Compare RGS vs NYGH

[mommyNg]

Harrychew:

A more appropriate description may be more in tune with the times, because with rise of China, it will be more beneficial in the coming decades to be strong in Chinese language.

They said that (the \"rise\") like 30+ years ago.... :siam:

[lego]

Cloud Cloud:

even their school song is in Chinese.

Should be the same school song (and motto) as nanyang primary if I am not wrong.

[Harrychew]

mommyNg:

Harrychew:

A more appropriate description may be more in tune with the times, because with rise of China, it will be more beneficial in the coming decades to be strong in Chinese language.

They said that (the \"rise\") like 30+ years ago.... :siam:

3 decades ago, a few far sighted folks like LKY says China will rise. The rest laughed and looked down on China's country pumpkins. Many locals students were proud to do poorly in Chinese language. Both HCI and NYGH always had lower PSLE COP than RGS and RI.

Today, China flexes its economic and military muscles. Far fewer local students will laugh at failing Chinese language. HCI and NYGH PSLE COP are higher than RI and RGS.

The trend is very clear.

[Oh My Gosh]

Cut off for NYGH is higher partly because they give affiliation to NYPS student 250 and above, hence end up less slots for rest of other non-DSA students

[mommyNg]

WK11:

quite true.

Does this explain why the NYGH cut-off is higher than RGS?

I remember when i was a student the cut-off for RGS is higher than NYGH...

As far as I can remember, the COP for RGS had always been higher than NYGH, until Mdm Heng left NYPS and went to become P at NYGH (2010). Many P6 NYPS girls then decided to join NYGH. Previously, the top NYPS girls (including those GEPPERS) would choose to go to RGS than NYGH. Such observations were made by the NYGH staff internally (I know because I happened to come across those presentations). As someone else has mentioned in KSP, PSLE COP is in part an indication of a school's popularity. If a school is in higher demand, its COP will go up.

As for the reason why NYGH COP is higher than RGS, it is a combination of factors (besides the above-mentioned):
1) HCL bonus can be included in NYGH but not RGS (although this has always been the case),
2) places taken up by NYPS affiliated girls. Every year, about 50-70 (plus/minus) NYPS girls will be posted to NYGH by affiliation, this means about 50-70 fewer places for those going in by non-affiliation COP,
3) gain popularity due to China's increasing presence and command in the global world (possible, but hard to quantify)

Last year, most schools (e.g., RGS, RI, HCI) COP dropped because they announced that there would be 15% more spaces available for PSLE posting (DSA intake cut from 50% to 35%), we did not know if NYGH also cut down DSA intake. I asked the staff before, but they did not give me a clear response (a bit 含糊). If NYGH did not, this means the number of spaces available for PSLE remained while other schools' (e.g., RGS) increased. Plus last year NYPS did very well in PSLE, this could be one of the \"forces\" behind the higher COP in NYGH.

[mommyNg]

Harrychew:

3 decades ago, a few far sighted folks like LKY says China will rise. The rest laughed and looked down on China's country pumpkins. Many locals students were proud to do poorly in Chinese language. Both HCI and NYGH always had lower PSLE COP than RGS and RI.

Today, China flexes its economic and military muscles. Far fewer local students will laugh at failing Chinese language. HCI and NYGH PSLE COP are higher than RI and RGS.

The trend is very clear.

I was from Hwa Chong. Three decades ago, they talked about China will rise. Yes, at that time, doing well in Chinese is not a big deal, but my friends and I were passionate about Chinese, and were energized by the potential possibility that China will rise, and so will the importance of Chinese. Three decades later, yes, China is doing much better than before, but frankly speaking, I don't see that having a very good command of Chinese added much more value to our professional lives than before. Someone who is not from a SAP school (e.g., with a poorer command of Chinese and less rich experience in Chinese culture) can do just as well if not better. Or rather, a good-enough level of Chinese is sufficient, no need to have a very good command of Chinese. Or maybe I don't mingle with the \"right\" people to see the impact. Sorry for being pessimistic, but I don't really see the clear trend.

[Harrychew]

mommyNg:

I was from Hwa Chong. Three decades ago, they talked about China will rise. Yes, at that time, doing well in Chinese is not a big deal, but my friends and I were passionate about Chinese, and were energized by the potential possibility that China will rise, and so will the importance of Chinese. Three decades later, yes, China is doing much better than before, but frankly speaking, I don't see that having a very good command of Chinese added much more value to our professional lives than before. Someone who is not from a SAP school (e.g., with a poorer command of Chinese and less rich experience in Chinese culture) can do just as well if not better. Or rather, a good-enough level of Chinese is sufficient, no need to have a very good command of Chinese. Or maybe I don't mingle with the \"right\" people to see the impact. Sorry for being pessimistic, but I don't really see the clear trend.

Trend that I referred to is per this topic, i.e. that China's rise has influenced sec school choice amongst students.

As to whether a good command of Chinese will help people in their future careers and life ... let's put it this way, people poor in English language have experienced all forms of discrimination in Singapore and in all western countries. Having a good command of English can only get you through the door, and you still need to perform. However, a poor command of English means you are outside looking in.

[phtthp]

someone asked before, an FAQ question:

If your girl has offers both from RGS and NYGH, which will you choose ?

Both are academically driven Secondary schools.

However, choose NYGH safer !

because in the event if one really cannot cope with rigorous IP curriculum, perhaps with heavy Cca commitment or whatever other reasons they faced : at least NYGH still open up an \"on-demand\" O-level class, to help these girls, as much as the school can.

And, after sitting O-level :-
these girls have a choice, to either proceed to join an A-level Junior College (assuming their L1R5 score fall below maximum 20 points), or move to a Polyclinic.

Here is 2016 batch of GCE \"O-level\" class described ( one such class formed).
This class consist around 20+ girls, inside Nanyang Girls' High :-

https://www.nygh.edu.sg/news/2016-o-level-results


It is safer to have a safety-net catch, than no (zero) net at all, to help such affected girls, when they are crying for help academically.

Just as PSLE leaving certificate represent the end of a 6-year Primary school education, likewise / similarly, having (possessing) a GCE O-level certificate, by being enabled or given a last chance by NYGH to sit for the GCE O-level exam, at least it represents the proper ending of a 4-year Secondary school education received.


more sharing, from a parent (lego) :-
https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=5831&start=1760

Another IP SAP Secondary school : Dunman High -
also have the same scenario, as Nanyang Girls' High.
That is, Dunman High (IP) also open one such O-level class, to help similarly affected students.


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In contrast, RGS Girls' Secondary never open any \"on-demand\" O-level class, to help RGS girls, if anyone struggle inside IP.

In the event if RGS student cannot cope, by end of Sec 4 :-
fail the year-end Sec 4 Promotional exam to move up into Year 5 (Raffles Institution), these girls will be asked to exit RGS eventually. Very risky, because there isn't any O-level class opened, to help them.

[mommyNg]

For RGS, according to someone who attended a talk by the principal, they work closely with parents and students to provide academic support (including consultations, remedial, study block, etc). They don’t have O level class, but the number of students who got retained for the whole school is 2 or fewer. They worked to make sure that all students who progress to Y5 in RI are ready for the A level curriculum.


I’m not too sure I agree the one with safety net is a better choice. I think it really depends on the fit of the child with the school curriculum, strengths, culture, etc. No point struggling in an O level class and endure all the stress and stuff just to be “safe”.

[678Yess]

proton:

sembgal:

Which school provides a more holistic learning opportunity?

NYGH girls have more programmes related to Chinese culture. Like chinese dance, chinese calligraph and etc.

For chinese girls, I guess it is kind of more holistic?

NYGH, should be a well sort after school based on its high enrollment demand yearly. Its T score shows how popular the school is. However, Its T score can not be use to compare directly with RGS, RI, HCi, Dumman High as NYGH still take in student based on affiliation.

NYGH is a SAP school like Dunman High, HCI has the advantages and disadvantages of being a SAP school. We know the advantages of SAP school. However, tts advantages can become its disadvantages,. For example, being a SAP school, It has the responsibility to be more Chinese focus in its program. As a result, it would have lost time or opportunities to expose the students to have more cross cultural students life. For example, a NYGH student will never have a chance to work and learn with children from various ethnic background because of its SAP school nature which creates single homogeneous environment.

RGS, RI, HCI, CAT High, Dumman High, NYGH...etc Soon, they will be in the same group kind of school when MOE take away the T score...
When you are thinking about choosing one, think about how the thing are being done or decision being made in the school by talking to the parents from the school....