NUS / NTU medicine application 2018/2019
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TTC:
No need insider info actually. It's shared in Parliament recently:) 900,000 senior citizens in 2030. You cannot get senior citizens to hop from specialists to specialists.This is very true. An insider told me that MOH will be very restrictive in granting specialist license from now on. They want new doctors to take care of the old folks instead in mainly public hospitals.
This batch will finish their 11 years in 2030, just in time to catch the 1 in 3 above 65 yrs old boom. In the bond, MOH statea that it has every right to deploy you anywhere they need. Those who are motivated by money and good work life balance by becoming a specialist may be disappointed later. Told DS to think carefully.
https://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_web/home/pressRoom/Parliamentary_QA/2017/doctors-in-singapore.html
[quote]With an ageing population, the type of disciplines in demand will shift towards the more generalist disciplines, such as Family Medicine, Internal Medicine and Geriatric Medicine. MOH has shared with medical students and junior doctors through dialogue sessions and medical residency briefing sessions on this shift. We will continue to raise awareness of the changing postgraduate training needs amongst junior doctors and medical students.[/quote]https://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_web/home/pressRoom/Parliamentary_QA/2017/supporting-and-promoting-generalist-medicine.html
https://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_web/home/pressRoom/Parliamentary_QA/2017/strengthening-physicians-fro-generalist-roles.html
But that said, it's not that specialist training/placements will vanish overnight. The sector will still need specialists (esp for med tourism); just that over the past 7 years, too many specialists have been churned out under that fast-track residency program as mentioned by Chee Hong Tat
All my doc friends and cousins are specialists. Only 1 relative in geriatric med which can get rather mundane attending to the elderly in community hospitals (psst, this is one who's still single).
Those friends of mine earning big money in pte clinics are all 2-Gen docs, meaning their parent(s) are also docs who had paved the way for them. You need good connections. Otherwise, you'll just be a registrar, or if good / patient enough, a consultant/senior consultant seeing patients in public hospitals on shifts.
Med course is an arduous journey. You'll need to keep studying and taking tough tests. Pittance at first, but if you get into the 'right' track, you shall taste the reward a decade or more later. And this profession is recession-proof. Just saying... -
Zeit:
I have friends in pte practice who got there without parents' or connections' help. Some, I'm glad to say, have chosen to stay in public hospitals because they feel that it's more rewarding in ways other than earnings. They don't earn very little by most people's standards, although less than those in pte practice. It will be a sad day if all doctors are looking to go into pte practice for the money.Those friends of mine earning big money in pte clinics are all 2-Gen docs, meaning their parent(s) are also docs who had paved the way for them. You need good connections. Otherwise, you'll just be a registrar, or if good / patient enough, a consultant/senior consultant seeing patients in public hospitals on shifts.
Med course is an arduous journey. You'll need to keep studying and taking tough tests. Pittance at first, but if you get into the 'right' track, you shall taste the reward a decade or more later. And this profession is recession-proof. Just saying... -
slmkhoo:
By joining one of the med groups or opening of own clinics? I'm talking about setting up own specialist clinic(s) or chain, not opening own GP clinic in the heartlands or working for the big med groups. Some connections within the same 'food chain' will undoubtedly be advantageous in terms of growing your client base vz starting up from scratch, which isn't remotely impossible like what your friends had achieved.
I have friends in pte practice who got there without parents' or connections' help. Some, I'm glad to say, have chosen to stay in public hospitals because they feel that it's more rewarding in ways other than earnings. They don't earn very little by most people's standards, although less than those in pte practice. It will be a sad day if all doctors are looking to go into pte practice for the money.
Sorry, your friends are from my friends' doc parents' generation: 50-60+?
Fewer specialists last time also.
In the first place, you can't be a mercenary like a banker if you're in this noble profession. But we also shouldn't rule out the fact there're a small no. of pragmatists who are expecting returns of sorts (prosperity or work-life balance) after investing a decade studying, taking multiple tests, working 60-80hr per week in the early years. Like this doc in another forum, I see nothing wrong in considering the bread & butter issues.
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It is true that more are staying put in public practice - This is cos 3-4 years ago, MOH worked with the public healthcare institutions to review public doc's salaries. The new pay framework provides better recognition of public sector doctors. They will also benefit from several training & development opportunities. Work environment has also improved greatly: shorter rotating shifts, time for structured learning, more streamlined admin workload, I understand... -
Zeit:
The MO’s pay is not much for the hardship and effort which they go through. Especially doctor work in the full call. It could be more than 24 hours. Being a doctor is just the passion for community and want people to have their better life if they have some illness. I hope MOH can revise the doctor’s pay in the near future.
It is true that more are staying put in public practice - This is cos 3-4 years ago, MOH worked with the public healthcare institutions to review public doc's salaries. The new pay framework provides better recognition of public sector doctors. They will also benefit from several training & development opportunities. Work environment has also improved greatly: shorter rotating shifts, time for structured learning, more streamlined admin workload, I understand... -
gardenia64:
I would rather they reduce the working hours, even if it means less pay. The hours they have to work are punishing, and also dangerous for patients, not to mention very bad for family and social life. It's improved since 30+ yrs ago, but it is still quite bad.
The MO’s pay is not much for the hardship and effort which they go through. Especially doctor work in the full call. It could be more than 24 hours. Being a doctor is just the passion for community and want people to have their better life if they have some illness. I hope MOH can revise the doctor’s pay in the near future.Zeit:
It is true that more are staying put in public practice - This is cos 3-4 years ago, MOH worked with the public healthcare institutions to review public doc's salaries. The new pay framework provides better recognition of public sector doctors. They will also benefit from several training & development opportunities. Work environment has also improved greatly: shorter rotating shifts, time for structured learning, more streamlined admin workload, I understand... -
Sorry for posting here as I could not find another thread for this. Someone was asking which polytechnic course might lead to an eventual medicine /dentistry course at NUS or NTU. Below are some examples.
http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore/tps-veterinary-diploma-gave-nus-medical-student-hands-training
http://www.tp.edu.sg/schools/asc/showcase/Our-Graduates/veterinary-technology-graduate-accepted-into-dentistry-at-nus
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/11-poly-grads-win-places-in-local-medical-schools-this-year
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/first-poly-pair-at-nus-med-school-set-to-be-specialists
This page provides a good overview of what poly course will lead to which Uni course in local university:
http://www.nus.edu.sg/oam/apply/local/poly/nyp/nanyang.html -
slmkhoo:
I would rather they reduce the working hours, even if it means less pay. The hours they have to work are punishing, and also dangerous for patients, not to mention very bad for family and social life. It's improved since 30+ yrs ago, but it is still quite bad.[/quote]social life is reduced. Hope Hospitial can organize the party to let those young doc knows each other better.
The MO’s pay is not much for the hardship and effort which they go through. Especially doctor work in the full call. It could be more than 24 hours. Being a doctor is just the passion for community and want people to have their better life if they have some illness. I hope MOH can revise the doctor’s pay in the near future.gardenia64:
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It is true that more are staying put in public practice - This is cos 3-4 years ago, MOH worked with the public healthcare institutions to review public doc's salaries. The new pay framework provides better recognition of public sector doctors. They will also benefit from several training & development opportunities. Work environment has also improved greatly: shorter rotating shifts, time for structured learning, more streamlined admin workload, I understand... -
gardenia64:
Hi gardenia64,
social life is reduced. Hope Hospitial can organize the party to let those young doc knows each other better.
Did your boy receive offer from NUS / NTU Med ? Do you know when will the boys be 'disrupted' from NS if they have accepted NUS / NTU offers to pursue Med ? Is deferment from NS automatically given to all male Med students or approved on case-by-case basis ?
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phtthp:
Who / Where did you hear this from ??
heard YLL prefer to select boys over girls : as some girls became homemaker after give birth to kids, whereas men are breadwinner of the family.
Understand that admission is based purely on MERIT, and more girls have been admitted to YLL SoM in recent years. -
iFirefly:
All the boys will go to nus/ntu medicine schools for study as long as they accept the offers from medicine school. Ns will continue after they are MO officer.
Hi gardenia64,gardenia64:
social life is reduced. Hope Hospitial can organize the party to let those young doc knows each other better.
Did your boy receive offer from NUS / NTU Med ? Do you know when will the boys be 'disrupted' from NS if they have accepted NUS / NTU offers to pursue Med ? Is deferment from NS automatically given to all male Med students or approved on case-by-case basis ?
Thanks..
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