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Think this time, HongKingers hv reacted fr pent up fears & anxieties. It’s been many many years alr. When doing my masters in Australia, my HK frds were alr showing a lot of baggage fr their parents’ communism nightmares.
One told us his uncles & aunties all pool funds to send him overseas studies so that when he graduated & get his PR, he was suppose to help them all migrate before 1997 takeover. That’s how much fear, phobia & distrust fr what I heard his mum has to knee on broken glasses when punished by communist.
There’s alr a history of HKgers ‘running’/ emigrating to Canada, Australia, England and elsewhere. They can’t and don’t want anything to do with China tho they may be getting stronger & edging to be next biggest economic power. -
Estéema\" post_id=\"1928687\" time=\"1565772049\" user_id=\"66413:
When was that?
Think this time, HongKingers hv reacted fr pent up fears & anxieties. It’s been many many years alr. When doing my masters in Australia, my HK frds were alr showing a lot of baggage fr their parents’ communism nightmares.
One told us his uncles & aunties all pool funds to send him overseas studies so that when he graduated & get his PR, he was suppose to help them all migrate before 1997 takeover. That’s how much fear, phobia & distrust fr what I heard his mum has to knee on broken glasses when punished by communist.
There’s alr a history of HKgers ‘running’/ emigrating to Canada, Australia, England and elsewhere. They can’t and don’t want anything to do with China tho they may be getting stronger & edging to be next biggest economic power.
There has been so much changes for China over the last 20 yrs. They have so much freedom...eg, coming to SG to work and taking up free scholarships from MOE.
I've seen some of the arguement put forth by the 'youths' in HK...like really shallow. Donch know who has been brainwashing them -
Who else? You’ve seen the photos taken on many websites.
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MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"1928686\" time=\"1565772033\" user_id=\"43981:
For the not-normal people, because HK is an 'esp*onage haven'. For the normal people, they have been under-informed or misled. Blame it on the usual elected democrats & student activists, and partly blame the poor public communications and poor timing on the part of HK govt in rolling out this bill in a haste.
I wonder why the 'normal' people so worry of this extradition thingy..I looked the wikipedia..mentioned on \" undermining the principle of \"one country, two systems\" and that it would take away their rights\".. why leh? there should be many countries have that kind of agreement I suppose and now China wants to have also? or HK to date don't have a single extradition law with any other countries ?
Only applicable to 37 crimes (murder, money laundering, drug-trafficking, etc.) punishable by 7 or more years jail sentence; otherwise others not covered under the proposed law. And if CE okays it, an arrest will be made, followed by court reviewing the case. No extradition for those with political reasons and/or without sufficient evidence, but as sceptics have been whispering--you never know... Appeals allowed btw in the process.
HK has extradition agreement with 20 countries, including SG, UK, US and many Commonwealth countries.pirate\" post_id=\"1928676\" time=\"1565770635\" user_id=\"66252:
Cannot. Because China, being the Mr Nice Nice, actually unilaterally sends the fellow back to Hong Kong for trial without an extradition agreement with Hong Kong. But now... maybe China might just decide to do it by the book - no agreement, no sending to Hong Kong. Then those people in Hong Kong will know...Nebbermind\" post_id=\"1928656\" time=\"1565765817\" user_id=\"15571:
Without any extradicion law in place, the PRC can kill someone and then run back to mainland and nobody can do anything about it.
*Just thinking out loud*
That is correct pirate. Since 97, over 250 suspects have been sent to HK by Motherland. -
the haste is coz the alleged murderer will be released as early as October
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/15/world/asia/hong-kong-murder-taiwan-extradition.html.
But the govt was somehow, IMHO, rather naive and underestimated the reaction, and the opportunity for the Opposition & Anti-communist to stir sh!t. -
.zeit\" post_id=\"1929284\" time=\"1565926451\" user_id=\"171271:
For the not-normal people, because HK is an 'esp*onage haven'. For the normal people, they have been under-informed or misled. Blame it on the usual elected democrats & student activists, and partly blame the poor public communications and poor timing on the part of HK govt in rolling out this bill in a haste.MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"1928686\" time=\"1565772033\" user_id=\"43981:
I wonder why the 'normal' people so worry of this extradition thingy..I looked the wikipedia..mentioned on \" undermining the principle of \"one country, two systems\" and that it would take away their rights\".. why leh? there should be many countries have that kind of agreement I suppose and now China wants to have also? or HK to date don't have a single extradition law with any other countries ?
Only applicable to 37 crimes (murder, money laundering, drug-trafficking, etc.) punishable by 7 or more years jail sentence; otherwise others not covered under the proposed law. And if CE okays it, an arrest will be made, followed by court reviewing the case. No extradition for those with political reasons and/or without sufficient evidence, but as sceptics have been whispering--you never know... Appeals allowed btw in the process.
HK has extradition agreement with 20 countries, including SG, UK, US and many Commonwealth countries.pirate\" post_id=\"1928676\" time=\"1565770635\" user_id=\"66252:
Cannot. Because China, being the Mr Nice Nice, actually unilaterally sends the fellow back to Hong Kong for trial without an extradition agreement with Hong Kong. But now... maybe China might just decide to do it by the book - no agreement, no sending to Hong Kong. Then those people in Hong Kong will know...[quote=Nebbermind post_id=1928656 time=1565765817 user_id=15571]Without any extradicion law in place, the PRC can kill someone and then run back to mainland and nobody can do anything about it.
*Just thinking out loud*
That is correct pirate. Since 97, over 250 suspects have been sent to HK by Motherland.[/quote]yalor, see so many people to me looks like normal ppl...like as though cheat 10mins in parking fear extradition like that :razz: or there are much worries that we(I) dont know..see from pics some bringing small kids along
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Hubby was in HK yesterday. Lots of people wearing black tees at Central station in the evening presumably heading towards Victoria Park. Today he still managed to enjoy some dim sum and some australia dairy company makan. ADC still crowded. Life seems back to normal. Wouldn’t have known there had been so many demonstrations if it weren’t for the news and online livestreams. Perhaps protestors tired out from yesterday? Relatives there also haven’t called us in Sg for help on any issue. So surreal.
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There're actually timetables of approved permits and venues circulating on WA/Telegram/FB/Twitter. I was sent a timetable as advance as 1-2 weeks before the rallies occurred. Rallies usually start on Fri thru Sun, except for industrial strikes which could happen from Mon-Thurs. Local commuters, tourists and business travellers should know which areas to avoid. So far, our next of kin and friends living there said they weren't affected by the protests. I've met up with 4 separate HK families who were back here for short summer hols. All of them said their areas were ok. My relatives from the 'triad' region shrugged off the crazy fights when they visited us in July.
One of my SG friends told us his 2 teenage children (HK PRs now) have been brainwashed by the radicals and gone against his wishes to join in the weekly protests. I now suspect school teachers have something to do with that. Glad that MOE has suspended the exchange programs of our 3 unis.
https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/nus-ntu-and-smu-pull-plug-student-exchange-programmes-hong-kong
Given that school teachers, parents and civil servants have 'fallen' on the side of the pro-suffrage camp, I think HK is a goner. This generation of youth (15-35) and their offspring will grow up to protest until 2047. National education reforms by the HK govt have not been successful.
I suppose China can remove the gangrene anytime, as she has already learnt the capitalist ropes over the last 22-40 years from HK. China will instead give the 'experiment zone', Shenzhen, a bigger boost and transform her into the new Pearl River Delta ICT-Financial Hub to replace HK. We can already tell that from the recent propaganda videos. -
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