2018 P1 registration exercise for 2019 intake
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phtthp:
I’m guessing either Catholic High or Aitong. The previous case (with jail time for the father) was MGS I believe.parents fined $ 9000, for lying to enrol kid into a primary school in Bishan
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/parents-fined-for-lying-about-home-address-to-get-child-into-9906246 -
zac's mum:
Why the inconsistency, in sentence ?
I’m guessing either Catholic High or Aitong. The previous case (with jail time for the father) was MGS I believe.phtthp:
parents fined $ 9000, for lying to enrol kid into a primary school in Bishan
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/parents-fined-for-lying-about-home-address-to-get-child-into-9906246
this one (either Catholic High / Ai Tong), let $ solve the problem, no need jail term involved, can resolve, whereas that MGS case : must go jail some more ?
bewtween the 2 schools, more likely to be Catholic High, because Catholic High has affliation to Secondary & is a GEP centre, whereas Ai Tong dont have affliation nor GEP.
the affliation aspect is important. Once enrolled into affliated Catholic High, can ensure at least smooth ten years, from p1 to sec 4 (o level).
For a parent to go to such a daring extent of lying to MOE/school involved, and also lying to neighbourhood police to change IC address, this school must have strong, appealing, attractive features. -
phtthp:
No jail time for previous case also. Original
Why the inconsistency, in sentence ?zac's mum:
I’m guessing either Catholic High or Aitong. The previous case (with jail time for the father) was MGS I believe.
this one (either Catholic High / Ai Tong), let $ solve the problem, no need jail term involved, can resolve, whereas that MGS case : must go jail some more ?
sentence of two weeks' jail for faking his address was change on appeal to the maximum fine of $5,000 instead.phtthp:
Off topic.bewtween the 2 schools, more likely to be Catholic High, because Catholic High has affliation to Secondary & is a GEP centre, whereas Ai Tong dont have affliation nor GEP.
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For a parent to go to such a daring extent of lying to MOE/school involved, and also lying to neighbourhood police to change IC address, this school must have strong, appealing, attractive features.
Given that Ai Tong doesn’t have affiliation nor GEP, is an especially large school (330 per enrollment) and located in a low catchment area (with large reservoirs and low density housing nearby), it is consistently a difficult school to get into (probably more so than CHS and some other affiliated schools or GEP centers). ATS is probably an example that having affiliation and GEP aren’t critical success factor or unique selling point in becoming a popular school. -
Another article: https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2018/01/29/couple-fined-9000-for-giving-false-address-and-lying-to-police-officer-to-enroll-their-child-in-a-popular-school-in-bishan/
I won’t comment but I do agree with some people as quoted in the article. -
We are in year 2018 and yet we are still talking about a case which happened back in 2014? Wow, it takes so many years to fine someone $5K?
If nothing else, this incident shows that the probability of being found cheating is extremely low.
$5K to the mum for providing false infor to civil servant and $4K to the Dad for giving false address at NPP. To me, it is cheaper and more convenient than to relocate the whole family to a rented unit for 30months or to be a PV for 2 years.
Like what phttph mentioned earlier, when money can solve a problem, it is no longer a problem.
When the price to pay for cheating is low and the probability of being found out is extremely low, it does not deter parents from cheating. In fact there is a perverse incentive that favors cheating as the alternatives are most costly and requires more efforts. I hope MOE can have a more pro-active approach in detecting such fake registration address cheating incidents (new Smart Nation initiative, anyone?) so as to deter future parents from cheating. -
There are also indirect punishments to the parents and child too. There will be mental stresses to both the parents and child whether they will be jailed during the police investigation. It took many months for the police to investigate and their life style will be affected during this period. It will also impact their careers especially for civil servant. No mood to work or study during the investigation period.
The mental stress and such is much more than money. It is not worth it doing that. -
firstda:
The day when the couple decided to cheat, they should have expected such a punishment should they be caughtThere are also indirect punishments to the parents and child too. There will be mental stresses to both the parents and child whether they will be jailed during the police investigation. It took many months for the police to investigate and their life style will be affected during this period. It will also impact their careers especially for civil servant. No mood to work or study during the investigation period.
The mental stress and such is much more than money. It is not worth it doing that. -
lee_yl:
Recall reading from one of the news article that the VP reported this when the child entered P1, but they didn't transfer the child out pending case being heard in court. A bit curious why the child was allowed to carry on. Perhaps it's cos the parents own the unit at Bishan too, just they didn't stay there. Unless more details available, we can only imagine what went on.We are in year 2018 and yet we are still talking about a case which happened back in 2014? Wow, it takes so many years to fine someone $5K?
If nothing else, this incident shows that the probability of being found cheating is extremely low.
$5K to the mum for providing false infor to civil servant and $4K to the Dad for giving false address at NPP. To me, it is cheaper and more convenient than to relocate the whole family to a rented unit for 30months or to be a PV for 2 years.
Like what phttph mentioned earlier, when money can solve a problem, it is no longer a problem.
When the price to pay for cheating is low and the probability of being found out is extremely low, it does not deter parents from cheating. In fact there is a perverse incentive that favors cheating as the alternatives are most costly and requires more efforts. I hope MOE can have a more pro-active approach in detecting such fake registration address cheating incidents (new Smart Nation initiative, anyone?) so as to deter future parents from cheating.
I would agree that this 9K is likely nothing to the family. I was told before in parts of Europe, if you speed, the fine is based on your income...therefore even the rich also try not to speed (or get caught). If the same were applied, eg fine based on percentage of the family's wealth or income, would there be a lesser inclination towards this route? -
this case happened few years back and 1) it is only mentioned now 2) fined $9K only?
this is ridiculous! if the child is not transferred out, then it’s even more ridiculous.
he/she will feel that it is right to lie and at most get fined. if the child has to be transferred, it is because of his/her parents’ fault. -
One article mentioned that long time ago, the max possible fine was only $1k. And they raised it subsequently. So there is a precedent for increasing the penalty.
Perhaps, in future the penalty calculation should be more than the cheapest 2BR rental x 30 months?
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