CHIJ St Nicholas Girls'

[phtthp]

anyone know what was our highest T-score, for PSLE (last year 2018 and 2017) batch ? Thank you

[Kimkar]

From my girl whose classmate scored 273 before HCL bonus point, in 2017. Not sure if there is any higher.

[phtthp]

Upper primary


2019 February (P5 and P6) TA Term Assessment (Test) scope are out, under \"Announcement\", conducted after Chinese New Year.


https://chijstnicholasgirls.moe.edu.sg/primary/others/announcement


Up to 2018 P5 last year, during year-end prize award ceremony dated 15 November 2018, school still gave academic award, to Top 15 % level cohort.

But wef 2019, in line with MOE order (from the Top), no more award will be given to Top 15 % level cohort anymore, starting from this year onwards. This was mentioned inside \" P5 / P6 \" MTP (Meet the Parents) session, may refer to content of slides.


MOE had set the direction (order), to all primary and Secondary schools, from 2019 onwards.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/report-books-no-class-and-cohort-positions


Inside our Report card, from 2019 onwards, also won't disclose anymore, the mean (average) of level cohort, per subject (for English, Maths, Science, Normal Chinese, Higher Chinese)

[phtthp]

Kimkar:

From my girl whose classmate scored 273 before HCL bonus point, in 2017. Not sure if there is any higher.

Thank you very much, Kimkar, for kind info.


230, is only the affliated T-score entry, into Secondary school (O-level track).


Anyone know, what was (were) the average T-score (mean), from (2018 / 2017 / 2016) most recent past three PSLE batches cohort ? Thank you.

[Fizz]

I remembered the mean was about 235 for 2017 cohort. It was not announced for 2018 cohort during PTC.

[ChiefKiasu]

Thanks, @phtthp. When I was a kid, we were given any information we want and our parents could not be bothered finding out what is happening in school. There was an implicit trust in the school. Things have radically changed. MOE wants parents to be more engaged, and yet withhold more and more information from parents. Sigh.

[floppy]

ChiefKiasu:

Thanks, @phtthp. When I was a kid, we were given any information we want and our parents could not be bothered finding out what is happening in school. There was an implicit trust in the school. Things have radically changed. MOE wants parents to be more engaged, and yet withhold more and more information from parents. Sigh.

While the data collected may be useful for statisticians and lawmakers to formulate policies, some of these information are, quite frankly, not useful for parents besides using them for comparison and one-upmanship. How is a school's overall statistics useful and / or have any bearing on an individual child's education / learning journey?

I think parents have to bear some of the blame, unfortunately.

[phtthp]

ChiefKiasu:

Thanks, @phtthp. When I was a kid, we were given any information we want and our parents could not be bothered finding out what is happening in school. There was an implicit trust in the school. Things have radically changed. MOE wants parents to be more engaged, and yet withhold more and more information from parents. Sigh.

Once all info been removed, everything become a black box (unknown mystery).

Of all info, we, current 2019 P6 batch parents, through whatsapp chat group, shared that the mean of cohort (per subject) ought to remain, because since PSLE 2019 September is coming less than 7 months from now, round the corner, without the average mean (cohort) disclosed, how to benchmark whether our child is doing ok or not ok, within the cohort, although we know that we should be doing our personal best?
Of all info available, this average mean (cohort) is the most useful, relevant and practical, to all P6 cohort students.

However, other kind of info disclosed like

a) the Highest score, per subject, achieved by cohort, or

b) who are the Top 3 pupils per class, or

c) who are the Top 15 percent pupils, falling within the cohort level, disclosed during year-end award ceremony in November, this type of info -

There is NO need to know, hence it is perfectly all right not to disclose, be cause it will only make the students much more highly competitive, especially. those pupils coming from the Top classes.

Example

Why would you want to know what's the Highest score achieved by cohort, for each of the 4 subjects, unless you are (happen to be) those students vying to be Top in standard, for that particular unique subject, inside the cohort ? But, to the rest of many other P6 students here, this info (Highest score) is of zero relevance, no use.

Yes, within St Nick school itself, there are some (certain) very highly competitive P6 students, that like to go around, asking to see (compare) their classmates' Report card content, subject by subject, because they want to benchmark : who do better, is it they or their classmates do better, than them ? It is this type of unhealthy competition that MOE, want to do away with.

[floppy]

phtthp:

...
without the average mean (cohort) disclosed, how to benchmark whether our child is doing ok or not ok, within the cohort, although we know that we should be doing our personal best?
...

phtthp:

...
There is NO need to know, hence it is perfectly all right not to disclose, be cause it will only make the students much more highly competitive, especially. those pupils coming from the Top classes.
...

Benchmark, compare...
One-upmanship, competitive...
Different words, same meaning.

If cohort mean is 240, your score is 200, what does it mean?
If cohort mean is 200, your score is 240, what does it mean?
And if one is doing his / her best, is his / her relative performance to the others relevant?
Shouldn't it be that the only mean that matters is your own? (which you already have the answer)

P/S: I think I'm being brainwashed by the MOE already

[phtthp]

Your answer, your interpretation, is Not quite what we are looking for. You have mis understood, sorry, peace