NUS / NTU medicine application 2018/2019
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Zeit:
Do they actually get to spend a term at Imperial College, as 'advertised'?
Not sure if all do, but as I said, at least one is getting some time there, though I don't know the duration. His mother told me that she's visiting him there later this year. -
petitemum:
heard YLL prefer to select boys over girls : as some girls became homemaker after give birth to kids, whereas men are breadwinner of the family.T compare YLL and LKC, in the case of ds 2 years back, we considered the following:
1. fees and bursaries- LKC is way more expensive than YLL but it provides more bursaries than YLL.
2.distance- YLL is nearer and more convenient.
3. hostel- LKC students are encouraged to stay in the hostel.
4.teaching style-YLL adopts traditional lectures and tutorial style while LKC adopts team based learning.
5.male and female ratio: yes, we actually considered this.
YLL has more girls while LKC has many more boys.
6. track record- no doubt YLL has a long history, but the Imperial College London has a long history too and has a worldwide reputation. LKC MBBS cert would bear both NTU and Imperial logo, if it matters.
7.professors- LKC has strong team support from London. There are professors from India too. -
Zeit:
[quote]Young doctors were also urged not to be in medicine for \"prestige, financial rewards or fame\" and \"not seek to be a super-specialist when there is limited demand... or choose a speciality primarily because it gives us a good work-life balance\".Note that the increase in no of med places in both med schools (YLL, LKC) has to do with our ageing population, i.e. an increased need for clinical manpower in the fields of family medicine, geriatric medicine, internal medicine, palliative care, etc.
MOH has called for more doctors with “broad and general professional capabilities” to serve an ageing Singapore, and the deans of 3 med schools (incl Duke) have stressed the importance of training more \"generalist\" doctors.
More 'generalists' are expected to be churned from future pools, cos we appear to have too many 'specialist' doctors. 'Generalists' are needed to provide holistic treatment to elderly patients with multiple health issues, so junior doctors do take note of that career track.
[quote]Steps have already been taken to encourage more young doctors to become generalists. This year, one in five residency places offered was for family medicine, advanced internal medicine or geriatrics, according to MOH.
This is an increase from 2013, when the number of residency openings in these specialities made up only 12 per cent of the total.
Doctors in these disciplines are considered generalists because they do not focus on a single organ or body part. Their emphasis is on treating patients as a whole
Prof Chen yesterday acknowledged that \"many doctors who enter medical school are actually ambitious. They want to do prestigious disciplines... The need currently is that of general medical care. [/quote]https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/moh-reviews-doctors-training-to-become-specialists
https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/letters-in-print/all-students-of-nus-medical-school-get-geriatrics-training
https://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/too-many-specialist-doctors-and-too-few-who-can-see-the-big-picture
https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/big-read-specialists-or-gps-training-review-get-mix-right-just-what-doctor-ordered[/quote]This is very true. An insider told me that MOH will be very restrictive in granting specialist license from now on. They want new doctors to take care of the old folks instead in mainly public hospitals.
This batch will finish their 11 years in 2030, just in time to catch the 1 in 3 above 65 yrs old boom. In the bond, MOH statea that it has every right to deploy you anywhere they need. Those who are motivated by money and good work life balance by becoming a specialist may be disappointed later. Told DS to think carefully. -
What is the success rate of appeal to get into dentistry course? What is the reason that unsuccessful candidate cannot re-apply for dentistry course again? How about medicine? Thanks.
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ycpang:
Purely statistic:Samuel002:
[quote=\"ycpang\"]Ok just trying to make some assumptions:
NTU has 138 vacancies. Assuming 50% of them have double offers from both NTU and NUS = 70.
Therefore there will be 70 slots available for those on waitlist. Sounds logical?
NUS selects 322 out of 980. Chances is 33%
NTU selects 138 out of 398. Chances is 34%
Both schools combined: 460 out of 980 ( very likely those 398 applied for NTU also applied for NUS). So chances is 47% if the student applied for both schools.
Round 1 - about 33% got offered based on individual school. There is a balance of 14% slots to be filled in round 2.
14% out of 460 = 65 slots available on waitlist. This is close to 70 slots as per my earlier estimation. In fact, if dentistry is included ( since those who applied dentistry are likely to apply to med as well), the chances of one gets into one of the three faculties is about 50%.[/quote]More analysis:
My guess is that out of the 70 slots for round 2, 50 slots will be available from NTU and 20 from NUS.
Only NTU will know how long is their waitlist but if I were NTU, I will put 50% of the cohort size (70) to a max. of 100 on waitlist. Based on these assumptions, the success rate for those on waitlist will then be 50% (50/100) to 71% (50/70) for NTU.
For NUS, the success rate calculation will then be 20/(980-302-138) = 3.7%~5%.
All the best to those who are waiting. -
TTC:
No need insider info actually. It's shared in Parliament recently:) 900,000 senior citizens in 2030. You cannot get senior citizens to hop from specialists to specialists.This is very true. An insider told me that MOH will be very restrictive in granting specialist license from now on. They want new doctors to take care of the old folks instead in mainly public hospitals.
This batch will finish their 11 years in 2030, just in time to catch the 1 in 3 above 65 yrs old boom. In the bond, MOH statea that it has every right to deploy you anywhere they need. Those who are motivated by money and good work life balance by becoming a specialist may be disappointed later. Told DS to think carefully.
https://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_web/home/pressRoom/Parliamentary_QA/2017/doctors-in-singapore.html
[quote]With an ageing population, the type of disciplines in demand will shift towards the more generalist disciplines, such as Family Medicine, Internal Medicine and Geriatric Medicine. MOH has shared with medical students and junior doctors through dialogue sessions and medical residency briefing sessions on this shift. We will continue to raise awareness of the changing postgraduate training needs amongst junior doctors and medical students.[/quote]https://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_web/home/pressRoom/Parliamentary_QA/2017/supporting-and-promoting-generalist-medicine.html
https://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_web/home/pressRoom/Parliamentary_QA/2017/strengthening-physicians-fro-generalist-roles.html
But that said, it's not that specialist training/placements will vanish overnight. The sector will still need specialists (esp for med tourism); just that over the past 7 years, too many specialists have been churned out under that fast-track residency program as mentioned by Chee Hong Tat
All my doc friends and cousins are specialists. Only 1 relative in geriatric med which can get rather mundane attending to the elderly in community hospitals (psst, this is one who's still single).
Those friends of mine earning big money in pte clinics are all 2-Gen docs, meaning their parent(s) are also docs who had paved the way for them. You need good connections. Otherwise, you'll just be a registrar, or if good / patient enough, a consultant/senior consultant seeing patients in public hospitals on shifts.
Med course is an arduous journey. You'll need to keep studying and taking tough tests. Pittance at first, but if you get into the 'right' track, you shall taste the reward a decade or more later. And this profession is recession-proof. Just saying... -
Zeit:
I have friends in pte practice who got there without parents' or connections' help. Some, I'm glad to say, have chosen to stay in public hospitals because they feel that it's more rewarding in ways other than earnings. They don't earn very little by most people's standards, although less than those in pte practice. It will be a sad day if all doctors are looking to go into pte practice for the money.Those friends of mine earning big money in pte clinics are all 2-Gen docs, meaning their parent(s) are also docs who had paved the way for them. You need good connections. Otherwise, you'll just be a registrar, or if good / patient enough, a consultant/senior consultant seeing patients in public hospitals on shifts.
Med course is an arduous journey. You'll need to keep studying and taking tough tests. Pittance at first, but if you get into the 'right' track, you shall taste the reward a decade or more later. And this profession is recession-proof. Just saying... -
slmkhoo:
By joining one of the med groups or opening of own clinics? I'm talking about setting up own specialist clinic(s) or chain, not opening own GP clinic in the heartlands or working for the big med groups. Some connections within the same 'food chain' will undoubtedly be advantageous in terms of growing your client base vz starting up from scratch, which isn't remotely impossible like what your friends had achieved.
I have friends in pte practice who got there without parents' or connections' help. Some, I'm glad to say, have chosen to stay in public hospitals because they feel that it's more rewarding in ways other than earnings. They don't earn very little by most people's standards, although less than those in pte practice. It will be a sad day if all doctors are looking to go into pte practice for the money.
Sorry, your friends are from my friends' doc parents' generation: 50-60+?
Fewer specialists last time also.
In the first place, you can't be a mercenary like a banker if you're in this noble profession. But we also shouldn't rule out the fact there're a small no. of pragmatists who are expecting returns of sorts (prosperity or work-life balance) after investing a decade studying, taking multiple tests, working 60-80hr per week in the early years. Like this doc in another forum, I see nothing wrong in considering the bread & butter issues.
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It is true that more are staying put in public practice - This is cos 3-4 years ago, MOH worked with the public healthcare institutions to review public doc's salaries. The new pay framework provides better recognition of public sector doctors. They will also benefit from several training & development opportunities. Work environment has also improved greatly: shorter rotating shifts, time for structured learning, more streamlined admin workload, I understand... -
Zeit:
The MO’s pay is not much for the hardship and effort which they go through. Especially doctor work in the full call. It could be more than 24 hours. Being a doctor is just the passion for community and want people to have their better life if they have some illness. I hope MOH can revise the doctor’s pay in the near future.
It is true that more are staying put in public practice - This is cos 3-4 years ago, MOH worked with the public healthcare institutions to review public doc's salaries. The new pay framework provides better recognition of public sector doctors. They will also benefit from several training & development opportunities. Work environment has also improved greatly: shorter rotating shifts, time for structured learning, more streamlined admin workload, I understand... -
gardenia64:
I would rather they reduce the working hours, even if it means less pay. The hours they have to work are punishing, and also dangerous for patients, not to mention very bad for family and social life. It's improved since 30+ yrs ago, but it is still quite bad.
The MO’s pay is not much for the hardship and effort which they go through. Especially doctor work in the full call. It could be more than 24 hours. Being a doctor is just the passion for community and want people to have their better life if they have some illness. I hope MOH can revise the doctor’s pay in the near future.Zeit:
It is true that more are staying put in public practice - This is cos 3-4 years ago, MOH worked with the public healthcare institutions to review public doc's salaries. The new pay framework provides better recognition of public sector doctors. They will also benefit from several training & development opportunities. Work environment has also improved greatly: shorter rotating shifts, time for structured learning, more streamlined admin workload, I understand...
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