DSA 2019
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This also means MOE knows the number of school your child applies to. Maybe also the number of CO or WL? -
sweetbaby:
Wonder if the schools also know how many the student applied to.Following.
This also means MOE knows the number of school your child applies to. Maybe also the number of CO or WL? -
sweetbaby:
not just MOE know, but other schools which you apply for DSA, will also know.Following.
This also means MOE knows the number of school your child applies to. Maybe also the number of CO or WL?
example
if you apply DSA for three IP schools (RGS, NYGH, Dunman High) : -Principals from all these 3 schools will know what application you have made to other competitors' IP schools, since application database is centralized now, info readily available, at the click of a button.
That means, eg :
during 2019 DSA interview, if you attend NYGH interview, and Principal were to test your integrity, test how honest you are, by asking you, \"Which other Secondary schools did you also apply for DSA, besides our school ?\" you cannot tell lie, because Principal already know the answer (before you even answer the Principal)
And later on, when schools were to offer you CO / WL / rejection outcome :
Principals of the DSA schools which you had applied for, will also know your outcome, from the other competitors' DSA schools.
outcome of DSA application include
CO : Confirmed Offer
WL : Wait list, whereby applicants are ranked inside the WL, one by one. In the event those offered CO decline the offer, then applicants will get their chance, based on this ranking.
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Private,titank:
I notice Nan Hua High Sch DSA criteria which expect 75% for EMS except for Chinese in their DSA application. This mean NHH is trying to take in high caliber students?
I am referring to TOP TIER schools only - RGS/RI/NYGH/HCI/NUSH/NJC. Nan Hua is top tier meh? Who would want DSA to this kind of school? It’s such a waste of time.Maybe Nan Chiau is a better choice for such caliber students.
i refer to your comments, found in \" 2018 DSA \" thread.
actually, there are 2 group of parents (students), out here ! One group : definitely aiming / targeting for IP schools, perhaps the GEP parents (& pupils), because their (P4 to P6) past 3 years of GEP training will ease them, into IP schools, lower Secondary 1 and 2. To enter IP Secondary schools, is a natural progression for GEP primary school students. Plus perhaps the Top Mainstream P5 students from various primary schools : may also target IP schools.
Another group : prefer the safer, O level route, because somehow they feel that the traditional O level route, fit (suit) their children's studying style better, in the 4 important growing up-puberty teenage (prone to rebellion)Secondary school years. Perhaps, parents have observed how their children been studying for past 5 years, from (2014 P1) up to current (2018 P5), and being honest and true to themselves, feel that their kids are better off, going back to O-level Secondary schools, come 2020 Secondary 1.
To share with you, one of my friend's P6 daughter this year (2018) : she is amongst the top 10 in her 2018 P6 cohort, at one of the GEP schools, located along Bukit Timah belt. However, she is targeting not at any IP school, but at Nan Hua High : because her parents love this school (her parents had previously studied at Nan Hua High, before), inspite of the fact that their daughter represented her GEP school, in Science Olympaid, this year, can easily DSA into IP school, if she choose to. This child : is very strong, in Science and English, at the GEP school. So, different parents (& children) : different stroke !
Moreover, if you check MOE website, you can find a very long-list of several Non-IP Secondary schools, that offer very good and interesting niche Science oriented STEM (Science / Technology / Engineering / Mathematics) programme, via DSA application -
https://www.moe.gov.sg/admissions/direct-admissions/dsa-sec/stem
example (via DSA)
Compassvale Secondary : offer Aeronautics niche programme
Northbrooks Secondary : offer Aerospace niche
Fuhua Secondary : offer Forensic Science niche
Bartley Secondary : offer Fragrance Chemical & Applied Science niche
(Bukit View, Commonwealth, Marsiling, Queensway) Secondary : offer Environmental Science niche
(Ngee Ann, Yio Chu Kang, Clementi Town) Secondary : offer Programming (Coding) niche
(Bukit View, Kent Ridge) Secondary : offer Computational skills niche
Dunearn Secondary : offer Food Science & Technology niche
Ping Yi Secondary : offer Design & Aeronautical Engineering niche
Presbyterian High : offer Pharmacy & Forensic Science niche
Bendemeer Secondary : offer Health Science niche
Woodgrove Secondary : offer Material Science niche
Yio Chu Kang Secondary : offer Mechatronics, Aeronautics & Robotics niche
(Admiralty, Anderson, Commonwealth, Chua Chu Kang, Fu Chun, Hai Sing Catholic, Maris Stella High, Pei Hwa Presbyterian, Regent, St Andrew, SCGS, Yishun Town ) Secondary : offer Robotics niche
Changkat Changi Secondary : offer STEM - Applied Learning in Aerospace and Aviation niche
Tampines Secondary : offer Creative Engineering and Modelling niche
(Jurongville, Yusof Ishak) Secondary : offer Science, Technology and Environmental Learning niche
plus a lot of many, more other very good niche programme, inside above long list of Non-IP Secondary schools
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Phtthp,
You're ever so dependable - sharing & giving good advices, backed up by historical facts & figures & anecdotals.
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Phtthp :udawoman:
Exactly. You have echoed my thoughts so well. DSA is not about prestige schools. DSA is not about what parents wants.
It is about the environment and passion that the kids want to explore.
Today's education is more than just paper smartness or exam smartness. It is more than that. The opportunity to explore outside the standard academic curriculum. Prepare our children to globalization. -
phtthp:
Private,private:
[quote=\"titank\"]I notice Nan Hua High Sch DSA criteria which expect 75% for EMS except for Chinese in their DSA application. This mean NHH is trying to take in high caliber students?
I am referring to TOP TIER schools only - RGS/RI/NYGH/HCI/NUSH/NJC. Nan Hua is top tier meh? Who would want DSA to this kind of school? It’s such a waste of time.Maybe Nan Chiau is a better choice for such caliber students.
i refer to your comments, found in \" 2018 DSA \" thread.
actually, there are 2 group of parents (students), out here ! One group : definitely aiming / targeting for IP schools, perhaps the GEP parents (& pupils), because their (P4 to P6) past 3 years of GEP training will ease them, into IP schools, lower Secondary 1 and 2. To enter IP Secondary schools, is a natural progression for GEP primary school students. Plus perhaps the Top Mainstream P5 students from various primary schools : may also target IP schools.
Another group : prefer the safer, O level route, because somehow they feel that the traditional O level route, fit (suit) their children's studying style better, in the 4 important growing up-puberty teenage (prone to rebellion)Secondary school years. Perhaps, parents have observed how their children been studying for past 5 years, from (2014 P1) up to current (2018 P5), and being honest and true to themselves, feel that their kids are better off, going back to O-level Secondary schools, come 2020 Secondary 1.
To share with you, one of my friend's P6 daughter this year (2018) : she is amongst the top 10 in her 2018 P6 cohort, at one of the GEP schools, located along Bukit Timah belt. However, she is targeting not at any IP school, but at Nan Hua High : because her parents love this school (her parents had previously studied at Nan Hua High, before), inspite of the fact that their daughter represented her GEP school, in Science Olympaid, this year, can easily DSA into IP school, if she choose to. This child : is very strong, in Science and English, at the GEP school. So, different parents (& children) : different stroke !
Moreover, if you check MOE website, you can find a very long-list of several Non-IP Secondary schools, that offer very good and interesting niche Science oriented STEM (Science / Technology / Engineering / Mathematics) programme, via DSA application -
https://www.moe.gov.sg/admissions/direct-admissions/dsa-sec/stem
example (via DSA)
Compassvale Secondary : offer Aeronautics niche programme
Northbrooks Secondary : offer Aerospace niche
Fuhua Secondary : offer Forensic Science niche
Bartley Secondary : offer Fragrance Chemical & Applied Science niche
(Bukit View, Commonwealth, Marsiling, Queensway) Secondary : offer Environmental Science niche
(Ngee Ann, Yio Chu Kang, Clementi Town) Secondary : offer Programming (Coding) niche
(Bukit View, Kent Ridge) Secondary : offer Computational skills niche
Dunearn Secondary : offer Food Science & Technology niche
Ping Yi Secondary : offer Design & Aeronautical Engineering niche
Presbyterian High : offer Pharmacy & Forensic Science niche
Bendemeer Secondary : offer Health Science niche
Woodgrove Secondary : offer Material Science niche
Yio Chu Kang Secondary : offer Mechatronics, Aeronautics & Robotics niche
(Admiralty, Anderson, Commonwealth, Chua Chu Kang, Fu Chun, Hai Sing Catholic, Maris Stella High, Pei Hwa Presbyterian, Regent, St Andrew, SCGS, Yishun Town ) Secondary : offer Robotics niche
Changkat Changi Secondary : offer STEM - Applied Learning in Aerospace and Aviation niche
Tampines Secondary : offer Creative Engineering and Modelling niche
(Jurongville, Yusof Ishak) Secondary : offer Science, Technology and Environmental Learning niche
plus a lot of many, more other very good niche programme, inside above long list of Non-IP Secondary schools
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Hi zac’s mum,
You have a P5 kiddo too?
Actually a few of my friends brought up this discussion a few months ago. And some of us wonder if:
For this new DSA 2019 system, does it mean MOE has the ‘system administrator’ rights? How do we know if all schools really get to view all its applications? Is this becoming a ‘test system’ for the new AL system where students have to go through ballot for the popular secondary school if there are too many perfect psle AL scores? Will MOE do a first cut review and ‘allocate and spread out’ the applications to different schools since ‘every school is a good school’ and the number of DSA vacancy is roughly 35% of school cohort in recent years? :siam: -
FantasyLandDreams:
Lol no my one and only kiddo is still in P2! But I admit I am super kiasu & worried about his grades (kinda mediocre no matter how much we try), and therefore doing early research on DSA because I think he will need it haizzzzz.Hi zac’s mum,
You have a P5 kiddo too?
Actually a few of my friends brought up this discussion a few months ago. And some of us wonder if:
For this new DSA 2019 system, does it mean MOE has the ‘system administrator’ rights? How do we know if all schools really get to view all its applications? Is this becoming a ‘test system’ for the new AL system where students have to go through ballot for the popular secondary school if there are too many perfect psle AL scores? Will MOE do a first cut review and ‘allocate and spread out’ the applications to different schools since ‘every school is a good school’ and the number of DSA vacancy is roughly 35% of school cohort in recent years? :siam: -
It’s anybody’s guess how the new DSA 2019 system is going to be like. Hopefully we get some official details soon. But MOE is unlikely to release any details until after this DSA 2018 batch is done, which means a few more months’ time.
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FantasyLandDreams:
What FantasylandDreams had asked, is an important question, impacting children born 2007, because we are the pioneer batch where MOE start making new changes. It won't affect 2018 DSA (born 2006) batch. Also, partly because ours is the 2nd last batch under T-score system, before AL arrive.Hi zac’s mum,
You have a P5 kiddo too?
Actually a few of my friends brought up this discussion a few months ago. And some of us wonder if:
For this new DSA 2019 system, does it mean MOE has the ‘system administrator’ rights? How do we know if all schools really get to view all its applications? Is this becoming a ‘test system’ for the new AL system where students have to go through ballot for the popular secondary school if there are too many perfect psle AL scores?
Will MOE do a first cut review and ‘allocate and spread out’ the applications to different schools since ‘every school is a good school’ and the number of DSA vacancy is roughly 35% of school cohort in recent years? :siam:
Let's go back to an example of say, a 2019 P6 student (next year) going to apply for 3 IP schols : (RI, Hwa Chong, Dunman High).
If MOE's goal is to distribute more students into other IP schools, besides the usual popular (R* and H) * family, will MOE intercept / intervene / allocate the spread of IP candidates first, upon receiving centralized, computerised pool of DSA application forms, submitted by students ?
Say, in this case, if MOE were to route or stream-line the DSA applicant into Dunman High database for processing FIRST (before RI & Hwa Chong) and suppose after interview and clearing certain tests, Dunman High decide to offer CO (Confirmed Offer) to this applicant, that means case closed ? This candidate will no longer be considered by RI nor by Hwa Chong anymore, since Dunman High had already offered CO, since MOE had intercepted the sequence of DSA processing.
However, if Dunman High were to reject this applicant, then next step is MOE to route his application to either RI or to Hwa Chong, for DSA processing next, to let the other 2 schools have a chance to consider. However, Principal of both (RI and Hwa Chong) will be able to read and assess the comments written by Principal of Dunman High, as to why is this candidate, has been rejected, because the centralized database is open for school Principal(s), to assess applicants. Is this how is going to work, come July 2019, behind the background (silently) ?
However, in the (parents and P6 candidate) mind : Dunman High is actually 3rd choice. RI and Hwa Chong are their son's first 2 choices. -
I don’t think MOE intention to distribute the students evenly to other schools. I rather see it as the school is able to see if the students are truly genuine in the DSA of their choice when given the CO. I have heard horror story from teachers or coaches that they have to scramble to look for the next candidates fast especially when the confirmed offer student went to another school. Mess up the school planning as well. Some schools are equally competitive to select the pool of students they already have in mind.
So I think it is a good move. Transparent to all. -
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Maybe MOE, as the employer, is taking over control so that the schools will be more transparent about how they rank & select the applicants?
Just like how nowadays P1 registration goes into a central database (based on the child’s BC number)? Unlike the olden days where MOE has zero idea who applied where & the schools had the free reign to accept donations or family connections for P1 entry?
So maybe now the schools will be forced to disclose their audition/trial checklist to MOE, minimum what certs/qualifications required, etc, to justify giving the CO/WL to so-and-so. -
Just to share… It is not so straight forward in terms of “ranking” kids in sports/performing arts etc
Let me share what I have seen. Child A very good in sports but attitude sucks big time. Every year before DSA, coaches already “mark” which student they already have in mind. But they don’t just look at the “how good you are” . They are also looking out for other attributes - well behaved no trouble maker students.
Child B very talented in performing arts but the mother is a pain in the ass kind. Very difficult to deal with this mother. Kick up with many nonsense during competiton. Very drama. Became famous. Some school wants the kid but have a second thought. -
Then maybe the schools can include “good attitude”, “emotional intelligence”, “adversity quotient”, “people skills” etc etc on their checklist?
These are the stuff that HR interviewers look out for in the real world anyway, not just paper qualifications. -
Following. My kid is p5 this year.
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zac's mum:
I am sure they take that into consideration. And they are also aware of the attitudes/ problematic parents issue. But I dont think all these will be on any \"checklists\". It will probably be graded under a generic \"Others\" category or only verbal among the teachers-in-charge.Then maybe the schools can include “good attitude”, “emotional intelligence”, “adversity quotient”, “people skills” etc etc on their checklist?
These are the stuff that HR interviewers look out for in the real world anyway, not just paper qualifications.
Otherwise, how to tell the parents \"we didnt shortlist your child because you super problematic\" ?