Compare RGS vs NYGH

[lee_yl]

phtthp:

If your daughter is caught in such a situation, struggling inside the IP curriculum, which is wiser ?

To let your poor girl continue remain inside IP course all the way to A-level, harm her psychologically on the verge of mental break-down, emotionally fearful of clearing each year’s Promotional exam, mentally drained (exhausted), turn her into a nervous wreck, let her continue feel demoralized in her up-hill struggle, end up doing badly (poorly) at A-level (final end-point), cannot even enter those university faculty that she ever dreamed of entering before, and eventually graduate with only a PSLE certificate ?

Or

To help her restore confidence, graduate with a proper O-level certificate from the SIP programme, and from there make new plans to move on forward to some other alternative path ?

I will pull her out halfway and send her overseas. Of cos I will tell the whole world that she is doing fine, just that we felt that going overseas is an easier route to get into a coveted overseas Uni. :evil:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/the-shame-of-dropping-out-of-the-integrated-programme

[phtthp]

lee_yl:

Yeah! It’s each school’s perogative to set their own promotional criteria. So long as everything is transparent and applied consistently across the board without fear or favour, there’s nothing to complain about. We just need to be informed and supervise the kids to work hard. Even for my DD1’s IP school, their promotional criteria for year 1 is min overall of 60% with an additional condition that Lang & Arts must be above 60%.


If the schools recognise early that some students really can’t meet the academic rigour, then channelling them to the O-level route may not necessarily be a bad thing after all. After all, every kid develops at a different pace.

I believe the UAS for both HCI (JC) and RI (JC) for the 2017 (last year) A-level batch should only have minimal difference? Both schools are equally good.

From my own personal experience, when I chose secondary schools for my two kids, I didn’t even know the details of the promotional criteria, I just consider more important things (to me) like school culture, environment, curriculum and programs, teachers’ quality and a qualitative assessment whether my child will be a good fit in their respective new schools. Whatever the school’s promotional criteria, I just play by the rules.

When come to choosing Secondary schools, knowing what kind of school culture, environment, curriculum.etc, as what u mentioned, is only the basic fundamental groundwork checked. However, these not enough, insufficient. One should also do further homework, find out how each year's Promotional criteria, is like ? heard of Chinese saying, \"yong bei er lai ?\"

give u an analogy, say eg, check into a hotel, overseas, in a foreign land. When u open the door, step into a hotel room, may see a gorgeous, beautiful dining or sleeping area. However, something far more important is, u must remember to also go and find, \"Where is the fire-exit escape route ?\". In the event of a fire, where the flames keep devour, destroy everything, as the licking flames go higher and higher up the storey (level), one cannot possibly take a lift down, because trapped inside the lift. Saw the movie, \"Towering Inferno ?\" So how to escape, in the event of a fire emergency break-out ?

Which situation is better ? to go and find out first where is the fire escape route, or in the event of really a fire break out, start to scream and panic and start digging for a torch-light in the dark, frantically trying to find the escape road ?

Same thing, when one enter an IP school, must go and find out : how to escape ?
In the case of NYGH, the escape comes in the form of a SIP programme, in case emergency : cannot cope, inside IP.


Future batches of IP-seeking candidates, targeting (intend) to study in other IP schools like
(National Junior College, Temasek Junior College, Catholic High, SCGS, St Nick, ACSI, MGS, SJI, Victoria, Cedar, Dunman High, River Valley High, NUS High) IP, esp. those taking 2019 PSLE candidates, pls do yourself a favor, find out in detail what is the Promotional Criterial like each year, from Sec 1 to Year 5 ? After u had checked thoroughly the detail, u remain confident of taking up the challenging IP program, then go for it. Check this out, even before start to accept DSA offer, binding yourself down to the IP contract, for next 6 years.


Below article describe the constant pressure and competition, as typical challenges faced by students, from the rigorous IP program.

ln IP, group work and projects assignment determine a certain big weightage (proportion) towards your continuous GPA / MSG score. This means that your results also dependent upon how reliable (or un-reliable) your team members you working with are, and there’s constant competition.

At so young an early age of 13 years old (Secondary 1), not all IP students like or adapt well to Projects-oriented style of studying (learning), or towards university type of “Lecture-Tutorial” studying, or towards \"book your own personal consultation time periods with individual subject Tr, to clarify all your doubts & problems that you faced or encounter\" very independent way of studying expected. .


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[pirate]

phtthp:

Now, no more 2 pointers, had became history of the past.

After MOE had implemented the new change of merging (reducing / cut down) of 8 Junior Colleges into 4, noticed that the COP admission for JAE students, at both (RI and Hwa Chong) Junior Colleges had changed from 3 points (in the past) to 5 points, for this year 2018 most recent JAE JC1 batch admitted in ?

Oh snap! You mean nowadays L1R5 of 9 minus 4 (Ok, ok. Make it 8 minus 4 to be safe) can get into R and H JCs? Then 打到你死我活 to get into and survive R and H schools' IP program for what?

[phtthp]

Yes, 5 pointers can enter RI and Hwa Chong, wef 2018 JC1 batch students, after Moe had merged (collapsed) 8 Junior Colleges, into 4.


There is a very big pool, ready supply of 5 pointers around, from JAE students to enter JC1, looking for vacancies.

Hwa Chong Junior College policy : In NYGH IP curriculum, if one cannot meet (sustain) 65 percent aggregate, start shifting out IP students (regardless of whether enter by DSA, or by T-score) to SIP (Structured IP, on-demand O level course), get ready to exit IP.


https://sis.moe.gov.sg/SchoolDetails.aspx?schoolCode=0806

[Nycity]

Hi,


Seems like rgs is a better choice for dd to aim in 2020. Will the ranking change since it overtook nygh in terms of cop?

[Wanderer1231]

Well, NYGH might still rise back to the top spot, you never know. But is it true that RGS’s promotion criteria is 50%? That’s a huge difference from NYGH’s 65%. Maybe RGS sets harder papers…?

[AnneY]

https://www.varsity.co.uk/news/15368

Oxbridge admissions dominated by top schools

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An investigation by Varsity, looking at 11 undergraduate intake cycles over the decade from 2006 to 2016, shows the huge proportion of students who come from a small number of schools.
.....
Of the top five schools for overall intake, three – Westminster School, Eton College and St Paul’s School – are UK independent schools that charge day pupils over £20,000 a year. Eton and St Paul’s are all-male, while Westminster admits female students to its sixth form. Hills Road Sixth Form College, which is adjacent to Homerton college, is ranked third, with Raffles Junior College in Singapore placing fifth despite a below-average success rate. St Paul’s Girls’ School, which ranks sixth overall, has the most strikingly high success rate among the top schools: over 50% of its pupils who applied to Oxbridge over the cycles were accepted......

[phtthp]

Wanderer1231:

But is it true that RGS’s promotion criteria is 50%? That’s a huge difference from NYGH’s 65%. Maybe RGS sets harder papers...?

This year (2019), NYGH made new changes to their Y2 to Y5 promotional criteria.

Based on RGS 50% clearance passing vs. NYGH 2019 new changes, RGS look easier to pass.

However, have you seen past years RGS IP ( Y3, Y4) Maths content exam paper ? Do u feel that RGS Maths subject Paper are tougher (more difficult), than that of NYGH Maths, meaning that for Maths subject, the standard expected in RGS, is higher ?

[phtthp]

Two questions, concerning SIP students



a)

For NYGH (independent school) pupils who had been identified by school to exit IP programme, got streamed into SIP-O-level (Structured IP) course, at the end of (Year 2 or Year 3) -
are they still paying $300+ school fees per month, or cheaper, since now studying an O-level course ?


b)

For NYGH SIP students -
after passing (clearing) GCE O-level exam, is there any special discount (privilege) of minus 2 points, if they want to go back to their Hwa Chong Junior College (A-level) ?


(above 2 questions, also apply to Hwa Chong, Y1 to Y4 IP students)

[pirate]

phtthp:

Two questions, concerning SIP students

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b)

For NYGH SIP students -
after passing (clearing) GCE O-level exam, is there any special discount (privilege) of minus 2 points, if they want to go back to their Hwa Chong Junior College (A-level) ?


(above 2 questions, also apply to Hwa Chong, Y1 to Y4 IP students)

Well, last year the JAE booklet says \"Not applicable\" under bonus points given for affiliated schools for Hwa Chong Institute.

But realistically, if one is bumped off IP, how likely to get the sort of O-level results where it even matters? Not so easy to jump from mainly fail to 6-7 A1s in 1-2 years.