Compare RGS vs NYGH

[Bochapmum3]

MerlionInGermany:

This one?



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Yep! Thanks, may I know where this is extracted from? Would be interesting to see this year’s comparison between the affiliated and non affiliated scores

[mommyNg]

iRabbit:

Thanks for the HCI link, mommyNg. I know that for RI boys to remain in IP from Y3 onwards, their GPA must be > 2.4. Since the range for GPA 2.4 is 55-59%, getting an avg of 60% per subject is a safe bet for promotion (theoretically can be lower as only the best 2 of the 3 humanities subjects are taken for GPA calculation). From Y1 to Y2, a GPA of only 2.0 (50%) is required.

From your link, HCI seems to impose a more stringent promotion criterion to remain in IP from Y3 onwards, requiring MSG <= 3 which equates to an avg 65% per subject. However Y1 to Y2 only requires MSG of 6 (50%) while Y2 to Y3 MSG of 4 (60%). So for HCI boys, promotion is more stringent by Y3.

Do you know whether for HCI MSG, can one choose best x of y subjects (like in RI GPA), or are all subjects included in the MSG calculation?

According to the website, HCI Academic MSG (placement criterion) = mean subject grade of all academic subjects except Oral Communications and Project Work. Also, if you look at the table carefully, you will notice that although from Y2 to Y3 the required MSG for promotion = 4, you will only remain in IP class if you get a MSG of 3 or less, otherwise you'll be placed in the Structured IP class.

[iRabbit]

mommyNg:

iRabbit:

Thanks for the HCI link, mommyNg. I know that for RI boys to remain in IP from Y3 onwards, their GPA must be > 2.4. Since the range for GPA 2.4 is 55-59%, getting an avg of 60% per subject is a safe bet for promotion (theoretically can be lower as only the best 2 of the 3 humanities subjects are taken for GPA calculation). From Y1 to Y2, a GPA of only 2.0 (50%) is required.

From your link, HCI seems to impose a more stringent promotion criterion to remain in IP from Y3 onwards, requiring MSG <= 3 which equates to an avg 65% per subject. However Y1 to Y2 only requires MSG of 6 (50%) while Y2 to Y3 MSG of 4 (60%). So for HCI boys, promotion is more stringent by Y3.

Do you know whether for HCI MSG, can one choose best x of y subjects (like in RI GPA), or are all subjects included in the MSG calculation?

According to the website, HCI Academic MSG (placement criterion) = mean subject grade of all academic subjects except Oral Communications and Project Work. Also, if you look at the table carefully, you will notice that although from Y2 to Y3 the required MSG for promotion = 4, you will only remain in IP class if you get a MSG of 3 or less, otherwise you'll be placed in the Structured IP class.

Oh, so to remain in pure IP, one also needs MSG <= 3 (65%) in Y2, and it’s for all subjects. Personally I feel that it’s easier to achieve MSG <= 3 in Y3 due to the subject combi of double math-triple Sci that most boys would take, and are good at.

[mommyNg]

iRabbit:

Oh, so to remain in pure IP, one also needs MSG <= 3 (65%) in Y2, and it’s for all subjects. Personally I feel that it’s easier to achieve MSG <= 3 in Y3 due to the subject combi of double math-triple Sci that most boys would take, and are good at.

The boys in SIP do have the opportunity to move back to IP class at the end of Y3 if they achieve MSG <= 3 (and vice versa if they don’t).

[ngl2010]

phtthp:

What is year-end Promotional criteria like, for RI (JC1) students moving up into RI (JC2) ? Is it very tough ?

Here is the school’s briefing slide on promotional criteria this year. Last year I heard about 10+ students (out of 1200 students) weren’t promoted. I haven’t heard anything about this year. DS also doesn’t know anybody that could not be promoted this year.


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[PoopyBear]

php:

phtthp:

[quote=\"mommyNg\"]here's the analysis based on personal stories, experiences and school P's sharing:


Approximate number of students not able to move to their respective IP JCs (NYGH -> HCI, RGS -> RI) per cohort each year:

NYGH- 23-25 (O level class) + 0-2 (exit/repeat) + 10-15 (Sec 4 IP fail to meet promotion criteria to HCI) = 33-42
RGS- 0-2 (exit/repeat)


Note1 on promotion criteria:
NYGH - to remain IP for Sec 1 to 3 = 60-64 (msg4); for Sec 4 to JC = 65-69 (msg3); the best L1R5 O level score from 2016 O level class was 15 (before discount from HCL/CCA)
RGS - for Sec 1-4 to JC = 50 (GPA 2.0)

Note2 on subject selection:
NYGH - to do triple science in Sec 3, need min 65-70 in Sec 2 (msg3); to continue to take at least 2 sciences in Sec 4, need min 60-64 in Sec 3 (msg4) otherwise can only take 1 science (chemistry)
RGS - no requirement, free to chooose as long as pass (50)

Both schools can be highly stressful: NYGH -> worry about whether able to meet min msg every year, RGS -> worry about whether able to cope in JC? How do the IP girls perform at A levels?

One should consider the fit of the child with the school's programmes and culture when choosing Sec schools, rather than the perception of how \"safe\" the schools seems to be
!

wah ! Now we understand why there is such a big difference in the numbers, between RGS vs. NYGH ( IP).


I feel that the Promotional criteria for NYGH (at end of Year 1 to Year 4), is too strict, demanding.
60 to 65 marks required (Y1 to Y4), and 65 to 70 marks required at end of Y4, are challenging, tall order ! If u mention 60 marks required for Promotional clearance, 60 is still ok, acceptable, because we are talking about Secondary level, in IP program, with 8 or 9 subjects to manage.


For RGS girls who failed Y4 (IP) Promotional exam, do they get \"auto-pushed\" up, into RI JC (1) ?


What is year-end Promotional criteria like, for RI (JC1) students moving up into RI (JC2) ? Is it very tough ?


How is Hwa Chong year-end Promotional criteria like, for Hwa Chong (JC1) pupils, moving up into Hwa Chong (JC2) ? Even more demanding, than that of RI ?

mommyNg, you are right ! I take back my words earlier that, safer to choose NYGH because of the presence of on-demand O-level track, to fall back upon. With such demanding Promotional criteria, from Y1 to Y4 (IP) in NYGH : not safe. In fact, after you showed us the figures, scary. But we truly appreciated the figures & your effort, which u had shown us. Now, we understand why it is so stressful, studying inside the Big 5 (plus NUS High, included too)

Actually, studying in an IP school is stressful, no matter which IP school one join. But this NYGH, exceptionally stressful ...

Just for info, there is strictly no bargaining if the girl can't meet the promotion criteria in NYGH ...
For e.g. at the end of Y2, if the girl obtains MSG 4.01 .... she will go to SIP programme i.e. O level track ... But if she performs well in Y3, she can go back to IP track ...[/quote]NY gals that take 9 or more subjects usually drop weaker subjects in S4 to boost MSG. Dropping is not easy but not impossible. Some transfer (rather than to NY O track) and some for poly. Without adding MOE SM1 entering at S3 and transfer-in (S1/S2/3), original NY S1 to HCI Y5 success rate maybe around 85-88%? RGS a better option as it allows gals to explore more outside of classroom?

[mommyNg]

PoopyBear:

NY gals that take 9 or more subjects usually drop weaker subjects in S4 to boost MSG. Dropping is not easy but not impossible. Some transfer (rather than to NY O track) and some for poly. Without adding MOE SM1 entering at S3 and transfer-in (S1/S2/3), original NY S1 to HCI Y5 success rate maybe around 85-88%? RGS a better option as it allows gals to explore more outside of classroom?

Actually the school will ask the gals to start dropping subjects at the end of Y2 leading to Y3, and of course also at the end of Y3 leading to Y4, if they did not meet or borderline meeting MSG (like you said, to \"boost\" MSG).

[phtthp]

Hi All,


What is the Promotional criteria like for RGS (IP), from end of Y1 until end of Y4 into RI (JC1 or Year 5) ?

[mommyNg]

phtthp:

Hi All,


What is the Promotional criteria like for RGS (IP), from end of Y1 until end of Y4 into RI (JC1 or Year 5) ?

Minimum of GPA 2.0

[jenao]

mommyNg:

phtthp:

correct.


Compare these two IP Girls' schools : Nanyang Girls' High is a much, safer IP school to go to, due to existence of an O-level track to fall back upon, during emergency crisis.

At RGS, if unable to meet promotion criteria up into Year 5 (RI), can repeat one year or else exit.

Perhaps, if your end goal is to have a \"safety net\" to stay in the secondary school for the whole 4 years. If your end goal is to end up in the respective IP JCs, here's the analysis based on personal stories, experiences and school P's sharing:

Approximate number of students not able to move to their respective IP JCs (NYGH -> HCI, RGS -> RI) per cohort each year:

NYGH- 23-25 (O level class) + 0-2 (exit/repeat) + 10-15 (Sec 4 IP fail to meet promotion criteria to HCI) = 33-42
RGS- 0-2 (exit/repeat)


Note1 on promotion criteria:
NYGH - to remain IP for Sec 1 to 3 = 60-64 (msg4); for Sec 4 to JC = 65-69 (msg3); the best L1R5 O level score from 2016 O level class was 15 (before discount from HCL/CCA)
RGS - for Sec 1-4 to JC = 50 (GPA 2.0)

Note2 on subject selection:
NYGH - to do triple science in Sec 3, need min 65-70 in Sec 2 (msg3); to continue to take at least 2 sciences in Sec 4, need min 60-64 in Sec 3 (msg4) otherwise can only take 1 science (chemistry)
RGS - no requirement, free to chooose as long as pass (50)

Both schools can be highly stressful: NYGH -> worry about whether able to meet min msg every year, RGS -> worry about whether able to cope in JC? How do the IP girls perform at A levels?

One should consider the fit of the child with the school's programmes and culture when choosing Sec schools, rather than the perception of how \"safe\" the schools seems to be

*caveat: the above numbers were as accurate as what was known at the time I heard it, the actual numbers may vary and change depending on cohort and/or new school policies. So don't :torchme: me for it!

Thank you for sharing this MommyNg. Very good info to know. It seems that the promotion criteria to JC for NYGH is very strict and these are internal criteria to promote to JC1, resulting in about 30-40 students not making it every year. But what I dont understand is why does NYGH set such a high internal promotion criteria above 65 and not want to ensure that more of the students can be promoted to JC like the case of RGS? Am I missing something? Sorry, if this is silly question, just very perplexed.