2019 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2007)
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phtthp\" post_id=\"1938661\" time=\"1569834669\" user_id=\"35251:
Very curious. How do parents gauged the questions set are Math Olympaid questions? Where to see the questions?
Actually for 2019 Maths, those heavy 4 marks or 5 marks questions towards the end of Paper 2, are more \"Maths olympaid\" and Heuristics type of questions set, to differentiate P6 students from getting an A vs. A *jj_1808\" post_id=\"1938647\" time=\"1569831639\" user_id=\"31403:
Sharing a letter from a mum to Minister Ong on the PSLE paper this year.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157494188889477&id=535164476
On one hand, someone bound to comment that
\"Ya lah, is like that wan mah, every year without fail, SEAB sure got to set a few tough questions !\". One forummer ever indicated this kind of meaning before, if check backwards.
However, on the other hand, in Mainstream schools (Non gep) -
Those P6 students who never attend any \"MO\" training before will lose out, because they have never received MO training before. MO is offered for upper primary P5 and P6 students, for full solid 2 years in primary schools. In some schools. Some kiasu schools even received (started) MO training earlier at P4, means in Total, 3 years.
Is it any wonder then, that these students will sail (breeze) through this year 2019 Maths, while those who never attend any MO at all, struggled ?
After all, those of us know that those worksheets from \"My Pals are Here \" are kind of useless, because none of these, ever prepare students to solve MO questions.
The logical question then we need to ask SEAB is,
Isn't it unfair to set those 4 and 5 marks \"MO\" questions, when NOT all P6 Mainstream students have the same, equal fair chance to receive \"in-house\" MO training, because so far, who get to receive free MO training in schools ? They are
A)
- GEP students, because the MO Maths questions are built in, designed already into the GEP (P4 to P6 ) curriculum,
And
B)
- those \"High ability\" Mainstream students, who were selected by their respective primary schools at either end of P3, or P4, to attend \"High ability\" MO free training lessons, in schools
Those P6 Mainstream students, who never receive any chance (opportunity) to smell nor experienced free \"MO\" training, everyday just keep practising those ordinary, not helpful \"My Pals are Here\" series, or keep practising tonnes and mountain high piked up stack and stack of past year papers, is it any wonder then that they are shocked, stoned, taken aback, stunned by these \"MO\" 4 / 5 heavy marks set inside Paper 2 this year, and cried (depressed ) ?
So, question is, why did SEAB
set heavy 4 / 5 marks Paper 2 questions, knowing that only a subset of P6 students had received this privileged, coveted free MO training in school, while Majority of P6 students did not receive ?
Isn't this very unfair, right from beginning ?
I mean, if want to test funny tough questions, make it fair -
That ALL p6 students, from beginning of P5 Term 1, regardless of whether you from Gep or from Non Gep, from high ability or from Non high ability Maths class students, All ought to have received free MO training, then Yes, test them all, because everyone stand on fair, EQUAL fighting battle ground, because everyone had been taught MO concepts. Then only is this considered fair and square !!!
Another key, important point -
If you want to help someone who is in need of help, who do u think u should extend a hand out, to help ?
Help those High ability students, who can already manage well on their own, through attending expensive, high end tuition in Maths paid by their parents, since they are doing so well in Maths ?
Or
Help those poor, weaker students, who need further help and greater support, in overcoming their fear of Maths ?
Answer -
Should be helping those weak students, helping those Non-high ability students, to overcome jump over the hurdle, help them strengthen their Maths
The 3 questions mentioned by that parent in her FB post to OYK are not unusual questions. I spoke to some friends whose kids took PSLE the last few years and they all said such questions have appeared in the past, year after year.
So such questions should not be new to students who practised tons of past year papers.
Say 40k kids sat for PSLE this year. How do parents get an assessment of how much tougher this year's paper was compared to last year?!
Based on how many kids' verdicts? Was there a survey done already? -
TGP666\" post_id=\"1938740\" time=\"1569848060\" user_id=\"181285:
Idk the answer is flexible(My school prelim paper)[/quote]The main purpose of the helmet is to protect the head during an impact. To achieve this, it must have a certain degree of flexibility in order to absorb the shock. The helmet comprises many layers, and the internal construction is often made of foam to achieve this function. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet
Please listen to yourself. How can a bicycle helmet be flexible 😂Nethan Nerella\" post_id=\"1938735\" time=\"1569847094\" user_id=\"178724:[quote=\"Nethan Nerella\" post_id=1938735 time=1569847094 user_id=178724]
Wrong. No. 1 is correct -
Manorway,
Is your child P6 this year
Or
Not P6 this year
Or going to be P6 one day, trying to glean info from 2019 p6 parents ?
Or had sat for Psle before, many moon back ?
From the way u pose qn, can tell that u are not 2019 p6 parent. Even if u claim to be one, nah, don’t believe, because in the manner u asked, u have given yourself away -
phtthp\" post_id=\"1938764\" time=\"1569857915\" user_id=\"35251:
Gee!!! Did I claim to be parent of a p6 kid?
Manorway,
Is your child P6 this year
Or
Not P6 this year
Or going to be P6 one day, trying to glean info from 2019 p6 parents ?
Or had sat for Psle before, many moon back ?
From the way u pose qn, can tell that u are not 2019 p6 parent. Even if u claim to be one, nah, don't believe, because in the manner u asked, u have given yourself away
You used to be one of those whom I have always thought to be very helpful and knowledgeable parents of this forum. Lately you have really been way too aggressive.
I stated on first line of the earlier post, I was very curious. This is a forum for discussion, as you have stated repeatedly in your aggressive replies to many others lately, so I was curious and I asked questions.
Cannot meh?!!
If you don’t feel like answering, don’t. -
You are right, don’t feel like answering. Sorry
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phtthp\" post_id=\"1938771\" time=\"1569859376\" user_id=\"35251:
I am only interested in rational replies anyway.
You are right, don't feel like answering. Sorry -
It’s been a long journey to psle for all of us. We had our frustration , our kids may have had their tiredness and perhaps anger even.
We have walked through 4 tests and exams in 9’months as we had Mar CAs still. 9 months of test , phew, exams , phew, so on.At one point you become numb.
Some of us might have felt shortchanged when instruction in our schools have not been exhaustive. There is after all so much to grapple with in Math towards the end of P6 when harder topics came in. Which method to use was also an issue when a child learnt all.
Looking at textbook is not ideal as for eg, patterns are not in it
Naturally all of us have been tested.
Who wants to come to the end of the journey to find out that instruction could be better in one area rather than instruction was given but somehow the question was hard to do …
Empathy for one another is the best we can do after exams … -
manorway\" post_id=\"1938762\" time=\"1569855319\" user_id=\"9303:
Very curious. How do parents gauged the questions set are Math Olympaid questions? Where to see the questions?
Actually for 2019 Maths, those heavy 4 marks or 5 marks questions towards the end of Paper 2, are more \"Maths olympaid\" and Heuristics type of questions set, to differentiate P6 students from getting an A vs. A *phtthp\" post_id=\"1938661\" time=\"1569834669\" user_id=\"35251:
[quote=jj_1808 post_id=1938647 time=1569831639 user_id=31403]Sharing a letter from a mum to Minister Ong on the PSLE paper this year.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157494188889477&id=535164476
On one hand, someone bound to comment that
\"Ya lah, is like that wan mah, every year without fail, SEAB sure got to set a few tough questions !\". One forummer ever indicated this kind of meaning before, if check backwards.
However, on the other hand, in Mainstream schools (Non gep) -
Those P6 students who never attend any \"MO\" training before will lose out, because they have never received MO training before. MO is offered for upper primary P5 and P6 students, for full solid 2 years in primary schools. In some schools. Some kiasu schools even received (started) MO training earlier at P4, means in Total, 3 years.
Is it any wonder then, that these students will sail (breeze) through this year 2019 Maths, while those who never attend any MO at all, struggled ?
After all, those of us know that those worksheets from \"My Pals are Here \" are kind of useless, because none of these, ever prepare students to solve MO questions.
The logical question then we need to ask SEAB is,
Isn't it unfair to set those 4 and 5 marks \"MO\" questions, when NOT all P6 Mainstream students have the same, equal fair chance to receive \"in-house\" MO training, because so far, who get to receive free MO training in schools ? They are
A)
- GEP students, because the MO Maths questions are built in, designed already into the GEP (P4 to P6 ) curriculum,
And
B)
- those \"High ability\" Mainstream students, who were selected by their respective primary schools at either end of P3, or P4, to attend \"High ability\" MO free training lessons, in schools
Those P6 Mainstream students, who never receive any chance (opportunity) to smell nor experienced free \"MO\" training, everyday just keep practising those ordinary, not helpful \"My Pals are Here\" series, or keep practising tonnes and mountain high piked up stack and stack of past year papers, is it any wonder then that they are shocked, stoned, taken aback, stunned by these \"MO\" 4 / 5 heavy marks set inside Paper 2 this year, and cried (depressed ) ?
So, question is, why did SEAB
set heavy 4 / 5 marks Paper 2 questions, knowing that only a subset of P6 students had received this privileged, coveted free MO training in school, while Majority of P6 students did not receive ?
Isn't this very unfair, right from beginning ?
I mean, if want to test funny tough questions, make it fair -
That ALL p6 students, from beginning of P5 Term 1, regardless of whether you from Gep or from Non Gep, from high ability or from Non high ability Maths class students, All ought to have received free MO training, then Yes, test them all, because everyone stand on fair, EQUAL fighting battle ground, because everyone had been taught MO concepts. Then only is this considered fair and square !!!
Another key, important point -
If you want to help someone who is in need of help, who do u think u should extend a hand out, to help ?
Help those High ability students, who can already manage well on their own, through attending expensive, high end tuition in Maths paid by their parents, since they are doing so well in Maths ?
Or
Help those poor, weaker students, who need further help and greater support, in overcoming their fear of Maths ?
Answer -
Should be helping those weak students, helping those Non-high ability students, to overcome jump over the hurdle, help them strengthen their Maths
The 3 questions mentioned by that parent in her FB post to OYK are not unusual questions. I spoke to some friends whose kids took PSLE the last few years and they all said such questions have appeared in the past, year after year.
So such questions should not be new to students who practised tons of past year papers.
Say 40k kids sat for PSLE this year. How do parents get an assessment of how much tougher this year's paper was compared to last year?!
Based on how many kids' verdicts? Was there a survey done already?[/quote]If parents had experience from past PSLE, their expectations would be better managed. Difficult questions were many more in the past than now provided that the 3 questions circulating in social media are indeed the only more challenging ones this year. -
phtthp\" post_id=\"1938752\" time=\"1569850432\" user_id=\"35251:
Just to clarify some things:
Sembgal,sembgal\" post_id=\"1938696\" time=\"1569842666\" user_id=\"5559:
Some primary schools offer Maths Olympiad training to the high-ability students as early as Primary 2 or 3. When these children reach upper primary, they will be sent for MO competitions. Students with MO competition experience will be used to challenging MO Maths questions and able to breeze through in PSLE Maths.
In my opinion, MOE is not at liberty to share what SEAB will test the pupils but MO questions are nothing strange to MO kids and the purpose why such a difficult exam is set could be to test the determination and resilence of the pupils. Don’t get defeated at one exam. There is so much more in life which one has no control over so why ponder about things beyond our control and instead let the bell curve moderate the T-score. Have an early rest everyone.
How did you help your daughter to prepare for PSLE Chinese Paper 2 today (Monday, 30 Sep) ?
What is your guide-line, for her ?
I am sure you looked at \"P6 Moe Chinese syllabus, Chapter 1 to the last chapter, tested \"
+ (plus)
The same, for P5 Chinese syllabus
+ (plus)
The same, for P4 Chinese syllabus, right ?
Likewise, for Maths subject, how did P6 students prepare for psle Maths ?
Same way, as for Chinese !
Students looked at P6 Moe Maths content syllabus, realized that \"Oh ! Ok, we need to learn\" below topics, because they are going to come out for exam :
- algebra
- speed
- geometry
- measurement
- volume
- area of triangle, area of circle,
- fractions
- whole number
etc
+ (plus)
must also covered P6 concepts, like
- Unit Transfer method,
- Assumption method,
- External Transfer method,
- Internal Transfer / Unchanged Total method,
- etc.
That's all !
That's how 2019 Moe Maths syllabus was defined to all P6 students, right from the very beginning January Term 1 week 1, what was the coverage, scope of the entire Moe P6 syllabus
So, did MOE indicate anywhere to us way beforehand that
\"Maths Olympaid\" topics, are to be included, as well ? Therefore, parents must ensure help to prepare their P6 students, this part (portion) as well
Never !
Where got say, Maths Olympics included, as part of P6 syllabus as well ? Therefore, u must also know!
So, is it any wonder then, that when they sat for Maths last Friday, many were taken aback, by these 4m / 5m MO questions and they cried ?
Of course !!!
Why ?
Because never been told, not been informed, that MO also formed part of P6 examinable Psle syllabus.
So, who are those that smiled ?
Those who are lucky enough, fortunate to have been identified by their own respective school, to attend free MO training !
Before one talk about \"resilence\", we ought to ask ourselves first : is it fair, or unfair, to set questions on something, that P6 students dont even know that MO is going to be part of the examinable Psle scope ?
Settle this qn \"fairness\" first, before lecture us on \"resilence\". Yes, we can deal with resilence later on, as step #2, provided in step#1, everyone is standing on EQUAL fair footing, that we all know, MO is coming out and All habe undergone free training
Firstly, to be honest, it is not the first time this pattern type of question came out for maths PSLE (I'm referring to the triangular shape pattern question). I saw many of such questions in the papers for many of the top school. So if you have done enough papers, you would have expected this type of question to come out and practice it ahead of PSLE.
On the difficulty of the papers, I think that's how MOE sets the A* apart from the A. So there is bound to be some tougher questions. So cannot complain that \"why MOE sets such difficult papers\".
Secondly, in most, if not all mainstream schools, MO is not incorporated in the day-to-day lessons. For some schools however, it is offered as part of enrichment, and offered to the entire cohort. It is conducted by external vendors and any interested students who pays for it (albeit at a subsidized fee) will have the opportunity to attend the MO lessons.
Some schools however, it is offered for free to selected higher ability students. -
hazeline\" post_id=\"1938779\" time=\"1569864233\" user_id=\"18065:
How did “this is a MO question” thing come about
Just to clarify some things:
Firstly, to be honest, it is not the first time this pattern type of question came out for maths PSLE (I'm referring to the triangular shape pattern question). I saw many of such questions in the papers for many of the top school. So if you have done enough papers, you would have expected this type of question to come out and practice it ahead of PSLE.
On the difficulty of the papers, I think that's how MOE sets the A* apart from the A. So there is bound to be some tougher questions. So cannot complain that \"why MOE sets such difficult papers\".
Secondly, in most, if not all mainstream schools, MO is not incorporated in the day-to-day lessons. For some schools however, it is offered as part of enrichment, and offered to the entire cohort. It is conducted by external vendors and any interested students who pays for it (albeit at a subsidized fee) will have the opportunity to attend the MO lessons.
Some schools however, it is offered for free to selected higher ability students.
Was speaking to a couple of P6 parents (actually, it was a group chat that I happen to be in). Everyone agreed that there are some challenging questions but by and large, the difficult of the paper was within expectations. I asked whether some questions look liked MO questions but general consensus is as you said, nothing unusual. Had seen it and had done it before (didn’t probe whether it was done in school or elsewhere). Most parents are more worried / concerned about Tuesday and Wednesday paper.
P/S: These are parents of children from a non-GEP, non-MO participating, no MO training provided in class, MO training at your own expense (and anyone who’s willing to pay can participate) type of school.
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