. Although you put forth a more moderate and nuanced stand, that is not the case in the general debate both here and in other fora, and was not my experience previously. The position you take opens the door for a more graded and nuanced approach. This is at variance with the hardline 'mandarin or bust' approach.
What perplexes me is that Singaporeans, living in Singapore, are willing to go to cultural war with each other over a standard (not culture mind you, a standard) set by a foreign government, and not willing to plot our own way forwards, crafting policies that are commensurate with the needs of our population. No other country does what we do.
Honestly, if I had known then what it was all about, I would have told a couple of my more nasty CL2 teachers to take a walk..... -
3Boys:
May I ask, who set our English standard here? Is it Singapore?
What perplexes me is that Singaporeans, living in Singapore, are willing to go to cultural war with each other over a standard (not culture mind you, a standard) set by a foreign government, and not willing to plot our own way forwards, crafting policies that are commensurate with the needs of our population. No other country does what we do.
Or we should modify (read: lower) our Chinese standard to just daily conversational Chinese, so that only Singaporean Chinese would understand what another Singaporean Chinese is saying, but outside Singapore, it has not much value as a tool of communication? -
HyperKiasu:
but if standard raise, those minority will suffer further, thus offset the lowering weightage..... :|[/quote]I guess which ever way, these minority will still suffer. So maybe MOE thinks that at least if they do badly with the rising (or recently raised?) standard, it won't affect this group of people that much.
Hee...maybe MOE is thinking of raising (or with the new textbook and examination format wef this yr, has already raised?) the standard of Chinese, but worried that there are people who can't cope with it, so propose lowering the weighting of MT to neutralise the effect.sunflower:
[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]A few weeks back, I was told by a principal, that MOE has tasked them to do the program on Bicultural Excellence thingy, to develop a group of people well versed in western and oriental culture and languages ..... then the MOE bombshell by Minister Ng on reducing the MT weightage : this is totally illogical in the sequence of events.
What is MOE trying to say ?
But of course, I'm still against lowering MT weighting. -
rains:
That does not mean that they will do business with you in English or nego a contract with you in English.I'm just wondering if people who advocate learning of Chinese for business-doing in China realise that the China Chinese have been furiously learning English?
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They learn it so that they can get in to work for a MNC to get the fat pay cheques. All work related documents are still in Chinese, by the way. -
HyperKiasu:
Precisely.minnie2004:
[quote=\"3Boys\"]What if the KMT had won the war in the 1940s? Would Hokkien be the official lingo of Chinese then?
I'm sorry, Hokkien wouldn't have made it as Chiang Kai-shek is from Ningbo, so he would be speaking Shanghainese rather than Hokkien, which is only a dialect of the Taiwanese natives
what if KMT won the war, the disaster caused by the Communists would have been avoided, millions of innocent lives can be saved. And the Big China would have become a super power house many decades ago...
implication: Singaporeans would be crazy learning Chinese.
conclusion:
1) Chinese weightage would have been 35% (rather than current 25%) or
2) Other subjects (math or science) would have been conducted in Chinese as well.[/quote]Ig KMT won the war, you would have a dozen more Chen Shui Bian, ้ไพฟ้ไพฟ -
minnie2004:
And what dialect would the KMT-led China be speaking? Mandarin. Just like what the KMT is speaking in Taiwan, despite the locals speak Hokkien.
Precisely.HyperKiasu:
[quote=\"minnie2004\"]
I'm sorry, Hokkien wouldn't have made it as Chiang Kai-shek is from Ningbo, so he would be speaking Shanghainese rather than Hokkien, which is only a dialect of the Taiwanese natives
what if KMT won the war, the disaster caused by the Communists would have been avoided, millions of innocent lives can be saved. And the Big China would have become a super power house many decades ago...
implication: Singaporeans would be crazy learning Chinese.
conclusion:
1) Chinese weightage would have been 35% (rather than current 25%) or
2) Other subjects (math or science) would have been conducted in Chinese as well.
The communists in china nowadays is more capitalist than a lot of capitalist countries in the world. Under the current \"communist\" leadership, China is going to be the BIG China in the coming century. So what are the people thinking when they want to lower the Chinese weightage at a time when it should be raised to 35%? Just like making investments, one should always look at the future, not the past.[/quote]The CCP ไผ็งๅ ๅ these days pride themselves as the Red Capitalist -
sunflower:
I guess which ever way, these minority will still suffer. So maybe MOE thinks that at least if they do badly with the rising (or recently raised?) standard, it won't affect this group of people that much.
but if standard raise, those minority will suffer further, thus offset the lowering weightage.....HyperKiasu:
[quote=\"sunflower\"]
Hee...maybe MOE is thinking of raising (or with the new textbook and examination format wef this yr, has already raised?) the standard of Chinese, but worried that there are people who can't cope with it, so propose lowering the weighting of MT to neutralise the effect.
But of course, I'm still against lowering MT weighting.[/quote]duno whether it is becoz i am against MT cut, I feel MOE's recent statement all full of contraditctions..... -
verykiasu2010:
Ig KMT won the war, you would have a dozen more Chen Shui Bian, ้ไพฟ้ไพฟ[/quote]
Precisely.HyperKiasu:
[quote=\"minnie2004\"]
I'm sorry, Hokkien wouldn't have made it as Chiang Kai-shek is from Ningbo, so he would be speaking Shanghainese rather than Hokkien, which is only a dialect of the Taiwanese natives
what if KMT won the war, the disaster caused by the Communists would have been avoided, millions of innocent lives can be saved. And the Big China would have become a super power house many decades ago...
implication: Singaporeans would be crazy learning Chinese.
conclusion:
1) Chinese weightage would have been 35% (rather than current 25%) or
2) Other subjects (math or science) would have been conducted in Chinese as well.
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verykiasu2010:
The CCP ไผ็งๅ ๅ these days pride themselves as the Red Capitalist[/quote]haha, no wonder in china stock market, if up they use red arrow up....
And what dialect would the KMT-led China be speaking? Mandarin. Just like what the KMT is speaking in Taiwan, despite the locals speak Hokkien.minnie2004:
[quote=\"HyperKiasu\"]
Precisely.
what if KMT won the war, the disaster caused by the Communists would have been avoided, millions of innocent lives can be saved. And the Big China would have become a super power house many decades ago...
implication: Singaporeans would be crazy learning Chinese.
conclusion:
1) Chinese weightage would have been 35% (rather than current 25%) or
2) Other subjects (math or science) would have been conducted in Chinese as well.
The communists in china nowadays is more capitalist than a lot of capitalist countries in the world. Under the current \"communist\" leadership, China is going to be the BIG China in the coming century. So what are the people thinking when they want to lower the Chinese weightage at a time when it should be raised to 35%? Just like making investments, one should always look at the future, not the past. -
generally the lao bai xin are not too stupid
they do understand that if weightage is reduced :
students will pay less attention to it
schools will time-table less periods for it
less activities will be using MT, principal will allocate less resources to MT, after all, it contributes less to the T-score
MT teachers will take it easy on the students
hence, the result will be the downward spiral of MT standard, be it spoken or written or readingโฆ, hence MT at sec school will have to be optional so that the few "bright" spark will not have their academic records blemished by weak MT scores
and, eventually MT will become totally optional
BUT, if that is the eventual desired outcome, MOE should not reduce the weightage, just make it optional and zero weight it; and at PSLE, just use the best 3 subjecs to compute the T-score.
The market will decide who will be the losers
To the MOE : if you want to do it, make sure it is fair and donโt penalise those who puts effort to it.
Similarly, consider the cut in weightage for Math, Sci, Eng too as there are so many students who struggle with it
We not stupid
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